Homeland Insecurity-Training of Guards at Nuclear Arms Plants Inadequate

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Homeland Security :)barf: I hate that term, I wonder when the Administration is going to start referring to CONUS as The Fatherland) is an issue that the administrtion is weak on. It's a total disaster. We federalized the airport screeners in an attempt to fool the public into thinking we're doing something about it, yet we refuse to protect our infrastructure.

I hate to say it, but Kerry is right when he blasts the administration on this issue. I have no faith that a Kerry administration would do any better considering the actual dollar amount real security would cost. That would surely strip money away from politically popular programs that redistribute wealth in this country. I guess we get the government we deserve. But the actual defense of the nation is the big thing that government is supposed to do, but they sure don't do an adequate job...That would cost money...
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Training of guards at nuclear arms plants is called inadequate
By TED BRIDIS
The Associated Press
03/17/2004

Internal report
raises concern about
terrorist attacks Exercises have been cut


WASHINGTON - Nuclear weapons plants have eliminated or reduced training for guards responsible for repelling terrorist attacks, leaving the government unable to guarantee the plants can be adequately defended, the Energy Department's internal watchdog said Tuesday.

One plant has reduced training hours by 40 percent, and some plants conduct tactical training only in classrooms, according to a report from the department's inspector general.

Some contractors fear that injuries among guards during training exercises could reduce bonus payments from the government, the report says. Guards typically receive 320 hours of training.

Only one of 10 plants surveyed - Hanford, Wash. - trains guards in the basic use of a shotgun, the report says. None of the plants teaches guards how to rappel down buildings or cliffs because of concerns that guards might be injured. The report notes that one guard died rappelling in 1995.

"Inconsistent training methods may increase the risk that the department's protective forces will not be able to safely respond to security incidents or will use excessive levels of force," says the report, prepared by Inspector General Gregory H. Friedman's office. It says changes in training weren't coordinated. At some plants training was deemed too dangerous; other plants continued to offer the same exercises. Investigators interviewed instructors who "could not understand how personnel at one site could deem a practice acceptable while others would refuse to administer the block of training using prescribed levels of force."

The National Nuclear Security Administration, which protects nuclear plants, said in response to the inspector general's report that training for guards has suffered because of overtime demands at weapons plants. It promised to review training to make sure it was adequate.

The criticisms were the latest leveled against the government's ability to protect nuclear facilities, long considered prime targets for espionage and terrorist attacks.

The inspector general complained in January that security guards who repelled four simulated terrorist attacks at the Y-12 weapons plant in Tennessee had been tipped in advance. The plant processes parts for nuclear weapons and maintains vast supplies of bomb-grade uranium.

That earlier report determined that at least two guards defending the mock attacks had been allowed to look at computer simulations one day before the attacks. It also uncovered more evidence of cheating during mock attacks against U.S. nuclear plants over the past two decades.

The newest report says some of the nation's weapons plants aren't adequately training guards how to use handcuffs, fight hand-to-hand or defend against terrorists in vehicles. In some cases, mock fighting during exercises is performed in slow motion to avoid injuries.

"Defense tactics training should be as realistic as possible," the inspector general's report says. "Anything less may rob the trainee of the exposure to the levels of force, panic, and confusion that are usually present during an actual attack and increase the possibility of an inappropriate response in high stress situations."

The report says all 10 weapons plants surveyed have reduced guard training in at least two important areas.

The plants were the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif.; the Nevada Test Site near Nellis Air Force Base; the Oak Ridge Complex in Oak Ridge, Tenn.; the Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site near Denver; the Hanford Site; Sandia National Laboratories in California; the Pantex Plant in Amarillo, Texas; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico; and the Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory.
 
Living less than 50 miles from such a facility has inspired me to consider taking a massive pay cut and getting into this field. It is reports like this that have me stuck considering rather than doing. I have no doubts that there are some excellent personnel manning many of these positions, but based on my research they are the exception rather than the rule. We need dedicated, highly paid, well trained ass kickers guarding these facilities, not rent-a-cops making less than 10$/hr.
 
How much training should guards recieve? Enough training to repel invaders until the cavalry arrives. It is a purely defensive stance at site.

Upon the commencement of attack the plant should go into lockdown and all doors and gates sealed. Fields of fire should have already been pre-established. The internal security of the plant should be on a need to know basis so that even several guards being taken cannot provide tactical info sufficient to establish successful breach plans.

Motion detectors, heat sensors, and infra-red cameras as well as other detection devices are amply and well placed throughout site and its forward areas. Access to only relevant areas is allowed to guards on an assignment basis. A does not have access to B and so on.

