Hopolphobia in the education system

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This just made me shake my head in wonder. I am taking some Law Enforcement classes at my local Community College. My prof(AWESOME GUY), asked if I would like to participate in a Search Warrant exercise. I of course said I would love to(messing with my fellow students is way to much fun to pass up). I was to be sitting at a computer cubicle in the school computer lab when the "good guys" rushed up to serve the warrant. the warrant involved some Kiddie Porn(this is the e-crimes class). One of the things that we wanted to do was have an air soft gun in my possession. I have an air soft version of a HK USP that I had provided for the exercise. My prof got all the necessary clearances from Security and the Administration, and we were all set to get going. One of the ladies who helps run the computer lab where this was to take place found out that a fake gun was going to be involved. She damn near went into cardiac arrest. "This is totally inappropriate! There should be no guns on a college campus!" My prof tried to explain to her that this was a fake gun, it could not chamber anything like live ammo, and was totally inert. She continued to raise hob until my prof finally said the hell with it. After the decision was made to remove the air soft gun from the scenario, she announced to the rest of the computer lab that all was well, the evil gun-shaped object was not going to be used, and there was no cause for alarm. On my way out when the scenario was over, I overheard several students talking about the hysterics that this lady went into and making negative comments on her mental health. This is a community college with a rather large Criminal Justice program, this is not the first time class exercises like this have happened. IT'S A BLOODY GUN-SHAPED OBJECT! what is the big deal? Are attitudes like this everywhere? This is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time. How does one go about dealing with someone like this(short of a strait jacket)?
 
Yeah I had to leave a school my freshman year over a catalogue that had a spring powered airsoft gun I wanted my mom to order me, apparently the cover, which had some woman with an AR, was viewed as threatening enough that I had to be isolated from 9:00 PM till one or two in the morning (it was a boarding school), not told what was going on, then sit outside the headmasters office the entire next day, no one was allowed to speak to me, I still did not know what the problem was, it wasn't until four that afternoon that I finally was graced with the knowledge that they thought I was trying to order a machine gun to shoot up the school.

Needless to say, I turned from bewildered to furious that they isolated me for eighteen hours, and when my mom showed up so we could all discuss it, she was right there with them, ignoring my explanations of how ridiculous they were acting and how overblown their fears were in my situation. Not only did they totally brush aside my explanation, they then claimed that the problem was that I couldn't see their point of view, and that was something that needed work.

That sucks but it could have been worse. I am in full agreement that a straightjacket is the only real solution for these cases.

Also I lost 40,000 in various tuition costs because of that situation.
 
It would seem that a lot of today’s educators (I use the word “educator” loosely) are hysterical over a lot of things. In this case the lady has a genuine phobia about guns, and really should seek help from a mental health service provider. Others (not limited to females) react the same way to small rodents, spiders, the prospect of traveling on an airplane, and so forth.

In this instance the professor/teacher who arranged the class project should take up the matter with the higher authorities in the school’s administration that sanctioned the exercise. They in turn should explain to the woman in question that if they, who are higher on the pecking order, approved what was to happen, it’s not her place to object – or at least she should do so to them, not your instructor. He after all had permission to do what he proposed to do. A short discussion between the computer lab person and a higher-up might straighten things out.
 
Well, there's no hoplophobia at this college...

Hillsdale College in Michigan:

http://media.www.hillsdalecollegian...tudent.Weapon.Storage.Locker.In-3225746.shtml

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College's 72-acre shooting range opens this fall; student weapon storage locker in plans

Katherine Poythress
Issue date: 2/21/08 Section: News

Hillsdale College students may soon have a place to store and shoot their firearms.

About 72 acres of land, roughly three miles south of campus on Bankers Road will open as a shooting range this fall, Hillsdale College officials said this week. The range will open initially without frills, though building storage areas for firearms is part of the long-term vision for the range.

It is against school policy for students to keep guns in their dorms.

Vice President of Administration Rich Péwé said he already has heard sharp interest from student, faculty and community members, eager for the new option to hone their shooting skills.

"We probably can't [finish the range] fast enough," he said.

