hmmm why isnt THR represented here:

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or are some of you there already

Me being new to BB boards have recently found where the anti's hang out and spout there lies; that are to be repeated through out the world wide web and beyond.

For now I 'm just lurking and getting a feel of the place but have noticed very very few post refuting their anti gun stance.:confused:

Now I come here (THR) and lurk around the legal and political areas, sometimes the roundtable even.....and being the old hunt and peck typist I rarley post as my point is usally made by someone else way before I get the first sentence done:D

It seems that THR has a lot of inner bichery (sp :confused: ) going on such as the LEO vs LEo bashing etc... but 99.99% of the post that I have seen are progun.........(with a few who take the old "its okay to ban AW's but leave my shotgun alone")

Now all that being said here is where I'm a little lost.....THR is basically a progun debate site that is mainly used to pass information on because of a real lack of hmmmm.... what word..... I'll go with "intelligent debate" for lack of a better term.

THR has no die hard, got facts, anti's that Ive seen or heard.

Now we all know that noone but GOD himself will change a true anti. All the post on here are meant for the fennce sitting lurker to help guide his perception of things to the posters way of lookin at things.

Me personally I could give a hoot less about facts and figures, be they progun or anti gun.

My belief is that I have the right to own whatever I deem nessecary for me and mine. That right being unquestionable to a freeperson.

Now these facts and figgures are nesseccary for the support of the fencesitter who we all know is who makes or breaks gun control leg.

Damn getting blister on my typing finger :D

Now for why I posted in first place...

how come I see very few of the THR debators (ones who actually have the facts and figgers to disprove the anti'...unlike me who know a lot of them but has got into the debate a little late to have a real good collection with any kind of organizeation)

lurking at the above forementioned site I see very few pro gun postings with any facts to them.......

Should a place such as this be where THR members frequent to refutr their propaganda?
Or have some tried, as I'm going to occasionnally do ,:banghead: and been thrown out on their keyboard?:what:

Well Ill shut up now and see where this and that takes me :p



jon
 
I can only speak for myself...

but I do lurk on a few 'Liberal' boards, primarily DU.com though a few others are on the list. I don't post often because quite frankly, I view talking to those people online is akin to trying to teach a pig to sign. It only serves to fustrates me and annoy the pig. I'd rather debate & bicker with similar-minded (though not always like-minded) people about issues I'm not quite sure of myself. Ownership/use/bearing arms is just a given to me and my world view. Its like gravity, its just a fundimental constant in the Universe. Those who hold otherwise are to me in the same camp as those who would rage against the ocean, expecting the tides to not come in. :rolleyes: Some people you just can't reach.

Additionally, my time in the day is finite and I do not have the ability to alter the flow of time to suit my whims (yet). Freinds, family, pets, hobbies (numurous and varied), appriciation of reality and work all have their demands. Hmmmm...'course, it I thought faster, I could get more done. When do those biochips come online? :D I talk and agrue with the anti's and fence sitters in reality about guns, so online I wanna chill for the most part on the topic
 
Let me try an analogy.

Say you have a gallon of high-grade, highly refined oil; the finest oil from the finest crude on earth, sparkling golden in the sunshine and free of impurities. That would be THR. :D

Now take a gallon of dirty water, mix in a couple packages of grape Koolaid in a dirty pail, stir it up and leave it in the sun to attract bugs. That would be your common liberal anti at DU or the forum you mentioned.

Next day, mix the two pails together. That's what most discussions between the high-minded folks at THR and those "others" quickly become.

OK, I admit to a slight prejudice. ;)

TC
TFL Survivor
 
Hey Leatherneck, I drank some of that stuff over in the gulf a few years back. Thanks for the memories.
 
I have a thousand posts over a couple year period on another message board where I spent the vast majority of my time arguing with antis and gun-grabbers. I grew weary of it. It wears you down, and there are always more of them waiting in the wings after you drive the current ones off with logic and truth.

I decided it just wasn't worth my time. You will never, ever get one of those people to change, no matter how ruthlessly you demonstrate their logical disconnects.
 
There are a couple from this forum over there.

I lurk but don't post on that particular board.

I have been following some interesting debates. Some anti gunners have actually been shouted into submission recently.
 
Until recently I did nothing but haunt leftist haunts. Phlog, DU, bartcop and more. Otherwise I hung out here and a conservative sight whose vile name I won't mention(nope, no hard feelings there). I finally learned that no matter how much I "enjoyed" the battle it really was useless. Not merely because I'll never change their minds but also because I wasted too much time plotting and planning my next "move". Posting often became like a vengeful, blood-letting version of chess.

