Home Defense, How to Beef Mine Up?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Mar 2, 2008
Messages
54
Location
I live in the great state of Indiana
Hello all. Given a recent criminal act committed on my property (someone ransacked my sister’s car), I’ve decided to beef up my home defense. At the moment, I have a .38 special and a .25 ACP. Gun-wise, I feel I am okay. I’m getting a shotgun soon as added protection. My questions:

1. Are cheapie door and window sensors (GE and other brands) reliable and recommendable?
2. I want motion-activated floodlights for three sides of my house but should I get a fourth one for the side of my house that, by leaving on the four porch lights that are on that side, is completely illuminated, plus guarded by my neighbor’s easily annoyed, very loud barking dogs?
3. Any affordable, reliable glass breaking alarm devices available?
4. Do I even need such a device, considering I have a dog that, though older, has excellent hearing and a loud bark?

Thanks.
 
I use the cheapo window sensors on every window in my home. They make a loud ear-piercing squeal when the window is opened. If the window is broken, I hope that I would hear the glass breaking. There is only one door to my home, and it remains locked and bolted, even when I am home. The door to my room also has a lock and it is locked when I am not at home and when I am sleeping. The guns are all in the room, except for the one that I am CCing. My guns are all loaded, all the time. On top of that, my dog will alert me if there is anything wrong. She's well trained and knows that I am the one that defends the house, so she lets me check on noises before she investigates them. It's not that she is too affraid or anything; I've just made it clear that I am the alpha in our "pack" and I will be the one that defends the pack, not her.

That being said, I live in a somewhat bad neighborhood, but I feel very safe in my home. I am confident that if anyone did try to break in, they would have to make enough noise in doing so that I would know about it.
 
GrandMoffBrandon:
Hello all. Given a recent criminal act committed on my property (someone ransacked my sister’s car), I’ve decided to beef up my home defense. At the moment, I have a .38 special and a .25 ACP. Gun-wise, I feel I am okay. I’m getting a shotgun soon as added

I had one motion activated floodlight, and I had to replace it rather often. Also it was activated by benign things I could not always identify--maybe the wind in the trees. I finally got rid of it.

Depending on the layout of your home and property some remote cameras may help. People have posted that thay are inexpensive.

Getting the shotgun is a good idea.

Check for these in Indiana:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5149096&postcount=8
 
Do I even need such a device, considering I have a dog that, though older, has excellent hearing and a loud bark?
I'd get one. It might get something the dog could miss, and you will be less likely to ignore it. It will also be clearer, as if it's going off, you know it's been set off, while if the dog barks, it could be anything.

You may wish to consider a genuine alarm system. Call the company, have them send out a salesman, and have him give you a cost estimate.
 
1: Obtain (1) K9 with a loud deep bark. Insure you are seen all the time walking the said K9.
2: Procure (1) 12GA loaded with 3" 00 buckshot.
3: Plant thorny roses or other thorny foliage under and around all ingress and egress points if possible.
4: Install motion sensing exterior lighting that covers the entire home perimeter.
5: Be prepared to utilize your "combat mindset" if necesssary.:cool:
 
An alarm system is a must. Get your dog a little friend, two barking dogs would be a good deterent. Also keep bushes around your house small and trimed(bad guy can't hide there). lots of outdoor lights. Make sure to keep all doors locked even when home.
 
Take the NRA's "personal protection in the home" course. Great ideas for all sorts of thorny plants in the book you get.
 
2: Procure (1) 12GA loaded with 3" 00 buckshot.

Personally I prefer the Federal Law Enforcement Tactical Low Recoil 00 Buckshot with the Flitecontrol wad over a 3” load for Home Defense.
 
I use the cheapo window sensors on every window in my home. They make a loud ear-piercing squeal when the window is opened.

My sister bought some of the GE sensors at Wal-Mart a few hours ago, one of the cheapie door sensors with keypad and a motion sensor, plus some batteries, for a little over $100. All the entry points to my house are now “alarmed up.” I tested each device before installing it and indeed it does have a loud, piercing noise. It also seems to immediately convince my dog that she has to prove she can make more noise than the alarm. For what little it cost to obtain these devices, I have to say they seem to be well worth it.

