Homeland Security Chief Tells of Plan to Stabilize Border

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For some reason I have about as much belief in this story as I do Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Great Pumpkin.
If they want to stablize the borders, put out a call for the MInute Men and arm them Assault Weapons. Very low cost solution.

Homeland Security Chief Tells of Plan to Stabilize Border
By ERIC LIPTON
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/p...&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

WASHINGTON, Aug. 23 -Acknowledging public frustration over illegal immigrants, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Tuesday that the federal government's border control efforts must be significantly strengthened.

"We have decided to stand back and take a look at how we address the problem and solve it once and for all," Mr. Chertoff said at a breakfast meeting with reporters. "The American public is rightly distressed about a situation in which they feel we do not have the proper control over our borders."

The unusually blunt assessment by the nation's top immigration official follows border-related emergency declarations by the governors of New Mexico and Arizona, who cited a surge in smuggling and violence associated with a steady flow of illegal immigrants.

The strategy that Mr. Chertoff said his department was preparing goes far beyond hiring more Border Patrol agents and installing more surveillance cameras, infrared and motion detectors, and fences, initiatives that are already planned or under way.

In addition to those apprehension efforts, the secretary intends to bolster the deportation process so that an overwhelmed detention system does not cause illegal immigrants to be set free instead of being sent home. He plans to add beds for detainees, expedite deportations by making more judges and lawyers available, and try to track down more illegal immigrants who do not appear for deportation hearings.

Over the last decade, the number of Border Patrol agents has climbed to about 11,000 from 4,000. The number of arrests of illegal migrants along the border, meanwhile, a figure that had dropped after the Sept. 11 attacks, has surged in the last couple of years, and again tops more than a million annually.

So many illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico are being caught - 142,500 so far this fiscal year, compared with 39,555 in all of 2000 - that thousands are released within the United States before deportation proceedings because there is not enough space at detention centers.

"If you have not arranged for the beds, you have not arranged to remove them, you are going to have to release them," Mr. Chertoff said. "That is completely a waste of time."

Homeland Security officials have provided no estimate of how much the secretary's new initiatives will cost. The government is already spending $7.3 billion a year in border-related expenses, they say, a 58 percent increase since the Sept. 11 terrorism.

Mr. Chertoff, a former federal prosecutor and judge who took over the Homeland Security Department in February, is far from the first Washington official to promise a solution to the border control problem. But in his remarks at Tuesday's breakfast, sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, he said his staff was mapping every mile of the Mexican border and preparing estimates of how many illegal immigrants use each of the various entry corridors so he could best decide how to deploy 1,000 or so new Border Patrol agents Congress appears likely to provide for the coming year.

The department will also then identify where it should place as many as 2,250 new detention beds that will be financed in next year's budget, a 10 percent increase. It also plans to place immigration judges closer to detention centers and allocate more money for lawyers who argue deportation cases on behalf of the government, increasing capacity in part by simply deporting illegal immigrants faster, a Homeland Security official said after Mr. Chertoff spoke.

The new campaign also entails an eventual doubling of the number of fugitive search teams to track down those who do not show up for deportation hearings, the official said. Further, the Homeland Security Department is working with the State Department to speed action on visa applications by students, workers and tourists, in an effort to reduce the incentive to enter the country illegally.

Mr. Chertoff said he sympathized with the governors of New Mexico and Arizona, each of whom declared a state of emergency in the last 11 days and dispatched additional state and local law enforcement teams to border areas.

"We are moving forward quickly and aggressively to fashion a comprehensive plan with real solutions," he wrote in a letter sent Monday to Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona.

New Mexico's governor, Bill Richardson, said in a telephone interview Tuesday that he spoke with Mr. Chertoff earlier in the morning and was encouraged by what he was hearing.

"I am a bit more optimistic," Mr. Richardson said. "It is the first time I have gotten attention to my previous pleas."

Mr. Chertoff said he opposed the creation of citizen militias like the one that patrolled the border in Arizona earlier this year.

"The border is a very dangerous place," he said. "This is not a place for people to play as amateurs."

He also again urged Congress to pass President Bush's proposal establishing a new temporary-worker program, which would legalize entry of some migrant workers who now cross the border illegally. Enactment would almost certainly reduce the flow of illegal immigrants, he said, allowing Border Patrol and immigration enforcement officials to focus on more serious offenders, or perhaps even terrorists, trying to enter the country.

Some immigration experts questioned Tuesday whether this latest push to stabilize the border would result in much change. For example, these experts said, the Bush administration has not indicated any willingness to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants.

"If you have a boat with numerous holes in it, the boat will sink unless you plug all of the holes effectively," said Michael W. Cutler, a former senior immigration enforcement special agent who is now a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington research group. "He is only addressing a few of the holes, meaning he may slow the flow but it will not solve the problem in the long run."
 
He also again urged Congress to pass President Bush's proposal establishing a new temporary-worker program, which would legalize entry of some migrant workers who now cross the border illegally.

Presto, chango - abra cadabra. Magic from the Shrub team. What was "illegal" now becomes "legal". Problem solved. If this is and example of leadership from the Bush administration - I need more air sickness bags. Gotta go check Ebay...
 