Oh Hell! I am not an expert but training enough to hold out 3 to 4 hours against a determined enemy. Hold until troops can be brought to bear and catch attackers between defensive positions and an offensive action.

Simply put...Hunker down and shoot the livin #%@$ out of anything that ain't us until the cavalry arrive. Defenders have an advantage over offense unless offense can bring in superior numbers or overwhelming firepower.

If I am a bad guy there are simply too many other "soft" targets available to try this tactic.

Training, for guards, should be specific and concentrated on areas that help in defensive mode. If more money always made a difference than the NYC school system should be turning out geniuses.

We don't need a Delta Force. We only need a determined defensive unit fighting with the knowledge that Fort Zindenuff will be relieved presently!

Those are my amateur musings on the subject. Asbestos underwear being donned as I post!:D
 
Path,
The staffing level at these facilities is not high enough to circle the wagons, stack magazines and straighten the pins on your grenades in a defensive posture. The facilities are physically too large and the security forces too small. There are plenty of professionals in DOE. Experienced, dedicated and well trained. The problem is that there are not enough of them and the training has been cut back to cut down on workman's comp claims etc. The you have to look at the response time of the calvalry. Many of these facilities are located in rural areas where the local police are even more undermanned and outgunned. So where is the cavalry going to come from.

This report doesn't even address many non-nuclear facilities like pipeline terminals and tank farms that would be high value targets and have no security to speak of.

Jeff
 
None of the plants teaches guards how to rappel down buildings or cliffs
Hmmmmm. Dangerously undertrained. How could they possibly guard the plant or defend against terrorists without knowing how to rappel down a cliff. Let's throw more money at the "problem" and pay them overtime to learn this vital skill.
 
There are guards at nuclear power plants?

About 2 weeks ago the local TV station took a crew into the Oyster Creek Nuclear Power plant in New Jersey. Through the open gates, drove all around. Didn't run across one guard. Filmed the whole thing and showed it on the evening news.

Wonderful!
 
Jeff,

Might it be harder for terrorist groups to operate in rural areas where the might stand out? As I will continuously state, I am not an expert. I am just a layman on this issue. I am all for better and more security at all times. If more is to be spent then we should assess where it might be best spent.

I am not a security expert. I do think that the issue will come down to unguarded targets like pipelines and gas storage facilities. Wasn't there a thread on here that had something to do with a security guard at a gas facility being shot?

Other soft targets will include:

Rail lines and subways in large metropolitan areas.

Derailments of trains carrying hazardous material.

Suicide vectors - suicide terrorists who are purposely infected with highly contagious diseases such as Ebola or Marburg or other pathogens and then introduced into highly populated areas like New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

Simultaneous attacks on several elementary and middle schools with automatic weapons fire and explosives. I t would virtually shut the nation down as every parent left work to get their kids.

Blowing up a tanker on the George Washington or Golden Gate Bride.
The tanker would work like a blow toch in a tunnel like the Licoln or Mid-Town Tunnels in New York.

Starting forest fires to wreak economic havoc.

There are just so many ways to strike that you cannot possibly defend against all. Maybe the best way to fight is to use intelligence and strike pre-emptively!

I think more is better if you can get the money and the training. It sure as heck could not hurt. In the end I think you need to equip and train to hold for as long as necessary then until help arrives. I have not seen the report
as you have but I believe that you are right that more can and should be done if deficiencies are found.
 
WT- That is a typical tactic of the TV news, they go to a nuclear plant, go thru a open gate to property owned by the power company and drive around with their cameras claiming they got in the plant and look how lax the security is. What they don't say is that they are only on property that is surrounded by a fence that goes around the plant and are actually no where near the plant itself and could not do any damage if they were terrorists. They don't see any security because they are in areas that are open to the public or general company traffic and are not relavent to the security of the plant. I am speaking as a Security Officer at a Nuclear Plant with 20 years on the job.
 
"The inspector general complained in January that security guards who repelled four simulated terrorist attacks at the Y-12 weapons plant in Tennessee had been tipped in advance. The plant processes parts for nuclear weapons and maintains vast supplies of bomb-grade uranium."

I'm showing my ignorance here, but how do you do it without tipping them off? Considering Al Quaeda type tactics, I mean? If I'm an armed guard and you are simulating a terrorist attack, I'm going to shoot you when I see you waving your AK and yelling "Allah Akhbar!" or crashing a truck through the gate or whatnot. Or do the simulated BG's just try to sneak in?
I'm not so sure the training is inappropriate considering the projected threat, although the no shotgun training is ominous. What are these guards carrying normally?