I had one motion activated floodlight, and I had to replace it rather often. Also it was activated by benign things I could not always identify--maybe the wind in the trees. I finally got rid of it.

Yikes, sounds like a hassle. Do you remember the brand and specific “model” or whatnot that you used?

Depending on the layout of your home and property some remote cameras may help. People have posted that thay are inexpensive.

I think the layout of my house would make cameras a good choice, though I am hoping to find a reliable, high quality but affordable motion-activated or other security light as a deterrent(I know, deterrence doesn’t always work) whereas the cameras wouldn’t work as well, though a BG casing the place might choose to go elsewhere if he sees cameras. I’ll have to look into finding an inexpensive system (money IS an object at the moment). Hopefully, over the next few months I can put together a really decent home defense.

You may wish to consider a genuine alarm system. Call the company, have them send out a salesman, and have him give you a cost estimate.

I really wish I could but I’ve been hit really hard by the economic crisis. I guess everyone has but if some of the stuff I’ve read elsewhere is accurate, there is no way I could afford a complete system as offered by places like ADT, Brinks, etc. However, if the estimate is free, I see no reason not to get it done. I might be able to gradually piece together a complete system that covers the whole house, while using some of the cheapie stuff out there to supplement it.

1: Obtain (1) K9 with a loud deep bark. Insure you are seen all the time walking the said K9.

Get your dog a little friend, two barking dogs would be a good deterent.

What breeds do you, and others here, recommend? I was thinking of going to the local German Sheppard breeder and seeing about maybe buying me a pup, though I have no idea what price I’m looking at (he advertises AKC registration or something). The dog breed would have to be good with kids (niece and nephew) and be amenable to cats, too. Any suggestions?

3: Plant thorny roses or other thorny foliage under and around all ingress and egress points if possible.

I don’t really have experience with plants and all, so would planting rosebushes be possible now (winterish weather here in Indiana) or is spring the better bet?

Take the NRA's "personal protection in the home" course. Great ideas for all sorts of thorny plants in the book you get.

I’m looking into taking this course, ASAP.
 
There's a class/instructor locator for the NRA classes at http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp .

If there's no class nearby, or it will be a while before you can get to one, the DVD of the PPITH class presentation is available at http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES 26840 .

Some of the inexpensive alarms currently available seem to work pretty well. I found a simple little magnetic reed switch type unit at Dollar Tree the other day ($1 each, batteries included) that seem to work pretty well. You can see pics at http://www.dealtent.com/item.cgi?relist_id=0000033655 , the main unit is 2.5X1X1"- very small and light weight, and seems to mount pretty firmly with the attached double sided tape. It is a little picky about where the magnet is installed opposite the alarm unit, but some experimentation before mounting it should demonstrate the range and position limits of the magnet.

As to dogs, if money is really tight, look for a puppy that promises to grow into a medium sized dog at the local pound. You might even run across the shepherd you're looking for. Even a shepherd mix might do.

I've been happy with the motion sensor lights I put up here- they came from wallyworld, and were not terribly expensive, but they work well- no false alarms (but the one in front never misses the neighbor's cat crossing the porch rail). They're labeled Brinks Security Lighting System, 100 watt Colonial Coach Lantern, Model #7222W. They were $30- 35, IIRC.

hth,

lpl
 
It depends....

I don't believe alarm systems are worth the money if you're relying on them for security while you are absent from the home. If you're relying on them for when you're there, they will buy you some time at the cost of some hassle and some false alarms. Door and window sensors are expensive to do right and you may be better off setting up a motion detector or two in key areas and adjusting it so your dog doesn't set it off.

A pump shotgun is great but give some thought to how you'll secure it when not in use. Consider a storage locker to be part of the cost.

