Homeland paranoia: Scientific supply company home raided

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From Wired News. Lovely country this is becoming. Ever had a chemistry set when you were a kid? Now you must be a TERRORIST or METH COOK if you want one! :barf: The first part of the article recalls a 2003 incident, the rest goes into new laws enacted since. Did you know it's illegal to buy an unregistered Erlenmeyer flask in Texas?
Don't Try This at Home
Garage chemistry used to be a rite of passage for geeky kids. But in their search for terrorist cells and meth labs, authorities are making a federal case out of DIY science.
By Steve Silberman

Feature:
Don't Try This at Home
Plus:
DIY Science
The first startling thing Joy White saw out of her bedroom window was a man running toward her door with an M16. White’s husband, a physicist named Bob Lazar, was already outside, awakened by their barking dogs. Suddenly police officers and men in camouflage swarmed up the path, hoisting a battering ram. “Come out with your hands up immediately, Miss White!” one of them yelled through a megaphone, while another handcuffed the physicist in his underwear. Recalling that June morning in 2003, Lazar says, “If they were expecting to find Osama bin Laden, they brought along enough guys.”

The target of this operation, which involved more than two dozen police officers and federal agents, was not an international terrorist ring but the couple’s home business, United Nuclear Scientific Supplies, a mail-order outfit that serves amateur scientists, students, teachers, and law enforcement professionals. From the outside, company headquarters – at the end of a dirt road high in the Sandia Mountains east of Albuquerque – looks like any other ranch house in New Mexico, with three dogs, a barbecue, and an SUV in the driveway. But not every suburban household boasts its own particle accelerator. A stroll through the backyard reveals what looks like a giant Van de Graaff generator with a pipe spiraling out of it, marked with CAUTION: RADIATION signs. A sticker on the SUV reads POWERED BY HYDROGEN, while another sign by the front gate warns, TRESPASSERS WILL BE USED FOR SCIENCE EXPERIMENTS.

Science experiments are United Nuclear’s business. The chemicals available on the company’s Web site range from ammonium dichromate (the main ingredient in the classic science-fair volcano) to zinc oxide powder (which absorbs UV light). Lazar and White also sell elements like sodium and mercury, radioactive minerals, and geeky curiosities like aerogel, an ultralightweight foam developed by NASA to capture comet dust. The Department of Homeland Security buys the company’s powerful infrared flashlights by the case; the Mythbusters guys on the Discovery Channel recently picked up 10 superstrong neodymium magnets. (These come with the sobering caveat: “Beware – you must think ahead when moving these magnets … Loose metallic objects and other magnets may become airborne and fly considerable distances.”) Fire departments in Nevada and California send for United Nuclear’s Geiger counters and uranium ore to train hazmat crews.

A former employee of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, the 47-year-old Lazar radiates a boyish enthusiasm for science and gadgets. White, 50, is a trim licensed aesthetician who does herbal facials for local housewives while helping her husband run the company. When the officers determined that Lazar and White posed no physical threat, they freed the couple from their handcuffs and produced a search warrant. United Nuclear’s computers and business records were carted off in a van.

The search was initiated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, a federal agency best known for instigating recalls of faulty cribs and fire-prone space heaters. The CPSC’s concern with United Nuclear was not the uranium, the magnets, or the backyard accelerator. It was the chemicals – specifically sulfur, potassium perchlorate, and powdered aluminum, all of which can be used to make illegal fireworks. The agency suspected that Lazar and White were selling what amounted to kits for making M-80s, cherry bombs, and other prohibited items; such kits are banned by the CPSC under the Federal Hazardous Substances Act.

“We are not just a recall agency,” explains CPSC spokesperson Scott Wolfson. “We have turned our attention to the chemical components used in the manu-facture of illegal fireworks, which can cause amputations and death.” A 2004 study by the agency found that 2 percent of fireworks-related injuries that year were caused by homemade or altered fireworks; the majority involved the mishandling of commercial firecrackers, bottle rockets, and sparklers. Nonetheless, Wolfson says, “we’ve fostered a very close relationship with the Justice Department and we’re out there on the Internet looking to see who is promoting these core chemicals. Fireworks is one area where we’re putting people in prison.”

The rest of the article, too long to post here, is at http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.06/chemistry_pr.html
 
It should be noted that the anti-gun-owner crowd wants the CPSC to have jurisdiction over firearms and ammo for the same reasons as why the CPSC went after this couple: "public safety". . . only through the efforts of pro-gun-owner Fed legislators has this crusade been DOA at the capitol building . . .

“We are not just a recall agency,” explains CPSC spokesperson Scott Wolfson. “We have turned our attention to the chemical components used in the manu-facture of illegal fireworks, which can cause amputations and death.”
 
It should be noted that the anti-gun-owner crowd wants the CPSC to have jurisdiction over firearms and ammo for the same reasons as why the CPSC went after this couple: "public safety". . . only through the efforts of pro-gun-owner Fed legislators has this crusade been DOA at the capitol building . . .

