Home Invasion Fear Escalates Hundreds Go To Turlock Meeting
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DontShootMe
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The day I got my first gun, I played this scenario in my head.
I decided that I'll take my chances shooting, cops or not. I've done nothing warranting a raid, and if they got the wrong house, they really got the WRONG house.
Sad but true. Aren't they (the LEO's) supposed to 'case' the place first, to confirm the illegal activity?
If not, too bad for all of us.
I decided that I'll take my chances shooting, cops or not. I've done nothing warranting a raid, and if they got the wrong house, they really got the WRONG house.
Sad but true. Aren't they (the LEO's) supposed to 'case' the place first, to confirm the illegal activity?
If not, too bad for all of us.
Frohickey
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fishing line set up to trigger a few pipes with 12gauge DragonsBreath ought to deter them.
Wasn't it Preacherman's friend that had his wife dispatch a couple of would-be burglars using this?
Wasn't it Preacherman's friend that had his wife dispatch a couple of would-be burglars using this?
Baba Louie
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Just your life and that of your family. I know, I know, you don't OWN them, but I'm sure you'd like to be able to SPEND them together.
The only thing in the house worthy of stopping someone from stealing for the good of society is... yeah, my firearms. I'd really, really hate for them to leave in the hands of ner-do-weels and eeeevil-doers knowing that they might be used to cause harm to others.
Stereo, TV... take them if you're man enough.
The knives and guns are MY TOYS and I do not share with others who do not ask nicely.
I'm glad all of these Californians got together to discuss how to stop this nonsense.
I'm sure that from a liability standpoint the official police response is to "give them what they want and don't get yourself hurt playing the hero". Likewise, I'm sure that each officer who would tell you that, will more than likely, tell you in private what he/she would do... and I'd bet a dozen Kispy Kremes that its not "give them what they want and don't get yourself hurt playing the hero"...
More like, "Give them what they deserve for breaking into your castle and placing your families lives in jeopardy".
But I could be wrong.
Adios
That would be very hard to do credibly in my case.
I've been repeatedly certified squeaky clean by the very folks (among others) that would have to make a case against me.
You know what's really sad about this?
People have had their houses mistakenly broken into by the police.
Just 15 miles from my house, the sheriff broke into a house and cuffed a woman and her children for a couple of hours until they figured out that some drug dealer turned informant (!!???) had given them the wrong address.
People have been shot and even killed when they resisted one of these screwed up warrant services.
But it's still going on.
IMO things won't change until LEOs start dying while serving a warrants on the wrong houses.
'til then, they're having to much fun to quit. And no, I'm not making that up or speculating. I was talking to a SWAT team member on Saturday and he mentioned how much he LOVED serving warrants...
Hardtarget
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This "wrong house/no knock" happened two (?) years ago in Lebanon Tn. The residents were the parents of my wifes co-worker. He came out with his shotgun...police shot him dead. If you plan to defend, get the real firepower, and start shooting early. Come hot to the fight...rifle at the ready, and shoot the first movement you see. If not, you'll be dead and they'll be saying "uh-oh". This kind of thing worries me a lot. There have been three home invasions close (one mile) to my house. Two were people my sons knew. I'm 53 now and I might look like a good target. Thats why I have chosen my screen name. Its more of an aspiration than an attained level. Don't you just hate living in "condition orange" all the time?
Me too.
Keep shooting
Hardtarget
Mark
Me too.
Keep shooting
Hardtarget
Mark
the_redstar_swl
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if this woes legal i Wood have some fishing line hooked up to 30 gal of agent Orange Ir scanners vid cams and the front Door Wood have a 1/5 in stile plate and if i cod get some land mines i Wood mine my front yard with them 
seeker_two
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On your list of rules add:
4-Use Spell-Check before posting...
mattd
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One of my friend's Dad is a crank addict and he got shot a few times and then charged with kicking a cops ??? with a bat after he got served a no knock search warrant, that didn't go anywhere but, who is the genius who thought up of this full proof plan anyways?
I was born and raised in Merced County. Don't be so quick to cry Sheeple. Much of the San Joaquin Valley is rural, and most of the people there are armed. And they ain't stupid. Merced County Sheriff's actually do issue CCWs, and they don't really make it a painful process either. I don't know about Stanislaus. (not sure I moved to Utah in '93)
Of course the cities are just like anywhere else. Merced is a pretty big town and it has a gang problem imported from Fresno. Modesto is even bigger and I'm sure it has just as many if not more problems.
