Hogue Grips cause Trigger issues in a P226? Or is it something else?

[Blues Brother]

Hello. I just bought my first sig yesterday, a New P226. I installed a set of Hogue Rubber grips on it before I fired the first round. and i got it to the range today. its a nice gun and I really like the accuracy. but.....it didnt go perfect. Every so often, I would fire a round, and the next round would chamber fine, and the hammer was cocked, but the hammer wouldnt drop when I pulled the trigger. if was like the trigger didnt "reset" or something...

SO this went on for a few mags. well, I got frustrated, and figured the trigger mechanism spring on the right side of the grip frame might be interfering with the new grip. SO I put the factory sig grips back on and it seemed to work fine. I took them off, and reinstalled the Hogue, and started to have troubles again. The trigger felt.....somewhat limp, like it had no spring load on it. and then the only way to get it to fire, would be to use the decocker lever, and re-cock the hammer back. then it would fire. sometimes it went 10 runds without a failure, others it would fail every time.

is there some sort of an adjustment I need to look at? is there a way to solve this? I am new to Sigs, so I am flying blind here. is this a problem with the pistol, or the hogue grips? I didnt think the Hogues would cause any trouble, but from my viewpoint, they are the only thing I can see causing this issue. I dont think it failed once with the factory grips on it. is my assumption correct that the trigger spring is binding somehow against the grip? do i need a new spring? is this spring just a bad one? or is it the grips?

I would appreciate any help you can provide.

Thanks!!!!

 

[gb6491]

It sounds like the Hogues are interfering with the spring on the right side (viewed from the rear) of the pistol. If the spring is installed correctly you may have to relieve the inside of that grip panel to make it work correctly.
Regards,
Greg

 

[Blues Brother]

sometimes if I "jimmied" the trigger a bit, it would "reset" and feel like it was ready to fire, and it was. you could feel it in the trigger.

 

[Blues Brother]

You think it may be the spring itself thats bent? or is it just the grips are interfearing with it, and the inside of the grip needs to be ground out with a dremel or something??

 

[gb6491]

You think it may be the spring itself thats bent? or is it just the grips are interfearing with it, and the inside of the grip needs to be ground out with a dremel or something??

It's probably the grip and needs to have the inside of it relieved some, but it doesn't hurt to check the spring. The picture shows how the spring looks undamaged and properly installed on a 229 (should be pretty much the same on your 226). That's a Hogue grip panel in the photo as well.
Regards,
Greg

 

[Blues Brother]

So grind some of the inside of the hogue grip away then?

 

[gudel]

If I were you, instead of dicking around with the gun, or dremel the grips, send the grip back to hogue and tell them it causes your gun to malfunction. Fix it or money back.

 

[gb6491]

So grind some of the inside of the hogue grip away then?

That's what I would do. Try to locate the tight spot; install the grip panel with no top screw and try to duplicate the problem while applying pressure to various points on the grip.
Regards.
Greg

 

[heritageguy]

Did you read the little blue card that came with the Hogue grips (or used to)? It warns of potential interference on Sigs and similar pistols and describes the fix. GB6491 also explained the fix! Check their web site.

 

[Blues Brother]

I checked their website and didnt see a part about this issue. got a link??

Its a new gun, with a new grip, so it should work. but I dont see a place where they talk about routing the grip.

 

[Jason M]

My Hogue has not interfered with my 226 yet. Thanks for posting this, I'll pay more attention to the gun now. It is my vehicle carry piece. I don't need a senseless malfunction when I need it to go bang the most.

 

[evan price]

The disconnector is under the right grip panel, up by the slide. The trigger bar spring is under the grip panel. If the disconnector isn't popping up into the slide notch, the trigger bar spring won't let the trigger reset. I've seen people overtighten the grip screw and the grip rubs the trigger bar spring and disconnector and causes the exact malfunction you describe. The Hogue grips are flexible as opposed to the rigid Sig plastic grip panel, and if overtightened the Hogue will squeeze in too far. Shaving the inside of the Hogue where the disconnector sticks up or the trigger bar spring rides will solve this.