:eek: I did NOT know that. Holy...

If people think BATFE is bad, imagine THAT. They'd start treating the entire blackpowder and muzzleloading scene as suspected bomb makers. :barf:
 
From that very article:

In the meantime, more than 30 states have passed laws to restrict sales of chemicals and lab equipment associated with meth production, which has resulted in a decline in domestic meth labs, but makes things daunting for an amateur chemist shopping for supplies. It is illegal in Texas, for example, to buy such basic labware as Erlenmeyer flasks or three-necked beakers without first registering with the state’s Department of Public Safety to declare that they will not be used to make drugs. Among the chemicals the Portland, Oregon, police department lists online as “commonly associated with meth labs” are such scientifically useful compounds as liquid iodine, isopropyl alcohol, sulfuric acid, and hydrogen peroxide, along with chemistry glassware and pH strips. Similar lists appear on hundreds of Web sites.

Looks like that's a valid claim, too. From the Texas DPS site, the PDF to apply for purchasing such restricted items:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/nar-121.pdf

And a list. $4000 fine, apparently, for owning one without the appropriate forms?

Texas Lab Equipment requiring a permit
A. Condensers
B. Distilling Apparatus
C. Vacuum Dryers
D. Three-Necked Flask
E. Distilling Flask
F. Tableting Machine
G. Encapsulating Machine
H. (1) Filter Funnel
(2) Buchner Funnel
(3) Separatory Funnel
I. (l) Erlenmeyer flask
(2) Two-Necked Flask
(3) Single Necked Flask
(4) Round Bottom Flask
(5) Florence Flask
(6) Thermometer Flask
(7) Filtering Flask
J. Soxhlet Extractor
K. Transformers
L. Flask Heater
M. Heating Mantle
N. Adaptor Tube


I had no idea...
 
scary, I know

here is one example:

http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2827/information_show.htm?doc_id=154494

In 1974, the Committee for Hand Gun Control, Inc. petitioned the CPSC to ban the sale, distribution, and manufacture of handgun ammunition under the Federal Hazardous Substances Act,27 which is administered by the CPSC. The CPSC found that ammunition fell within the definition of hazardous substances under the law, but nevertheless denied the petition based on the commissioners' assertion that a ban on ammunition would effectively be a ban on handguns, and therefore was outside the scope of CPSC's authority. The petitioner appealed the decision, and the court, finding that the CPSC had jurisdiction over ammunition, ordered the CPSC to consider the petition on its merits.28

In response, Congress in 1976 enacted the Consumer Product Safety Act, which contained the following provision: "The Consumer Product Safety Commission shall make no ruling or order that restricts the manufacture or sale of firearms, firearms ammunition, or components of firearms ammunition, including black powder or gun powder for firearms."29

In recent years, several members of Congress have introduced bills to amend the Consumer Product Safety Act and allow the CPSC to exercise jurisdiction over firearms. None of these bills have passed.30 Over the years, Congress has thus kept the CPSC from overseeing the safe design of firearms.

The VPC/Handgun Free America/Physicians For Social Responsibility, etc. would prefer that ATF be the regulatory body. (See http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/treascp.htm)
 
AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!

United Nuclear Scientific Supplies are the same set of people working on a retail kit to convert gasline powered automobiles to run on hydrogen. http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

Man, I hope I never get "raided". I've got a couple of old baffled Erlenmeyer flasks, graduated pipettes and the like from my days in Biotech. I also have several bottles of pH strips, reagents to determine pH, KH, GH, Nitrate/Nitrite/Phosphorus levels, some ion exchange resins to grab up P, Cl, NOx and assorted organics from a water stream, high intensity lights and several exotic species from around the world.* I MUST be up to no good....

For some odd reason, I'm reminded of this passage from another "******* peice of paper!"...
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

* - Just a note for you bozos at the NSA, all those items are paraphernalia used in keeping tropical fish. :neener:
 

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And I remember lab glassware coming in chemistry sets from Gilbert and Skil-Craft . . . I guess if any have been handed down, there are a LOT of little felons-in-training ready to be snatched out of their third grade classes by Texas narcs . . . and I probably would've been regarded as Scarface Junior if they'd seen the labware I had in my corner of the basement by the time I was in 7th or 8th grade.

Ayn Rand wrote that government only has power over people when they break the law . . . and when laws are on the books that NO reasonable man would expect to even exist, well, you connect the dots. :(

More and more, my .sig line seems appropriate . . .
 
And they needed a raid like this because...? Maybe they wanted to make sure that particle accelerator didn't get flushed down the toilet. :rolleyes:
 
It is scary...

...that enuf AINOs [Americans In Name Only] can be found to train as gov't thugs to man these operations. Of course, the gov't can't find real Americans to do the job. The very definition of a real American is one who will not under any circumstances participate in gov't thuggery.

rr
 
The CPSC’s concern with United Nuclear was not the uranium, the magnets, or the backyard accelerator. It was the chemicals – specifically sulfur, potassium perchlorate, and powdered aluminum, all of which can be used to make illegal fireworks.