(Edited for clarity)
 
We need dedicated, highly paid, well trained ass kickers guarding these facilities, not rent-a-cops making less than 10$/hr.

I don't about the other places, but the guards at the Pantex plant in Amarillo seem to be getting paid fairly well.

A whole heck of a lot of them have been through the local Police Academy and are reserve officers at smaller departments around the Panhandle.

Or used to be, anyway. Things might have changed since I left up there.

LawDog
 
Lawdog is correct; I make over $20.00 an hour and our training exceeds that of most L. E. agencies in this area. We use local off-duty deputies in outlying areas and at the gate to our parking lots because they do not have the required training mandated by the goverment.
 
Aha! I kind of figured something was up with the article... about 85% of the time I see an article in a gun magazine about Thunder Ranch, Front Site, Gunsite, and on and on and on, there's a nuclear power plant response team in the class with the author. I think I even read one or two about them sending people to sniper courses, or maybe saw it on Discovery. Either way, I'm all for upping their training budget; I'm downwind.
 
If the task is defending hard targtes such as nuclear reactors and weapons grade materials, then I submit it would be better to have a "para military" force in charge of such.

I am almost positive that there is a wealth of Marines and Soldiers departing the service that would have the basic skills necessary to repel invaders and to also provide the proper security vis a vis the "sneaky" ones.

These personnel already know the drill, have extensive training, may have combat experience, and know how to follow orders. They are also very familiar with the type of weapons and tactics necessary to secure these vital targets.

I do not believe the LE approach is adequate for this duty.

Just a thought.
 
Security Police Officer positions at Pantex typically require a high school degree and previous Security-related experience. All applicants must also successfully complete a one-half mile run in less than four minutes and 40 seconds, as well as a 40 yard dash from a prone position in less than 8.5 seconds. This fitness test is an annual requirement.

I am sorry, but those physical requirements are a little light. Maybe for a desk job they would be OK.

Large facilities with a 1/2 mile run requirement? Marines require a 3-mile test and even the Army requires a 2-mile test.
 
Seems to me this is an oooooold news article. I remember reading it on the net some weeks, if not months, ago. VERY shortly after it was released.
Point is; it's being recycled-for some reason. Maybe space filler.......This may have even been on one of the other boards; get with the program. NOT a dig at the poster; just the 'paper that printed it..........
I WAS rather concerned when I read it, but the sun came up the next day; and the day after that, and this morning.........:scrutiny:
 
citzen,
I hadn't seen it before. But you're right the sun has been coming up, but you know what, the sun came up on schedule on 12 September 2001, just like it did on the day before....

As a nation we are faced with funding real security or social programs. It's clear there won't be sufficient money for both.

Jeff
 
it sure sucks. my favorite was hearing they cut training cause they didnt want them to get hurt:rolleyes:

I live 12 miles within a facility myself. on cold day can see the exhaust from 15 miles away. thinking of moving to a state without nuclear facilities.:uhoh:

east half of country is pretty much out that list.
 
Nuke plant about 15 miles from me on Lake Erie. Last summer, a private citizen in his boat reached shore less that 100 yards from the "cooling tower" or whatever it is you call that sort of hour-glass shaped structure where you see the steam rising over it.

Never saw any form of security/police/fed, etc anywhere around.

Hmmmmm Maybe time to start re-issueing all those mothballed WWII PT Boats & weapons. Like the 40MM Bofors Cannon. One round from that, just below the incoming boats "on-plane" waterline. . . . .
 
I'm with PATH on this one. Plants just need the ability to lock down immediately and effectively and wait until a real response team gets there. So they should feature a strong and tight facility with good comms to the outside world. I think there are dangers that realistically far outweigh that of the nuke plant invasion.

TC
TFL Survivor
 
How could they possibly guard the plant or defend against terrorists without knowing how to rappel down a cliff. Let's throw more money at the "problem" and pay them overtime to learn this vital skill.
Personally, I'm all for the security staff of nuclear facilities knowing how to rappel down cliffs, fight zombies, parachute into combat zones while mixing martinis on the way down, dance the waltz, etc.
Its one of those jobs where I feel that no level of training is 'too much'.
 
Don't believe everything you read. At least in the East Tennessee area, there is a lot more going on than DOE will reveal, and there are some politics involved with the DOE reports.
 
Here, the nuke plant security teams are all contract security. Wackenhut and Coastal have the contracts. Average pay is about 12 bucks an hour for the guards.
 
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