Hooked on Smith 3rd Gen

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In the last couple months I have re-discovered the Smith 3rd Gens. I owned an 3913NL years ago and it shot waaaaaay low so I sold it. I loved the feel of the gun so I tried again with a 3913LS last month. Needless to say this gun knocks the center out of every target I shoot. So I bought a 4013TSW, and this gun could be even better than the 3913LS. Now I am looking for a CS9, 4013, CS40. I have owned everything, who would have thought I would be this impressed with a gun I could care less for when I worked for a couple local gun dealers.
 
i was looking into the 3rd gen s&w's as my 1st pistol because of vic macky. but after reading alot i heard that there was alot of problems with them etc. i wanted the CS but the $$$ was too much.
 
My first pistol was a 5904. Well worn, but reliable. I can't speak for other 3rd gen. DA\SA's but talk about a biiig difference on those pulls wow.

I repeatedly say that if someone wants a higher cap. used gun some of those 3rd gens are a really great deal today, even < $300 used. People got rid of them, got mad at S&W during the '90s, but they remain a great series.
 
after reading alot i heard that there was alot of problems with them etc.

Interesting...I have more than a dozen of them myself, and I've never experienced nor heard of any problems with 3rd Gen Smith's.

Care to elaborate?
 
No problem here

Like I said I have owned everything, Glocks, Beretta's, Sig, HK's, Brownings, Daewoo, Colts, Kimbers, Kahrs, Walthers, Taurus, and probably 50 more that I can't remember. I would rate the 3913 and 4013 up there with my favoriates (Kimber, Kahr, and HK) at half the price or less. The only gun I haven't owned that is raved about is a CZ handgun, surprising because I LOVE their rifles.
 
I own several 3rd generation S&W semi auto's. I've yet to have a single problem with them in over 20 years.

My current favorite is a rail free 4563TSW. A joy to carry, and as accurate as my Colt Gold Cup.
 
Me Too....

JMOfartO:

Amazing to hear someone talk of the "problems" with 3rd generation Smiths, when if a person cares to, he or she, can simply "google" the subject, or go to any (or all) of the various firearm forums and use the "search or find" option and it won't take long to find out that contrary to the 3rd generation Smiths having problems, they are fantastically reliable.

I bought my first 3rd generation Smith (3913) in 1995 and to this very second it has never failed in any way. (Yep, knocking on wood here).

In the ensuing years I have had the Glocks, Sigs, HK's, Walthers, Bersa's, KelTec's, Stars, Beretta's, and in overall performance, as a package, none have been any better (if as good) as the 3913.

I WILL admit that my 3913 was not as accurate, (at self defense range) when it comes to absolutely printing the smallest group as several of the other 9mm pistols I've owned. I'm talking the difference of a tiny group in the X ring, vs a larger group, STILL in the X ring.... So, for practical self defense, no difference.. In a crisis after you add the "fight or flee" pucker factor, adrenalin rush, etc, there is no practical difference.

If I want to print the smallest group I will take out my HK P7. More accurate than any other pistol I've ever owned, or had the opportunity to shoot.

If I want to cc a larger caliber pistol than my LWS32 I will look in my 3rd generation Smith drawer and, depending on circumstances, or mood, or phase of the moon pull out my 6906 (double-stack 3913), 3913LS, or CS9.. Generally the CS9 because it fits MY hand perfectly, and just "feels right"..

I can't pick up my original 3913 because my Son loves it and has asked I "put it away" for him, and I've done that... So, basically it's "his" 3913 once he finishes his education and moves away.


Recently I've rekindled my love of the 3rd gen Smith pistol and bought a NIB 5906, 6906, 3913LS and CS9. Plus plenty of extra mags.. ;)

I added a set of Crimson Trace Lasergrips for the 5906 and it is now my "home defense",get me to the 12ga in the closet choice. My wife loves to shoot it as it has low recoil because of it's heft, and the Laser helps her accuracy.

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The 5906 replaced a fine Walther P99/AS.. Nothing at all wrong with the Walther, but my wife and I are senior citizens, and CT didn't make a Lasergrip for the P99/AS. Truthfully if they had I probably wouldn't have bought the 5906... But they didn't, I did, and it's been a very satisfactory swap. Just something neat and "old school" about the 5906 we like.

I think the LS is about as good a choice for a cc 9mm pistol as you would want.. In my experience all 3rd gen. Smiths are as reliable as a pistol can be, and the LS is no exception.. Very accurate, thin, and almost vanishes in a FIST Kydex iwb holster.

By the way my single FIST Kydex iwb makes for a perfect fit for the 6906, LS AND CS9. I'm a big FIST fan.. They make an u g l y holster, but it's THIN and does the job perfectly. (Not too pricey either).

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Just personal opinion, but finding someone complaining about the quality, performance, or reliability of a 3rd gen Smith is a rare thing. Of course everything made by man can fail, so perhaps the complainer got one of the rare "bad" ones?

Just personal opinion, no offense to contrary opinions.

I would not be surprised now that the 3rd gen Smiths are discontinued their popularity will go up...

Go figure....

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
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My 4506-1 is my absolute favorite gun. I think most of the people who talk badly about 3rd gen Smiths are only regurgitating what they've heard from a few people who actually had problems with their guns.

The TSW series of guns are a great bargain now that you can find them used for $300-$500.
 
Can't imagine where you heard that;

I've owned 3 4506's, a 4566, a 4567, four 4516's (one early and one mid 4516-1, and two-2's) and I think 6 457's (two blue, a 2 tone, and the rest SS) a CS 45 and a Performance center CQB(4563). (Not to mention 3 6906's) some definitely more accurate than others, some less. But never a mechanical problem: they're built like tanks and have been absolutely reliable for me.

