ineedmoney
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i would like to buy a holographic sight to put on my wasr 10 but i dont have alot of money anyone kno of a good one that will last for atleast 500 rounds, for low price (no more than $200) OR dot sight/scope?
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bigalexe
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Back when I was doing some looking for a shotgun I didn't find much of anything I would trust for too long under $200. I think the price point I was looking at was $300-$400
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The commie optics have gone up in price.
The cheapest ones seem to be $220-$240 now.
http://www.aa-ok.com/categories/10-ak-dragunov-scopes-mounts
Those will last a lot longer than 500 rounds.
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The cheapest ones seem to be $220-$240 now.
http://www.aa-ok.com/categories/10-ak-dragunov-scopes-mounts
Those will last a lot longer than 500 rounds.
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Z-Michigan
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For $150ish you can get a Vortex Strikefire that is pretty well made (not an Aimpoint, but not junk) and has a lifetime warranty. Only downside is the dot isn't super bright at its brightest setting.
Don't forget the cost of a mounting rail or other mount for the optic, that could be significant.
Don't forget the cost of a mounting rail or other mount for the optic, that could be significant.
ineedmoney
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i think im going to buy ATI upper and lower handgaurds to mount it on its only like $35, thanks for the help so far if anyone else knows of a good one im listening.....well looking 
MoDerN_WarRioR
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Another +1 For the vortex Strikefire! I picked one up a few months ago at Sportsman's cuz it was $149 and i absolutely love it! I have put about 200 rounds through it with it and so far holding dead ZERO!
(I plan on it holding up for a while!)I love my Strikefire!
Jenrick
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Truglo makes a red dot that's pretty sturdy, certainly not going to fall apart on an AR-15 in .223/5.56. Sucker usually retails for about $80.
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Z-Michigan
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I haven't used those but I would expect that any handguard mount will wobble a bit and undermine accuracy.
The "Ultimak" clamps to the barrel and gets very good reviews:
http://www.ultimak.com/
It is more money.
If your WASR has a scope mounting rail on the left side, there are mounts that will attach to that. The one I've tried was awfully high, but reasonably functional. Check out Leapers.com or CDNN Sports for examples.
Speedo66
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What about the Burris Fastfire II?
They're $200 everywhere, and supposedly made by a company that makes the $500 ones.
The "II" model is also waterproof.
They're $200 everywhere, and supposedly made by a company that makes the $500 ones.
The "II" model is also waterproof.
AK103K
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Do yourself a BIG favor and save up for a good sight. It will be cheaper in the long run. If I had back the money I wasted on supposedly good, brand name dot sights, I'd have a couple more Aimpoints right now.
I've owned Bushnell's, Tasco's, BSA's, and a few others, and none lasted very long under moderate use and some minor abuse. I dont know if they figure you wont be shooting a whole lot with the hunting models that they dont need to hold up long or what, but mine didnt, and were soon having issues holding zero and staying on when fired. All had issues with battery life.
The Russian stuff is well made, but doesnt really make shooting the gun natural or easy. I'm sure it will hold up to real world use, its just you have to deal with the shooting part.
The best combo I've found for the AK's is the Ultimak/Aimpoint combo. The Ultimak allows the sight to be mounted low and forward, out of the way, of both peripheral vision and general handling, and with an Aimpoint mounted on a low ring, is low enough to cowitness your iron sights in the tube. Its well made and well designed, something most other AK mounts arent. The rifle shoulders and shoots like it does without the dot on the gun. You get the same cheek weld as you do with the iron sights.
The Aimpoints, like the Russian stuff, are a US military issue sight, and built for military use/abuse. I have a couple with multiple thousands of rounds through them without any kind of trouble or issue.
With the Aimpoints, battery life is a non issue. The older models will last over a year when left on, and some of the newer ones, over nine years, and thats at a setting closer to full bright than off. I quit bothering to turn mine off.
Yes, they will cost you money initially, but you'll only spend it once, and when you understand what you get with the package you end up with, then you'll know it wasnt money wasted.
