Home Invasion Fear Escalates Hundreds Go To Turlock Meeting

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Depending on just how 'dynamic' the entry team is willing/allowed to be-i.e. is the use of explosives allowed? If explosives are allowed, then they can simply blow a hole in the wall if the door is too stout. Depending on what the house is made of, it may only require a large quantity of det cord. Or use what we called a 'doorknob charge' to blow out the locking mechanism.
 
No offense RedStar but do you attend a Publik Skuuul in California??? Your Sspelllng are atrochess.:D

When we moved to the Ceres area some months back from a nice quiet area of the Napa Valley, where I had a long-standing CCW, I had some reservations about this area. After all the Gary Condit home and the Levy home and the Scott and Lacy Peterson home are all about 15 to 20 minutes from our house.

We moved into a relatively nice neighborhood and there are many church-going people. There are a number of different ethnic groups here and an Assyrian Cultural Center about a mile from our house. We have had very few problems here, partly because of my police background and training.

A short while after moving here I took the obligatory class and test for another CCW, fired my handguns on a local range and took my application in to the SO. To date, I have not been called in, nor have I recieved my new CCW. I guess it is time to write the sheriff and ask what gives. I hace had a CCW for about 23 years and have been a police firearms instructor in two places.

One evening after 11:30 PM, the doorbell rang. I was on the internet and my wife was dealing with some paperwork. I took my M1911 and put it in my back waist band and went to the small window and looked out. Then man that rang the door was on his cellphone and standing back about 12 feet. I opened the door and asked what he wanted. He said his brother had stopped in his driveway four houses away and when he went back to his car a couple of minutes later it was gone. He asked if the mountain bike that he saw on our sideyard was ours. I got my digital camera and went out to where his wife and one son were standing on the sidewalk. I took photos of the bike and the serial number and California registration number. I called the police and a female officer came out to the house. The bike had been removed by that time but I had 6 or 8 good shots of all the pertinent data.

As for threat of home invasion, it is very real and I have my own plan in dealing with it. Calling the police will have to be an afterthought since the perps that do these things do not generally give you time to call 911 before they enter your home.

As for cops raiding the wrong place, well,..... one would hope that they would have the right address and not be acting on a tip from some untrustworthy person. I do not appreciate these ninja cops with dark clothes and face masks. They look more lime JBTs than real cops.

The people of Turlock, about 10 minutes from my place neeed to be better prepared against home invasion robbers.

Meanwhile, without the CCW, I still take care of my own security and safety.

:)
 
Actually this whole Rambo no-knock thing is a direct result of the drug war! why? because why would you take such a risk in the first place? except in the belief that the suspect will flush the evidence. if say a wanted person was found you hang outside his house then nab him as he comes out that way you can see if he's armed. Or nab him at work or anywhere, but a no knock ninja raid!? One day all this madness will end! and it ain't gonna be when all the people just say to themselves "Gee I should just say no to drugs"
 
She advised people to "comply and do what they want -- no piece of jewelry is worth your life."

Yes, "comply and do what they want", including RAPING your daughter or your wife. YOUR LIFE IS NOT WORTH risking defending your family and your property!!!
 
Back when I used to live in the big city I had a length of fishingline attached by alligator clip to the bottom of chain link fence along the rear of the property line. The line ran through the tips of the grass under the back door, up the breezeway stairs, under the kitchen door, up the inside of the kitchen door, and with a single loop had a popcan hung from the door handle. Heavy with pennies it made quite a racket when hitting the floor.

I've never bothered with strengthening doors. I'm with GW in that regard. "Bring it on". I hope invaders aren't too sleepy at such times of the morning because I'm wide awake practicing my energy savings techniques and I do prefer a bit of a challenge now and then.

There was a sneak attack by police here abouts a year ago. Big gun battle, two of the three home occupants killed. Don't recall any cops being killed, just wounded. The survivor escaped to turn himself in a week later. Haven't heard a peep about it since, also haven't heard of anymore sneak attacks.
 
It says something about the death of basic knowlege in America that cops have a legitimate concern about the badguys flushing evidence.

We don't even have to have knowlege of the intricacies of plumbing to figure out what is wrong with this scenario. Unless your house is connected to a septic tank it has to have a pipe bringing water into the house and a pipe taking waste water out of the house. There has to be some sort of access to this pipe at surface level for inspections and such. Now with these deductions how hard is it to divert the waste pipe to collect evidence and quit endangering citizens and officers lives with this infantile mall ninja stupidity?

Any plumbers on the board want to double check my deductions and assumptions?
 
igor,

Let's see....Finland...Michigan....Finland...Michigan....hmmm. Pine trees, ice, sleet, wind, clouds................Only difference that I see is we have the Detroit Red Wings....heh.


:D :D grampster
 
Aikibiker

It's even simpler than that. All you have to do is shut off the water supply. Sure they can flush some of it.
But they can only flush once. By the time they realise that they can't flush again and try to get to another bathroom the entry team will be inside.