Also no problems from two 640's.

Cheers, TF
 
Tom Fury:

Apparently the factory "crowning" job on the 3rd gen S&W's can be the culprit in the less that stellar accuracy in some pistols. Or, having the barrel re-crowned will often produce very good results.

I know none of my 5 3rd gen Smiths are as accurate right out of the box as my HK P7's, or even my Walther P99c/AS.. The HK and the Walther will print small groups all day long if you have the skill to go along with it.

But the DIFFERENCE between the accuracy of any of my Smiths and any the other pistols I have owned is minimal, and unless you are talking target grade accuracy for marksmanship contests the difference is simply of no consequence. Or, I have no concern about the accuracy of my Smiths because ALL of them are capable of greater accuracy than I am marksman enough to take advantage of.

I don't think any of the other pistols are any more RELIABLE than my 3rd gen Smiths, and for me in a self defense firearm RELIABILITY is job one.. (and two, and three)... I have absolute confidence in that if I'll use modern, high quality rounds in my Smiths they WILL fire when I pull the trigger..

Actually my Smiths would fire when I'm using the cheap Winchester White Box value pac when some of the other pistols wouldn't...

I know one thing, when I point my CS9 at center mass of a target, loaded with 115 grain DoubleTap jhp's at self defense range I can put holes in it. That's good enough for me.

I think one reason for the lack of respect for 3rd generation Smiths has absolutely nothing to do with concern for a lack of quality, poor reliability, even less than fantastic accuracy.. I think it boils down to why the Toyota Camry is the best selling car in America year after year.. It's the "perception" that it's built better, and the old "cars made in America" are somehow less well made than their foreign counterparts.

Even when those very Camry's are made in Tennessee by regular old Tennessee rednecks just like myself..

I'm not knocking other brands.. I'm really high on the Walther P99 platform, and I had a very good Sig P239.. But they are both gone, and have been replaced by NIB CDNN S&W's which came with a Lifetime Warranty, and at a very good price.

I think whatever brand of firearm you feel does the job for you is the one you should have. Some folks swear by this manufacturer or that manufacturer, but I can guarantee you that if there is a firearms manufacturer out there that has a better Customer Service/Warranty Repair reputation than Smith & Wesson, I don't know who they are.

And I know that for a long, long time the 3rd generation Smiths have been doing the job for leo's and regular folks all over America, and from all I read, and from MY personal experience they are darn good, exceptionally reliable and well built firearms.

I don't care who likes 'em.. I love 'em... (Crap, J-frames too..;))

Just personal opinion/no offense to contrary opinions..


Jesse

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Ditto PX15

Thanks for the tip about crowning; my first 4566 and CS45 turned in less than stellar accuracy, but oh yes, were absolutely reliable and I feel exactly as you do on the subject.

For the record, the 4506's have all been stellar, one extremely so, and I expect tuned by a police armorer with a heart for tweaking; it also had a very sweet trigger. I am pleased even with police trades, and am becoming good at polishing them up.

The CQB is everything you would expect from a performance center gun. I had a bobbed hammer put in and traded out the decock only safety for a left side only manual safety. Very personal piece; looking for 4563 to replace it and will return to original configuration and make it a safe queen I think; or, maybe not...

The 457's have been the shocker; all have been totally reliable and very accurate; again, the last one I owned (a gift to a good friend) was amazing in it's point, shoot, target gone accuracy.

Think there are still some folks out there who need to bash them out of the Clinton era misfortunes; whatever politics lead them to do, it just ain't so that there's anything inferior about the Smiths. I think the Sig 220 is sexier, but can't tell the difference between guns in hand.

+1 on customer service, except they're getting picky about non standard mods. I have a 4516-2 upper that I wanted to run on the 4506 frame; it will work, in fact thats' basically what a 4596 is, but they wouldn't tell me it was OK to do so as it wasn't stock for either component. Finally had to ask Wayne Novak.

anyway, thanks for the tips.
Cheers, TF
 
I always wanted to get into this line of S&W autos, but I have to admit, the plethora of model numbers seems absurdly confusing.

Also, why does S&W discontinue so many great guns?!?!

And the SIGMA is still around!?!? :banghead:
 
Hey Blued,
The model #'s are actually pretty easy to decode once you know the trick.

From http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg01-e.htm

The key to third generation S&W model numbering is as follows:

First two digits - caliber and frame type (for 9mm only).
39xx - 9mm single stack magazines
59xx - 9mm double stack magazines
69xx - 9mm compact, double stack magazines
40xx - .40 S&W
10xx - 10mm auto
45xx - .45 ACP

Third digit - trigger type and frame size
xx4x - DAO
xx5x - DAO, compact
xx8x - DAO

xx2x - DA w decocker
xx3x - DA w decocker
xx7x - DA w decocker, compact

xx0x - DA
xx1x - DA, compact
xx6x - DA, large frame

Fourth digit - Frame material (all models had stainless steel slides)
xxx3 - Aluminium alloy frame
xxx6 - Stainless Steel frame
 
I always wanted to get into this line of S&W autos, but I have to admit, the plethora of model numbers seems absurdly confusing.

EDIT - I see Headless got you going with his post while I was typing mine - good deal...

5 minutes or less to understand it - for the most part. There are some anomolies - a 6946 has an alloy frame, etc.

Go here for more help with this...

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/520103904

You are missing out on some of the best handguns ever made if you don't...
 
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