I've owned Bushnell's, Tasco's, BSA's, and a few others, and none lasted very long under moderate use and some minor abuse. I dont know if they figure you wont be shooting a whole lot with the hunting models that they dont need to hold up long or what, but mine didnt, and were soon having issues holding zero and staying on when fired. All had issues with battery life.
The Russian stuff is well made, but doesnt really make shooting the gun natural or easy. I'm sure it will hold up to real world use, its just you have to deal with the shooting part.
The best combo I've found for the AK's is the Ultimak/Aimpoint combo. The Ultimak allows the sight to be mounted low and forward, out of the way, of both peripheral vision and general handling, and with an Aimpoint mounted on a low ring, is low enough to cowitness your iron sights in the tube. Its well made and well designed, something most other AK mounts arent. The rifle shoulders and shoots like it does without the dot on the gun. You get the same cheek weld as you do with the iron sights.
The Aimpoints, like the Russian stuff, are a US military issue sight, and built for military use/abuse. I have a couple with multiple thousands of rounds through them without any kind of trouble or issue.
With the Aimpoints, battery life is a non issue. The older models will last over a year when left on, and some of the newer ones, over nine years, and thats at a setting closer to full bright than off. I quit bothering to turn mine off.
Yes, they will cost you money initially, but you'll only spend it once, and when you understand what you get with the package you end up with, then you'll know it wasnt money wasted.
Snakum
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I have a rule that I never spend more on a scope than the gun costs, unless someone is paying me to pull a trigger - and I'm too old to re-enlist.
So I sighted up a couple of Rommy AKs with NcStar scopes and reflex/holos. Both are on inexpensive UTG side mounts, neither require a re-zero before blasting off at the range, and both are coming up on 1000 rounds of Brown Bear and Wolf 7.62 and are still running strong. On the 10/63 I can bench close to 2 MOA with the 3-9x32 scope, and on the WASR 10 the reflex benches about 3 MOA.
$50 each.
So I sighted up a couple of Rommy AKs with NcStar scopes and reflex/holos. Both are on inexpensive UTG side mounts, neither require a re-zero before blasting off at the range, and both are coming up on 1000 rounds of Brown Bear and Wolf 7.62 and are still running strong. On the 10/63 I can bench close to 2 MOA with the 3-9x32 scope, and on the WASR 10 the reflex benches about 3 MOA.
$50 each.
ineedmoney
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i might give that a try,
ineedmoney
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how does the russian sight make it hard to shoot? ive been thinking of maybe getting one of those i would just have save $$ a little longer
armoredman
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Try a C-More, good sight for about $250.
Dwrice
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Not sure why you want it to last only 500 rounds. I have an E-Tec on my AR for work and could not be happier with it. You can have the glass break and it still works. Just make sure you have extra batteries.
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The Kobra sights I've shot were mounted to high and did not shoulder naturally for me. They were also right in my face, blocking my field of view. They worked OK for slow, deliberate fire, but nothing like a low, forward mounted sight for quick, natural, active/reactive shooting.
ineedmoney
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oh ok i understand. ive read that somewhere before but i for got about it......
i would like for the sight to last longer than 500 rds. it will just take me a long time to reach 500. but like i said i would like for it to last longer, i just want the best sight for the money
good answers so far by the way
i would like for the sight to last longer than 500 rds. it will just take me a long time to reach 500. but like i said i would like for it to last longer, i just want the best sight for the money
good answers so far by the way
For a tube style red dot try UltraDot at around $150. Very popular sight in the competition shooting sports.
For a holo sight take a look at the Walther Red Dot. Midway has it at $139. It's real tiny, which is a huge advantage on a handgun IMO, especially if you're using it to hunt with. I just put one on my 10" Ruger MK II and I can't wait to try it out.
For a holo sight take a look at the Walther Red Dot. Midway has it at $139. It's real tiny, which is a huge advantage on a handgun IMO, especially if you're using it to hunt with. I just put one on my 10" Ruger MK II and I can't wait to try it out.