The temporary-worker program will do nothing other then encourage more to cross, too many don't want in the system for various reasons nor do the
employers want them in the system. What about the estimated 11 million
here now,(i suspected it is much higher) how many more does the American
taxpayer subsidize for the cheap labor market.
 
"The border is a very dangerous place," he said. "This is not a place for people to play as amateurs."

Representative government is a very dangerous place. It is not a place for people to play as amateurs.

Political damage control, nothing more. Nothing will happen until there is no other choice. That time is approaching, all too rapidly.
 
decided to stand back
Haven't they done quite enough of this for the past, oh I don't know, 60 years or so. GO SECURE THE BORDERS. How hard can this be? We will spend untold amounts on the war in Iraq but squawk at the money it costs to secure our borders. This is all political grandstanding thanks to the Minutemen's success. They have no choice but to talk about it now but nothing will be done once the next big story comes along.

"The border is a very dangerous place," he said. "This is not a place for people to play as amateurs."
I am quite aware of this sir and would still opt to stand my post. Who ever said it was the gubmint's job to keep me out of harm's way?

Greg
 
Only one way to control the border. PUT THE TROOPS ON THE BORDER!!! Anything other then that is just pandering. Some how with GWB not wanting to close the borders I can't help but believe the war in Iraq is all about the oil and nothing about terrorism.
 
<Skit Mode On>

Jeopardy Host: "And today's final Jeopardy answer is "Workplace Enforcement". Contestants, what is the question?"

<Jeopardy theme music plays in the background. Camera closes in on Contestant Chertof>

Jeopardy Host: "Time's up, Contestant. Put down your pen."

Jeopardy Host: "Contestant, for the grand prize of a steak dinner at a local Waffle House, tell us the question."

Contestant Chertof: "Uhh, What is missing from my plan to enforce the borders?"

<Ding, ding, ding, ding. Que Jeopardy theme music loud>

Jeopardy Host: "Contestant Chertof, you are correct. You win today's grand prize of a steak dinner at a Waffle House of your choosing. Thank you for playing Homeland Security Jeopardy. We see you all next month after Bush has this pathetic plan blow up in his face."

<Skit Mode Off>
 
Here's a random question:

We have satellites that are supposedly pretty darn good at tracking people. The border is pretty much a wide open space, with little to obscure infrared tracking. This is particularly true during the night, when the ground is cold.

Why don't we use satellites to record the movement of illegal immigrants, and develop a protection scheme from that? Maybe there's even an older satellite they could dedicate for this job?

I dunno. Just seems like a relatively simple (albeit expensive) option.
 
We have satellites that are supposedly pretty darn good at tracking people. The border is pretty much a wide open space, with little to obscure infrared tracking. This is particularly true during the night, when the ground is cold.
Better yet, early this year the DoD in coordination with whoever is responsible for border enforcement flew a Predator drone complete with all the goodies used in Iraq. I am to understand the drone flew a few missions and was shut down long before it was scheduled to fold. This far I've seen no reference to the video taken or the results of the experiement. Seems it fell into the memory hole.

I think it would be enlightening to file a FOI request for all documentation written and electronic along with all photographic takings.

My assessment? They saw how bad the situation was and promptly shut down the operation and buried the evidence.

Predator story
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5298100

Predators purchase in 2005
http://www.americanpatrol.com/COMMENTARY/RUMOR-MILL/00RumorMill-Current.html
 
If it is Washington's intention to really address the issue of illegal immigration (which is doubtful at best), they might see what could be done about the following:

Mexico funds staging areas for illegals
By Jerry Seper
The Washington Times
Published August 18, 2005


The Mexican staging area for illegal aliens that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson demanded this week be bulldozed is among hundreds of similar sites along the border sponsored and maintained by the Mexican government.

Many of the sites are marked with blue flags and pennants to signal that water is available. Others, such as the Las Chepas site that Mr. Richardson denounced, are a collection of old, mostly abandoned buildings or ranch houses where illegals gather for water and other supplies -- sometimes bartering with smugglers, or "coyotes," for passage north.

Las Chepas, law-enforcement authorities said, also is a center for drug smugglers looking to move marijuana and cocaine into the United States.

Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, yesterday said his government "has a duty and obligation by law to protect Mexican citizens at home and abroad."

He said record high temperatures in the desert areas south of New Mexico and Arizona this year had resulted in the death of many illegal aliens.

"We try to spread the word on the dangerous conditions these people will face in the desert, along with reports of historically high temperatures," he said. "What we are doing is part of an effort to prevent those deaths."

Many of the Mexican aid stations are maintained by Grupo Beta, a Mexican governmentfunded humanitarian organization founded in the early 1990s. Driving through the desert regions south of the border in brightly painted orange trucks, Grupo Beta's job is to protect migrants along the border, not arrest them.

In April, Grupo Beta worked with the Mexican military and the Sonora State Preventive Police to move would-be illegal aliens out of the desert areas just south of the U.S. border to locations east and west of Naco, Ariz., to avoid the Minuteman Project volunteers holding a vigil on the border.