Rose bushes take time to get established. Think in terms of planting some in May and having enough thorns to serve as a deterrent a year and a half later. I am fond of the shrub roses that grow to a height of 5' or so. They are hardy and easy to grow, though rose aficionados don't like them because they only flower once a year and the flowers are small. You have to match the plant to the environment. Roses require nearly full sun so they might work on a southern or eastern wall but not northern and probably not western. Barberry hedge is also good but it too requires full sun.
 
I don’t really have experience with plants

Barberry bushes are more dense and hardy than rose bushes and they have plenty of sharp thorns all over the branches. They are easy to grow and you can prune them to what ever height you like. any local nursery or home depot or menards will have them in the spring. more info on the following web site:

http://www.hampshirefarms.com/HampshireIX/ProductPage.aspx?id=171700
 
There's a class/instructor locator for the NRA classes at http://www.nrahq.org/education/train...ictraining.asp .

If there's no class nearby, or it will be a while before you can get to one, the DVD of the PPITH class presentation is available at http://materials.nrahq.org/go/produc...tid=ES 26840 .

Thanks!

have you thought of even putting up fake cameras around the entrance ways to your home?

Yep, I'm definitely going to look into those. I mostly want them as a deterrent, so fake ones should work just as well as the real ones. In the future, I might choose to buy a system that records when motion-activated. It might help the police identify someone who burglarizes my house when I'm not home.

I don’t really have experience with plants

Barberry bushes are more dense and hardy than rose bushes and they have plenty of sharp thorns all over the branches. They are easy to grow and you can prune them to what ever height you like. any local nursery or home depot or menards will have them in the spring. more info on the following web site:

http://www.hampshirefarms.com/Hampsh...aspx?id=171700

Thanks. About how long would it take for them to grow large enough to be of defensive value? And what can I plant or place in front of my windows that don't get much sunlight? I don't care if it looks pretty but my mother and sister probably wouldn't let me plant or place something that they considered "ugly."
 
Great thread. Good ideas here. For outside lights that aren't on motion detectors, you can keep the electric bill down by running the compact flourescent lights (CFLs). I keep five on all night every night, and they only total about the same as one 60 watt incandescent bulb.

Some motion detector lights might work with the CFLs, but I'm unsure about the solid state switches in the light units and how they interact with the electronic ballast in the CFL bulbs.
 
I would definitely get the fourth light to cover all the sides of your house. More importantly, I would get a light for every door to your house. Its useful for your own safety getting to that door too but also good to help warn away intruders.

Then, make sure you test it. I get my kids to do this - I tell them they win if they can sneak up to the house without activating a light. It makes it more fun that way. :)
 
I am not into plants, just something else to maintain, and something for a bad guy to use for cover.
Or armadillo's that carry leprosy, or snakes, or...

I do like scrunchy , noisy small pea gravel.
I like a clean exterior that has nothing to offer concealment, and this scrunchy fine small pea gravel also keeps the rain coming off the eaves from leaving ruts in the yard.
I do not do gutters either, again it clutters the looks of a house and something else to maintain. I like simple.

Take note of where rain falls off the roof and go out another 3 inches into the yard.
Then get some mark this off with string and stakes.
Clean this up nice and neat.
Get the landscape trim and install this, then add this fine scrunchy chat, pea gravel.
For looks, one can do a pattern with the trim and do different color rocks...
I like simple, and when it rains, the yard is not rutted up.
If it really rains hard, just a matter of raking it in place.

A criminal will see a neat, clean exterior, nowhere to hide, and stepping on it scrunches.

Oh this will let you know someone is out poking around, and for sure a dawg will pick up on this.

This sends a signal to some models of criminals "this person is on the ball and I would be better off going to another house less in the open and affords me no cover".

Baby Monitors.
Again.
Set one outside on the back porch, for instance if the car is parked out back, up and out of sight, stick it in a goofy bird house, whatever.
You can hear everything going on outside from the safety of being inside.

Lights, Sound, Action.
Timers for the house for lights and radios, and TVs.
Even a old black and white TV that does work well will give the impression someone is up , in a part of the house watching TV.