Z-Michigan
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FYI, red dot sights and holographic sights are different technologies. I am only aware of three genuine holographic sights:
Eotech
Bushnell Holosight (same technology, consumer version)
ITL Mars from Israel (appears to be same/similar to an Eotech)
Everything else is just a red dot sight that doesn't have a tube. The operating principles are fundamentally different - a holographic sight uses an actual hologram which is activated by a tiny laser, while a red dot is merely a reflection of an LED on glass with a bandpass coating (to reflect that LED's wavelength). Both work well, but they are different things. I have used and own both, including one of the higher end Eotechs (552). On paper a holographic sight sure sounds superior, but in actual use it has little benefit but draws more power (=shorter battery life) and is usually bigger and heavier. Also, the Aimpoint holds far more respect for durability and reliability among current and ex-military and active carbine trainers than the Eotech.
Eotech
Bushnell Holosight (same technology, consumer version)
ITL Mars from Israel (appears to be same/similar to an Eotech)
Everything else is just a red dot sight that doesn't have a tube. The operating principles are fundamentally different - a holographic sight uses an actual hologram which is activated by a tiny laser, while a red dot is merely a reflection of an LED on glass with a bandpass coating (to reflect that LED's wavelength). Both work well, but they are different things. I have used and own both, including one of the higher end Eotechs (552). On paper a holographic sight sure sounds superior, but in actual use it has little benefit but draws more power (=shorter battery life) and is usually bigger and heavier. Also, the Aimpoint holds far more respect for durability and reliability among current and ex-military and active carbine trainers than the Eotech.
Check out the "AK Iron Dot". It is more than $200 but it has gotten excellent reviews. If you get one just be sure it comes with the Gen II Fastfire. It is a much improved version.
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Categories.bok?category=Mini+Red+Dots+/+Bases
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Categories.bok?category=Mini+Red+Dots+/+Bases
ineedmoney
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if you could let me kno how the bushnell does after u shoot
wally
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I'm with Snakum on this. But while I've had very good luck with the cheap tube type red dots from CDNN for $20-30, the cheap reflux/holo I've not had any luck with at all.
The ATI hand guards with the rail are over sized, they won't wobble if you fit them right unless your gun is out of spec and the factory hand guards wobble (remember the top rail ends up mounted on the gas tube). Unfortunately you will lose use of the iron sights once you mount an optic. Thats why the side mount is probably the cheapest way to get started.
My favorite cheap red dot is the Barska 1X30 M16 Electro Site, about $75 if you shop around, I've had one on a .308 for a while and its held up well.
The LaRue "Iron Dot" seems to be the trick setup for AK, but its well over $200. The Fastfire I've on my 1911 has been great through many 1000s of rounds.
A side mount and cheap tube type red dot would be a good way to start ($60-80 if you shop around) and have something to use while you save for an Iron Dot or EOTech etc.
Not everybody likes red dots you have to focus on the target and look through the dot -- if you don't you will complain "they don't hold zero". This is unlike irons where you focus on the front sight or a normal scope where you focus your vision on the reticle, so the natural tendency is to look at the dot and this usually won't work out very well.
--wally.
The ATI hand guards with the rail are over sized, they won't wobble if you fit them right unless your gun is out of spec and the factory hand guards wobble (remember the top rail ends up mounted on the gas tube). Unfortunately you will lose use of the iron sights once you mount an optic. Thats why the side mount is probably the cheapest way to get started.
My favorite cheap red dot is the Barska 1X30 M16 Electro Site, about $75 if you shop around, I've had one on a .308 for a while and its held up well.
The LaRue "Iron Dot" seems to be the trick setup for AK, but its well over $200. The Fastfire I've on my 1911 has been great through many 1000s of rounds.
A side mount and cheap tube type red dot would be a good way to start ($60-80 if you shop around) and have something to use while you save for an Iron Dot or EOTech etc.
Not everybody likes red dots you have to focus on the target and look through the dot -- if you don't you will complain "they don't hold zero". This is unlike irons where you focus on the front sight or a normal scope where you focus your vision on the reticle, so the natural tendency is to look at the dot and this usually won't work out very well.
--wally.
KBintheSLC
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Another vote for a decent red-dot sight. You can get a very good red-dot scope for less than a third the price of a quality holo-sight (such as an EoTech).
I would rather have a high end red-dot than a low end holo-sight.
I would rather have a high end red-dot than a low end holo-sight.
armoredman
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Went cheap with a few, paid for it. Save up for something good.
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