 

[phantomak47]

On a side note, new Sigs really need a decent break in time, they are super tight and need some "grind time" to get them loosened up a bit.

 

[Blues Brother]

Yea that sounds interesting on the rubber grip tihng being too tight causing binding issues. that might be it too. I did try to loosen the grip, but that didnt produce any results. hmmmmmmm.........

 

[heritageguy]

Hogue used to put a small foldout in the box. Here's a copy from the Website. Look under Support and then under Rubber Auto Grips.

http://www.getgrip.com/PDF files/Instruction PDF files/Rubber Auto Grips.pdf


http://www.getgrip.com/PDF files/Instruction PDF files/Rubber Auto Grips.pdf

 

[fastbolt]

Sig Sauer pistols are grip dependent.

Improperly installing a set of the right grips may potentially cause problems.

Installing the wrong grips can cause functioning problems.

That said, if I'm seeing it right in the posted fuzzy image, I notice you're apparently using Hogue grips intended for a P228/229 on your 226? Why?

Why not install the Hogue grip produced for the 226?

http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merchant.ihtml?id=44&step=2
http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merchant.ihtml?id=45&step=2

Might be a good place to start.

 

[Blues Brother]

I didnt post those pictures. they are not mine. the grips are correct. they are for the P226.

I went back out to the range again tonight. with the factory sig grips installed, the gun fired 60 rounds, and failed to fire 2 times. its WAY better than with the Hogue Grips, but thats still not acceptable on a brand new $900 gun on the first day. I maen I would not trust this gun to carry at this point. I need to know its going to fired EVERY time.

 

[fastbolt]

Okay. That clears up that ...

Call Sig Sauer and ask for customer service. Trying to diagnose a problem on the internet isn't really a manufacturer's a suggested course of action.

Be prepared to again clearly explain exactly what circumstances were involved when you say 'failure-to-fire'. Folks generally lump all sorts of situations into broad categories.

For example, if the trigger remains in the rearward position and is no longer under pressure, the trigger bar spring may be broken or incorrectly installed (replace spring) ...

However, if the cocked hammer cannot be released by the trigger, not only could it be caused by the trigger bar spring being either broken or incorrectly positioned on the trigger bar (check spring position or replace spring), but it might also be caused by a damaged sear (replace sear and hammer), damaged safety lever (replace safety) or damaged trigger bar (replace).

Again, improperly installing a set of the right grips may potentially cause problems.

Just depends.

Yes, it's unusual for something to be damaged or broken right out of the box, but it's not unheard of for something to be unknowingly defective, out-of-spec or just not installed right on a NIB pistol.

I was told of a couple hundred 229's which were received by another agency a number of years ago which had defective trigger bars, and which wouldn't permit them to fire. Supposedly an out-of-spec problem which occurred with a small run of trigger bars. New trigger bars were required.

Why not call Sig Sauer and ask them about it?

Don't be surprised if they ask if you're certain the slide was completely forward in battery, or that the pistol was properly lubricated (if the slide was out-of-battery and related to your situation). Things like that ...

Sig Sauer pistols are often described as 'wet guns', and there's a reason for that. They do like their lubrication in order to feed & function normally.

Sig Sauer makes fine pistols. Doesn't mean an occasional one might not need a minor repair, though. Give them a call.

 

[DOBIE12]

My Dept. Issues Sig P229s. Several Officers Purchased Hogue Grips For Them. About Half Had This Same Problem. Hogues Are Still Approved, But Must Be Installed By The Department Armorer.

 

[Blues Brother]

I am going to go out and try it again today with the factory grips. I will make sure its properly oiled. I think it is oiled fine, I have cleaned it twice, right after I shot it both times.

I will see what happens today. and report back!