That the catylist in Tannerite guys! I used to order it from skylighter to make my own tannerite but wow now I don't know if I will again?
 
A. Patriot

It sure sounds like the same Bob Lazar. They made reference to his previous employment at Los Alamos and his age(47) is about right.
 
Knowledge is power...

Soon it will require a permit to own certain chemistry and physics books.

The goal isn't to stop "terrorists", as terrorists typically use factory-manufactured explosives supplied to them by states like Iran, the goal is to dumb-down Americans so that we are helpless.
 
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This one right ticks me off.

I was into the pyrotechnics scene for a long time and while expensive, United Nuclear was one of the important suppliers.

I guess I shouldn't tell the NSA/CPSC/ATF guys this:

Hey government goons, you can make a primary explosive from hydrogen peroxide (drug store), acetone (hardware store), and mineral acid (hardware or automotive store). Ssssh! Don't tell anybody! It's a secret!

If they're going to try to ban consumer level 'bomb making materials' they're about four centuries too late. All they're really doing is irritating the pyrotech and scientific crowd, and making it that much harder for people to actually pursue an interest or career in chemistry, energetic materials, or physics.

By raiding suppliers and locking people up for having a hobby that some suit doesn't agree with all they're doing is reducing the number of scientists and researchers who can eventually work for the government. You know, those guys in the white lab coats who design those weapons you go around threatening law abiding hobbyists and researchers with? Yeah, those guys.

The side effect is creeping incrementalism - The steady march of government agencies fueled by paranoia and mindless hysteria slowly but surely trying to make everything illegal, and getting everybody good and used to it. Give them another 50 years and it will be illegal to buy diesel, paint thinner, paint itself, tools, fasteners, electrical components, sporting goods (bats, sticks, balls...) , guns, ammo, or raw metals. 'Cause, you know, any one of those things could be used in a weapon!. The only thing it'll be legal to buy are big SUV's, Sony/BMG CD's and DVD's, cell phones, and McDonald's.

It's been proven time and time and time again that organized terrorists use commercial or military explosives that have been illicitly bought or stolen. McVeigh, if we're to believe the initial report (and I don't) used several tons of ammonium nitrate sensitized with gasoline and initiated with commercial dynamite. If we're to believe the black helicopter crowd there was also commercial dynamite placed in the building prior.

The terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan are using stolen military Semtex, primarly, along with improvised explosives made from large amounts of ammonium nitrate. They're not buying this stuff in grams and ounces over the internet!
 
And they needed a raid like this because...?

Because, now you are guilty until you prove that you are innocent.

Hey government goons, you can make a primary explosive from hydrogen peroxide (drug store), acetone (hardware store), and mineral acid (hardware or automotive store). Ssssh! Don't tell anybody! It's a secret!

You forgot gasoline at the local filling station.
 
It seems like someone in the goverment actually read, understood and decided to do something about these words:

"You can confiscate my knowledge of how to make a cylinder, closed at one end, containing an explosive or combustible material and plugged with a small object that can be propelled out of said cylinder when you pry it from my cold, dead mind."
 
talk about "dumbing down!"

The chemophobia that’s put a damper on home science has also invaded America’s classrooms, where hands-on labs are being replaced by liability-proof teacher demonstrations with the explicit message Don’t try this at home. A guide for teachers of grades 7 through 12 issued by the American Chemical Society in 2001 makes the prospect of an hour in the lab seem fraught with peril: “Every chemical, without exception, is hazardous. Did you know that oxygen is poisonous if inhaled at a concentration a bit greater than its natural concentration in the air?” More than half of the suggested experiments in a multimedia package for schools called “You Be the Chemist,” created in 2004 by the Chemical Educational Foundation, are to be performed by the teacher alone, leaving students to blow up balloons (with safety goggles in place) or answer questions like “How many pretzels can you eat in a minute?”
. . . .

Many students are ill at ease when faced with actual compounds and lab equipment for the first time at school. A study of “chemistry anxiety” in the Journal of Chemical Education concluded in 2000 that “the presence of this anxiety in our students could be a contributing factor in the overall poor performance of high school students in science.” (Commonly reported fears included “lighting the Bunsen burner,” “fire,” and “getting chemicals on skin.”)

:mad: :confused:

And people wonder why India and China are kicking our butt in the race to produce hard science graduates . . . .
 
You forgot gasoline at the local filling station.

Gasoline isn't a primary or high explosive. At best the vapors are a low order explosive and at worst it's a plain old incendiary.
 
You scientific-type guys keep this up and you're going to get all our computers confiscated by Herr Gonzales.

Speaking of the good Mr. Alberto Himmler, the House leadership is making vague threats about impeaching the Nazi ba$****. To me that would be the best thing the Republican leadership could do to win back my support.
 
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