One widow has a timer for a radio, lights, and "shop noise". Her late husband used to go out the garage and piddle in his shop and listen to ball games on the radio. The window in the garage has blinds and curtains, still folks see the light and hear " Runner on third, two strikes, two balls and ...:

Another widower has dummies. Actually two.
One is a mannequin, and the other a "scarecrow" using cloth filler.
The mannequin is on a stand and gets moved to various places in the house.
Like the kitchen and the timer comes on after he goes to bed.
His late wife was a nurse, and sometimes worked the 3p to 11p shift.
The youngest daughter before she moved out also worked funny hours. Medical Transcription, and worked both at a hospital and at home.


These then go to various bedrooms, and give the impression of watching TV or being on the computer. Just like his late wife and youngest daughter did.
He is sound asleep.

(He says these dummies reminds him of one of his daughters, except the dummy's are smarter which I have to agree with. Oh she has a Master's in Eng of some kind, she writes, edits, and all that. She cannot boil water and has difficulty knowing which end of a knife, fork, or spoon to use. She knows the correct word, grammar, and can diagram a sentence, going up and down steps throw her for a loop).


Sprinkle some of this pea gravel , on steps , back porch and on car port where car is, this stuff is scrunchy loud.

I also like a hidden light up high, say in the house vent (widower has one aimed out back. He had vent thingie put in for this.
He hears a noise, he can flip it on from various places in the house and light up the back yard big time!

This is on battery back up, as are his inside emergency lights in case the power goes out.

Do not oil hinges on gates, fix squeaky steps, creaking porches, or oil the hinges of screen/storm doors.
Nor the creak in the hallway floor, or oil the hinge on bathroom doors, or put a green felt dot on kitchen cabinet doors so they do not bang shut...
Now kids know how come mom and dad knew why they came in later than the agreed upon time...
 
What breeds do you, and others here, recommend?

If you already have a large dog, a smaller terrier might be a good complement. Less chance of dominance issues. Also smaller dogs often have more energy and better hearing. The small dog acts like a trip wire for the larger dog that then is more intimidating.

Just remember few dogs (read none) are a match for a BG with a gun.
 
The best things to repel burglars and home invaders is lots of noise and flashing lights. They positively hate lots of noise and flashing lights. I talked to a burglar once who had broken into a pharmacy. The building had a slight delay in the alarm system of about 90 second to 1 minute. The burglar breaks in, starts to move around the store and then all of sudden all hell breaks loose. The store had sirens, horns and bright strobe type lights flashing on and off. The guy told me that he almost had a heart attack because of what happened. The lights and noise makers were on the inside and the outside of the building. He couldn't get out of there fast enough when all hell broke loose. He fell down, slightly hurt himself and actually did wet himself at one point in the burglary. He was so scared that when he got outside he literally ran into the side of a car that he hadn't seen. And the car was a parked one too...
 
Friend GrandMoffBrandon,

I really wish I could but I’ve been hit really hard by the economic crisis. I guess everyone has but if some of the stuff I’ve read elsewhere is accurate, there is no way I could afford a complete system as offered by places like ADT, Brinks, etc. However, if the estimate is free, I see no reason not to get it done. I might be able to gradually piece together a complete system that covers the whole house, while using some of the cheapie stuff out there to supplement it.

I work in a related field. Many security companies, including those you have mentioned will sell you an entry level security alarm for a very reasonable price, often just a little over their cost.

Where they make their profit is in the monthly monitoring fee. In our market, this averages twenty five dollars a month. They will often tie you up with a multi-year contract which you can have a difficult time closing out.

The salesman will surely come out to talk to you free, but be very careful of the hard sell, and read the contract thoroughly.
 
For outside lights that aren't on motion detectors, you can keep the electric bill down by running the compact flourescent lights (CFLs). I keep five on all night every night, and they only total about the same as one 60 watt incandescent bulb.

Thank you for the suggestion. I’ll look into obtaining some of those.