However you could take the rural parts of the valley and drop them off in Idaho and nobody would notice.
The comment about not shooting the ditch bucks is because the valley has the most open air irrigation in the world. The ditch bucks are the guys that check the district's ditches and keep them clear and trouble free. So they are always blundering around in the dark on the ditch banks where there are problems. I imagine that they just don't want to get shot by somebody jumpy.
Of course the cities are just like anywhere else. Merced is a pretty big town and it has a gang problem imported from Fresno. Modesto is even bigger and I'm sure it has just as many if not more problems.
However you could take the rural parts of the valley and drop them off in Idaho and nobody would notice.
The comment about not shooting the ditch bucks is because the valley has the most open air irrigation in the world. The ditch bucks are the guys that check the district's ditches and keep them clear and trouble free. So they are always blundering around in the dark on the ditch banks where there are problems. I imagine that they just don't want to get shot by somebody jumpy.
atek3
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the_redstar_swl are you really a 13-yr old anarchist in firndale ca? because your post was too much
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the_redstar_swl
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atek3 yes i am 13 i consider myself a anarchist ( 
) of the peaceful-like type but every one i know thinks i just Krazy! im not a very good typist/speller i don't have a lot of money so i don't have a 22.lr yet but i want to get one
) of the peaceful-like type but every one i know thinks i just Krazy! im not a very good typist/speller i don't have a lot of money so i don't have a 22.lr yet but i want to get oneSilver Bullet
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[nitpick] Actually, the spell checker would not have caught most of the misspellings, because most of the misspellings are correct spellings for other words. [/nitpick]
gunsmith
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the_redstar_swl
welcome to THR!
I think most anarchist can become
libertarian/republicans if given a chance.
Don't go and get in serious trouble or take
drugs/drink cause the state may use that
against you & limit your capacity
to own firearms.
spelling comes with practice
lord knows I need help with it too
welcome to THR!
I think most anarchist can become
libertarian/republicans if given a chance.
Don't go and get in serious trouble or take
drugs/drink cause the state may use that
against you & limit your capacity
to own firearms.
spelling comes with practice
lord knows I need help with it too
RAY WOODROW 3RD
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Happened in NJ.....
There was a crew of people who would dress all in black and raid drug houses shouting that they were the police. They would tie everybody up and steal the drugs and the money that was in the house. It worked for a while until one of the drug dealers called the cops and reported that people claiming to be the police broke into his home and stole his drugs and drug money.
(I think he was smoking the crack pipe a little too long to do that!)
There was a crew of people who would dress all in black and raid drug houses shouting that they were the police. They would tie everybody up and steal the drugs and the money that was in the house. It worked for a while until one of the drug dealers called the cops and reported that people claiming to be the police broke into his home and stole his drugs and drug money.
(I think he was smoking the crack pipe a little too long to do that!)
seeker_two
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Silver Bullet: I know, but he's 13 and still has a chance to learn proper English and grammar. Guess the teacher part of me slipped out...
gunsmith: It's far too late for us old folks....
gunsmith: It's far too late for us old folks....
redstar:
You need to sit down, calm down and think a little more about what you say and how you say it. You're very young and it shows. Grandiose claims about wanton actions might be fodder for the treehouse, but will not impress adults. Your age explains a lot, but still you manage to worry me. You can learn a lot here, and about a lot more than firearms. I hope you'll stick around and do that. Ed
You need to sit down, calm down and think a little more about what you say and how you say it. You're very young and it shows. Grandiose claims about wanton actions might be fodder for the treehouse, but will not impress adults. Your age explains a lot, but still you manage to worry me. You can learn a lot here, and about a lot more than firearms. I hope you'll stick around and do that. Ed
Tommy Gunn
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They residents at the meeting should have been told to get a dog in the yard and a shotgun in the house.
I've always liked my setup: the addition of steel, lockable storm doors. The one I have cannot be lock-picked (no external key), plus they have a glass portion on top. If a perp is trying to get past it, it will be a noisy afair and it will buy me time, allowing me to collect my "friends" for an encounter. At night, I always answer the door with a sidearm in my right hand (behind the main door) and can address visitors behind the storm door. If it is a friend, the I can simply unlock the storm door....
oh yeah, storm windows too.
oh yeah, storm windows too.
coylh
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This may be a bit off-thread, but I thought that both the raid-cops and we could be made safer by having a door which would delay their entry long enough to establish identity. Think:
(crunch, pound pound pound!) "Open up in there, dammit!"
"Who is it?"
"Townville Police, open up!"