Screw-em. Beyond the occasional topic-specific invasion it just isn't worth it. Too many constructive things to do.
 
If you can plant a seed of doubt in what passes for thier minds, perhaps, one day, it will grow enough to split open the cacoon they live in and admit a little bit of reality. :scrutiny:

Otherwise, I'd have to agree with the pig analogy. :D
 
Since I started using the internet back in 1994 I have both lurked and been active on a number of internet forums and usenet newsgroups of various political bent (and newsgroups are real jungles). About a year ago I just stopped visiting the more liberal ones.

It became just too frustrating. Regardless of the cause under discussion it was rare that any liberal would ever slide even the smallest amount off of his or her position no matter how illogical and insupportable it might be. Neither facts, figures, logic, pragmatism nor observable reality mattered. All that mattered to most of them was how they felt. :scrutiny:

It was fun at first. Discussions started out reasonable and stayed reasonable right up to the point that the facts begin to erode their positions. Then mud would start to fly and feelings became the method of defense. :banghead:

It got old, the fun factor slowly faded. :(

It's just not worth the effort anymore. :(

I suppose that means that the bastards wore me down. :uhoh:
 
I have a thousand posts over a couple year period on another message board where I spent the vast majority of my time arguing with antis and gun-grabbers. I grew weary of it. It wears you down, and there are always more of them waiting in the wings after you drive the current ones off with logic and truth.

I decided it just wasn't worth my time. You will never, ever get one of those people to change, no matter how ruthlessly you demonstrate their logical disconnects.
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replace italics with some words describing the "isnt the UK crazy" crowd and you have my experience to a tee - except I am still here after two years :D
 
Yeah but...the UK is crazy. ;)

I need to spend time on that forum like a need a hole in the head.

Remember the rules: don't waste your time with true believers.

- Gabe
 
I heard, Democratic underground banned discussion of gun control/gun rights on the forum due to th flame wars it was generating ... course that was a while ago.
 
Sadly - and for most part - the lefty anti's once ''cornered'' with logic and sensibility - seem to go into 'emotional attack' mode.

That mode results in a brick wall - thru which nothing else can cross ..... all the while they continue to try and prove that black is white.

It is regretably in most cases, a hiding to nothing. Those who have tried, know what I mean.:(
 
I have a liberal professor of Russian across the street if I feel the need for pointless exercise. I think she'd rather be in Europe or Cuba or somewhere more to her way of thinking.

John
 
When each and every one of them come face to face (or worse) with a major threat they may change their tune. Until then it's a "maybe" that you'll convert one - maybe a fence-sitter would be easier.
 
Not so. Michael, one of the moderators, is coming around.
After further research into types of guns I am finding that many models are interchangeable, such as sniper rifles/hunting rifles. ....
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then
...Had I known how many types of guns there are I would have spoken more clearly about what should be banned and what should remain legal. However, [he goes on about how machine guns are evil and all that]...
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Looks like he's pretty much backing off of the assault weapon issue. After only a couple days and two PMs.
 
I tried to post on some liberal boards and give a pro-gun viewpoint; got myself banned from the Ms board a few years ago when they got into an internet pissing match with AR15.com.Problem being that a lot of pro-gun people go onto liberal boards and present a bad image of gunnies, in my opinion. They don't make good rational arguments, rely on comments like "God tells me I can have this gun", or threaten the liberals, etc.

Of the two boards I have ben banned from, I was banned form Ms for being too conservative, and from Assaultweb for being too liberal. Wish they would make up their minds......

Would you want them coming onto your board and being rude? Same applies to their board. If people can be polite and rational, its great. Otherwise, its a waste of time.
 
I've posted on a liberal board for years with no problems and have managed to sway more than a few over time. Of course, they listen because they respect me..probably because I haven't spent most of my time telling them they're morons.
 
I occassionally post at the lib forums. The "debate hall" is basically
unmoderated and thusly any "debate" usually turns into a rep/dem,
lib/con, Bush/Kerry flamefest with personal insults galore.
I mostly have grown tired of it, esp when some of the topics I posted
also turned into the above. Still give it the once over and never click
on the threads I know to be like Hades.

cheers, ab
 
I see no reason to acknowledge the leftist websites. I'm on this board because it's enjoyable and relaxing. Flame wars and trolling doesn't interest me.
 
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