Then, make sure you test it. I get my kids to do this - I tell them they win if they can sneak up to the house without activating a light. It makes it more fun that way.

Hey, that’ll give my niece and nephew something to do the next time they stop by!:D

Baby Monitors.
Again.
Set one outside on the back porch, for instance if the car is parked out back, up and out of sight, stick it in a goofy bird house, whatever.
You can hear everything going on outside from the safety of being inside.

Lights, Sound, Action.
Timers for the house for lights and radios, and TVs.
Even a old black and white TV that does work well will give the impression someone is up , in a part of the house watching TV.

Thanks for this and the gravel suggestion. I’ll definitely employ some of these ideas.

If you already have a large dog, a smaller terrier might be a good complement. Less chance of dominance issues. Also smaller dogs often have more energy and better hearing. The small dog acts like a trip wire for the larger dog that then is more intimidating.

Just remember few dogs (read none) are a match for a BG with a gun.

I used to have a little beagle with my black lab, so I know what you mean. I mostly want an additional dog as a “natural alarm system.” For the reasons you mention, I don’t much expect the dog to do the fighting, if it comes to that.

The best things to repel burglars and home invaders is lots of noise and flashing lights. They positively hate lots of noise and flashing lights.

Do you know if it costs a lot to have the alarm system connected with one’s lighting system? I remember watching a home security show (years and years ago) on HGTV that showed an alarm system that, when activated, would not only emit piercing noises but also turn on and off, over and over again, most of the lights in the house. I’d really like something like that.

And thanks for the really funny story about the BG's bad day...I love it when the tables turn on BGs.:D

I work in a related field. Many security companies, including those you have mentioned will sell you an entry level security alarm for a very reasonable price, often just a little over their cost.

Where they make their profit is in the monthly monitoring fee. In our market, this averages twenty five dollars a month. They will often tie you up with a multi-year contract which you can have a difficult time closing out.

That’s what I’ve been thinking about doing. At least I can obtain monitored security for the main points of entry to my house. Over time, I would hope to replace all the cheapie alarm stuff with devices that can be monitored by the alarm company. I’ll definitely have to make an appointment to have a salesman or other representative come to my home and discuss my options.
 
You can buy remote control systems of the X10 variety very cheaply, all things considered. Smarthome.com has them, and often has sales. One of the things they sell is a control that will flash lights when activated.
There are several levels of 'quality' and features with these kinds of systems, but for the basic entry level X10 stuff, it's pretty reasonable. I've had some since the 80s and most houses have been able to light up the whole place with one button push on the nightstand.


sm, great suggestions as well. I have never thought about the gravel and baby monitor. The squeaking hinges and floors are right on too. In old Japan, one of the ways the castles were built to protect against ninjas was to build intentionally squeaky floors in the approaches to the bedrooms.
 
One thing that most cheapie door and window alarms don't have, that a professionally installed alarm system generally does have is a hella loud alarm that will wake the dead. When thieves set one off, they know a) neighbors are peeking out the window to see what's going on and b) that police are on their way. Just be sure that you keep it in good repair, and minimize any false alarms. Many local sheriff and police departments will do free home security audits where they send a trained officer out who will look your property over to identify security weaknesses and recommend improvements. Generally, they've seen enough break-in's to have a good idea of what makes for an attractive target.

Don't rely on any one thing though. Better doors and locks, exterior lighting, foliage unsutable for cocealment, security fences, etc all will make your home the least attractive target on the block an minimize the chance that yours is the one that wins the lottery. The goal is to do everything you can to disuade the criminal from entering to begin with and to make sure that you know he's there.

If he's super determined (or super stupid), he will come in. Fortunatly, most are neither that supid or determined. For those, have a good flashlight and cell phone by the bed in case power or phone lines get cut. The last line of defense should be your firearm. Make sure it's reliable with your chosen personal defense ammo, you're proficient with it, and every person in the house is comfortable with it (can load it, fire it, and make it safe).
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top