"Turn on your police car's siren and lights please, and I will open the door."
No homeowners hurt, no police hurt. So, the question is, what kind of exterior door would effectively prevent a dynamic entry team breech?
(crunch, pound pound pound!) "Open up in there, dammit!"
"Who is it?"
"Townville Police, open up!"
"Turn on your police car's siren and lights please, and I will open the door."
No homeowners hurt, no police hurt. So, the question is, what kind of exterior door would effectively prevent a dynamic entry team breech?
Smoke
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Re: Fishing line...
Sounds like a good use for Rat-Trap Claymores.
Sounds like a good use for Rat-Trap Claymores.
Zundfolge
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Entry proof doors and other security measures are nice, but the best solution is to just outlaw no-knock warrants in the first place ... no sense in risking the lives of officers or innocent people with all this rambo nonsense (but what do you expect when you give cops MP5s and SpecOps ninja suits ... THEY ARE NOT THE G-D MILITARY!).
Detachment Charlie
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re: No-Knock Warrants
If somebody with a mask and a gun breaks into my house, Tonto better be right behind him, otherwise he's a dead #$%.
The guy who said this to me was my father, a retired big city cop, with a .357, a bad attitude and great reflexes.
No-knock warrants, featuring masked ninja, super wannabe warrior cops, are very, very bad things. Each time i see one of these portrayed on TV, all I can think of is replacing the English sound track with Spanish and it could be any South American, banana republic death squad.
But, as we all know, "Drugs are bad, mmkay."
If somebody with a mask and a gun breaks into my house, Tonto better be right behind him, otherwise he's a dead #$%.
The guy who said this to me was my father, a retired big city cop, with a .357, a bad attitude and great reflexes.
No-knock warrants, featuring masked ninja, super wannabe warrior cops, are very, very bad things. Each time i see one of these portrayed on TV, all I can think of is replacing the English sound track with Spanish and it could be any South American, banana republic death squad.
But, as we all know, "Drugs are bad, mmkay."
grampster
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Redstar,
Welcome to THR. This forum will provide you with some seriously important information about firearms, hunting etc. But please know it is also a forum with a lot of adults who bluster and claim to take actions that are not necessarily realistic reactions to situations. Some of what you read here is fantasy and you need a little more seasoning to be able to see the difference between real things and some bluster on the internet.
You are a young person with a lot to learn and also enjoy in your life. Do not close yourself off from the wonder of being a kid living in our great free country by trying to be too adult too soon. It is better for you to be a kid and not take too many things too seriously for awhile yet.
It might be better for you to visit some of the other sites in this forum to learn about the various types of firearms, hunting, reloading, etc and leave the general and political chat room till you get a bit older. It is important for you to understand the freedoms we enjoy in America and how some would try and take that freedom away, but don't allow yourself to be so caught up in the seriousness of life too soon. Don't be putting labels on yourself like "anarchist" till you are old enough and seasoned enough to understand the impact of those types of labels. By labeling yourself, you invite others to treat you badly. You don't need to bring that sort of thing on yourself. Human nature is a strange thing, redstar. Sometimes you are unfairly judged by others; not your fault, but reality is harsh sometimes. You are a kid, hang on to that label for as long as you can. I'm 60 and still a kid. It's better that way, trust me.
Grampster
Welcome to THR. This forum will provide you with some seriously important information about firearms, hunting etc. But please know it is also a forum with a lot of adults who bluster and claim to take actions that are not necessarily realistic reactions to situations. Some of what you read here is fantasy and you need a little more seasoning to be able to see the difference between real things and some bluster on the internet.
You are a young person with a lot to learn and also enjoy in your life. Do not close yourself off from the wonder of being a kid living in our great free country by trying to be too adult too soon. It is better for you to be a kid and not take too many things too seriously for awhile yet.
It might be better for you to visit some of the other sites in this forum to learn about the various types of firearms, hunting, reloading, etc and leave the general and political chat room till you get a bit older. It is important for you to understand the freedoms we enjoy in America and how some would try and take that freedom away, but don't allow yourself to be so caught up in the seriousness of life too soon. Don't be putting labels on yourself like "anarchist" till you are old enough and seasoned enough to understand the impact of those types of labels. By labeling yourself, you invite others to treat you badly. You don't need to bring that sort of thing on yourself. Human nature is a strange thing, redstar. Sometimes you are unfairly judged by others; not your fault, but reality is harsh sometimes. You are a kid, hang on to that label for as long as you can. I'm 60 and still a kid. It's better that way, trust me.
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