Wasn't there a ruling handed down yesterday (Wed Dec 3) that there now has to be a 20 second delay after knocking and announcing before they can go busting down the door?
 
Outside, motion detecting lights could be helpful in scaring home invaders off. They might just go down a couple of doors and try again. The lights also give you a short warning that something is moving outside.
If they do come in, once they have been shot as many times as necessary, call 911. Tell them that home invaders just burst thru your door (or you could say that they invaded your village if you are in New York), that you were afraid for your life, thought that they were going to kill you. Tell them you had no choice but to defend yourself and try to STOP (not kill) the home invaders from killing you and your family. Tell them to send the police and PARA MEDICS. All calls are recorded on 911. In California, you must be in fear of your life to use deadly force. Asking for the medics shows that you are a compassionate person and really care about the poor misguided lowlifes that you just shot. You have told them that you feard for your life. It is all on tape. Sounds really good to a Grand Jury. If you have done your job properly, the meat wagon will be all that is needed. The medics can just go back to the station and get some much needed sleep.:) You may also want to call your lawyer before talking to the police about the shooting. Most of the time LEO's are happy to see home invaders with so many holes in them that they have to be strained for fingerprints, but not all law enforcement officers feel that way.
John K
 
Unless your house is connected to a septic tank it has to have a pipe bringing water into the house and a pipe taking waste water out of the house. There has to be some sort of access to this pipe at surface level for inspections and such. Now with these deductions how hard is it to divert the waste pipe to collect evidence and quit endangering citizens and officers lives with this infantile mall ninja stupidity?

Any plumbers on the board want to double check my deductions and assumptions?


A place for inspections from the surface is rare. Mostly, the sewer line is several feet down and dropping as it gets closer to the street where the main line is. Not practical to do an intercept.

Santa Ana PD (southern California) did do just that to one big biker run drug operation 'bout 20 years ago. They had been trying to get these guys for a loooong time, but the BGs kept dogs. Cops show up, dogs give alarm, drugs get flushed, no convictions. So they set up a 'construction' project in the street. Under the cover of this bogus street repair, they tapped the sewer line and initiated a raid. Bingo - all the evidence they could want.

It's not hard to see that this approach is not practical on a wide scale. The expense, the traffic hassles, the public inconvenience, etc.

No-knocks are MUCH easier and MUCH more dramatic. READ: much more fun.

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Quartus:

No-knocks are MUCH easier and MUCH more dramatic. READ: much more fun.

That reminds me of a bit of research I did this semester. I came across an article written for police administrators on how to best employ officers with serious personality disorders. The suggestion for those with antisocial personality disorder (psychobabel for violent psychotics) was to put them on a warrant squad or SWAT entry team. The reasoning was that since they like violence and do not care about human life they will be more likely to use force and enjoy their job.

I am still trying to figure out why you wouldn't fire such a person, maybe union rules or something. :confused:
 
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Reference the fishing line, I've been doing this for thirty or more years: Take fishing line, run it about 18"-2' above ground around your position as far out as terrain allows. The start point will be an old fly reel attached to a stake you drive in the ground, tie to a tree, ect right by your head where you sleep. When something hits the line the spin/clicking will wake you up.
This if added to several boards with wood screws sticking through about 2" and placed in approaches to the doors will provide warning. The threads act as barbs and really make them hard to get out.

rk
 
That reminds me of a bit of research I did this semester. I came across an article written for police administrators on how to best employ officers with serious personality disorders. The suggestion for those with antisocial personality disorder (psychobabel for violent psychotics) was to put them on a warrant squad or SWAT entry team. The reasoning was that since they like violence and do not care about human life they will be more likely to use force and enjoy their job.

Source, please.
 
Mad Man:

Source, please.


Fortunately I haven't thrown out everything yet.

Police Personalities Understanding and Managing the Problem Officer

By Laurence Miller, Ph.D., Police Psychologist, West Palm Beach, Florida, Police Department

Appeared in the May 2003 issue (volume LXX, number 5) of The Police Chief The official publication of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, Inc.

The article is for real. you should have seen my face when I read it. Something like this: :what:
 
You know, there are lotsa companies that sell jackets that say SHERIFF, SWAT, or POLICE on them. Not too hard for some bad guys to fake a police outfit and do a fake no-knock raid.

Of course, thanks to SCOTUS, bad guys will now wait 10 seconds between knocking on the door and knocking down the door, knowing that the sheeple will say "Gee honey, they waited 10 seconds, they must be police!"
 
Police Personalities Understanding and Managing the Problem Officer


Appeared in the May 2003 issue (volume LXX, number 5) of The Police Chief The official publication of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, Inc.

Doesn't seem to be available online. Is there any way you could scan and post it? I'd be very interested in reading it.
 
carpettbaggerr,

I don't have a website to host the scans on. (Iwouldn't know how to go about doing it if I did anyways) If you want though PM me your e-mail address and I will see about sending you a copy.

If anyone else wants a copy just PM and I will try to do a mass mail sometime tomorrow. I hope I am not setting myself up for something massive here. Or if you feel like hosting this let me know.
 
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