A branch of Mexico's National Migration Institute, Grupo Beta also helped pass out fliers warning migrants that the Minuteman volunteers, whom they described as "armed vigilantes," were waiting across the border to hurt them.

In addition to the aid stations, the Mexican government has distributed more than a million copies of a 32-page handbook advising migrants how to cross into the United States. The book, known as "Guia del Migrante Mexicano," or "Guide for the Mexican Migrant," contains tips on avoiding apprehension by U.S. authorities.

Aid stations for illegal aliens also exist in the United States, many of them established and supplied by various humanitarian organizations such as Humane Borders, a Tucson faith-based group that targets illegal aliens who the organization said might otherwise die in the desert.

Humane Borders, established in 2001, has 70 water stations along the U.S. side of the border, each with two 50-gallon tanks next to a 30-foot-mast with a blue flag.

Many are on well-traveled migrant routes. Others have been placed, with permission, on property owned by Pima County, Ariz.; the National Park Service; the Bureau of Land Management; and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Another U.S. group, known as No More Deaths, set up an aid camp last month near Arivaca, Ariz., helping stranded border-crossers with food, water and medical assistance. The Ark of the Covenant camp will remain in operation through September.

The group has received much of its support from Presbyterian churches in Arizona and elsewhere. Last year, 500 volunteers -- including doctors and nurses -- took part in a similar camp. A second camp has been established on the Mexican side of the border, across from Douglas, Ariz., also sponsored by No More Deaths and a Mexican group that operates drug- and alcohol-rehabilitation centers.

More than 110 illegal aliens have died in Arizona's desert this year.

Mr. Richardson, in declaring a state of emergency in four New Mexico counties because of rising immigration, border violence and drug smuggling, called on the Mexican government to bulldoze Las Chepas, across the border from Columbus, N.M.

The state of Chihuahua responded by calling for increased dialogue to improve security in the region, saying it would "offer all the support we can to continue our good relationship with our northern neighbor."

The Mexican Foreign Relations Secretariat said Mr. Richardson's declaration did not "jibe with the spirit of cooperation and understanding" and called for a meeting to promote "appropriate actions."


http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050818-101858-1589r

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While our government is supposedly acting (at great expense) to pour more resources into controlling the border, others including the Mexican government are doing they're very best to insure the current status doesn't change.

Meanwhile American property owners and others are being given the word that any interference - especially anything evolving physical detention of so-called "border crossers" will possibly result in jail time and/or loss of title to their property to those who were trespassing on it while illegally entering the United States.

So which message are we supposed to believe? :confused: :uhoh: :cuss:
 
Acknowledging public frustration over illegal immigrants, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Tuesday...

Seems someone high up in the Republican party has belatedly noticed Mrs. Snopes Clinton has been making an issue of the nation's "borders."

Too much talk, too little action, too late. I'm beginning to wonder whether the Republicans might not want Mrs. Snopes Clinton to be the next president.
 
Solutions

1. Berlin Wall on Mexican Border
2. Mines on the U.S. Side
3. State of Emergency declared in ALL Border States
4. National Guard (Air & Army) used by CA / NM / AZ / TX
5. More mines on the U.S.
6. Coast Guard interdiction at sea and in the air;
7. U.S. House and U.S. Senate Resolution FUNDING a serious response
 
While our government is supposedly acting (at great expense) to pour more resources into controlling the border, others including the Mexican government are doing they're very best to insure the current status doesn't change.

The Mexican elite has figured out that the way to handle Mexico's problem is to slowly but surely move their population across the border so that it is our problem--while retaining that population's loyalties and income. So far the strategy is working brilliantly. The rich in Mexico are richer than ever.

Until we get tough with the Mexican government and its plutocratic core--until we exact penalties--all of this is going nowhere. All I see is more and more Americans on the take, now including many of our banks. Until we recognize Mexico as a narco-terrorist state and take actions appropriate to that status, we are only going to see the problem worsen to the point of absolute crisis.
 
More pablum from the District of Corruption.

Does anyone else feel like the Indians watching the Conestoga wagons coming over the horizon?
 
Never going to happen. Chertoff will be out of a job in 2008 when Hillary is elected. She will overturn everything he accomplishes.

Then Mike will commute from his New Jersey home to a nice cushy office at some New York City law firm.


PS: Hillary is taking Spanish lessons. Comprende?
 
i'm getting tired of people coming into where i work and asking me if i habla espanol. they get no service from me. one of their employers came in and asked if i had a problem. told him no i didn't and then told him i called the local authorities and reported his crew as illegals. haven't seen him in about 2 weeks and i DON'T miss him.
 
Mr. Chertoff said he opposed the creation of citizen militias like the one that patrolled the border in Arizona earlier this year.

"The border is a very dangerous place," he said. "This is not a place for people to play as amateurs."
Fine.

Let us gear up with body armor and automatic weapons and we can go play as professionals. A lot of us are (or were).
 
Like I keep saying, nothing will happen on the border because the big money boys in BOTH the Republican and Democratic establishment want that flow of illegal but CHEAP labor to keep on comin.
 
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