The first phase of the shooting range, anticipated to debut in September, will include temporary traps at the range site with 100-target capacity and the resources necessary for some physical education classes on target shooting.

Péwé said the college also plans to purchase ammunition, targets, safety equipment and several shotguns to start Hillsdale College's shooting program.

The college still needs to hire a part-time supervisor to maintain the grounds and oversee programs and equipment, Péwé said.

He said the college also plans to hire a part-time certified instructor to teach an introductory course on stance, sighting and trigger control. Students will be able to receive physical education for taking the course once the instructor develops and receives approval for the course curriculum.

The original land purchase was funded in part by the college's Roland Ebersole endowment, which promotes Second Amendment rights.

The shooting range fits well into the college's mission, Péwé said, because of the college's interest in promoting the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.

"It will promote responsible gun ownership," he said. "It's a natural thing for the college."

Junior Ian Beuckelaere said he would probably spend a "significant amount of time" at the shooting range when it opens and looks forward to shooting his rifle there.

Thought the range may start off at a basic level, additional amenities - such as a variety of shooting targets and firearms - would make the range "more like a hunting experience, where you don't know what to expect," Péwé said.

The master plan benefits from the input of such prestigious names as Kramer One design firm based in Arizona, shooting expert Michael Murphy, and National Rifle Association's Education and Training Division Director Bill Poole.

The college is also consulting with a sound engineer to study sound impact on neighbors.
"We have to study the site and make sure it's organized well," Péwé said.

The cost of the range is still undetermined, Péwé said, because until the master plan is finished, the college will not know what needs to be accomplished or what it costs.
"We can move as fast as funds allow," Péwé said.

Based on initial student interest, that may be sooner rather then later.

"A lot of people don't participate in shooting sports because they don't have access to the kind of equipment they need," Hobson said.

Long term plans include a storage locker for student weapons.

"If there are facilities for storing my firearms there, I will probably make use of them" said Beuckelaere, who used to keep his guns in his vehicle. "I don't like storing them in my car and I would like to be able to go shooting."

Sophomore Luke Hobson said he knows several students who have kept firearms in their vehicles.

The guns often suffered corrosion from the humidity and extreme climate changes, he said.

Hobson said he takes an active interest in shooting sports and the right to keep and bear arms.

"A shooting range would be in keeping with a lot of what the college stands for as far as conservative values," Hobson said.
 
Sorry to say it, but stupid people do exist. I know that may not be too "High Road" of me, but it's just the truth.

Now, on one hand she's entitled to her opinion, even though it lacks foundation.

But on the other, it's completely inappropriate to go into hysterics over something like that especially given that no one was breaking any rules or any laws.

You can't deal effectively with people that are delusional. She's clearly an idealist, and a rabid one at that.

To be honest, I would ask your professor what could be done. It sounds like he's pretty realistic.

Had I been the professor, I wouldn't have let some woman's unfounded emotional response to something ruin the exercise. I would have told her to go get security and then closed the door in her face.
 
That's ok. My high school art teacher once explained that the Democrats were good because they were trying to keep America a Democracy and the Republicans were bad because they were trying to turn our country into a Republic.

No amount of education can cure stupid.
 
I am lucky,
I am a senior in high school, last week I went and shot with my English Teacher (His new S&W Model 317, which is nifty little gun!)
My civics teacher is an avid hunter
One of my math teachers goes to Africa to hunt about every two years.
Even the Vice Principal is into guns.

Mind you, there have been some pretty liberal teachers and students, but overall I have it pretty good.
 
The problem, I've found, is that our society listens to, and gives deference to unbalanced whackos.

In so doing, the unbalanced whackos get to set the agenda.

Frankly, this person should have simply been told that they're being unreasonable, that no one's doing anything wrong, and if she has a complaint take it to someone who will listen, and if she keeps disrupting this legitimate use of the schools facilities, security will be called to remove her hysterical self.
 
Here here. Remove the silly sod, run the scenario, and move on. Once it's over, you can say, with the absolute certainty of "history" that nothing happened to cause a stir (well, at least not one in "real life").

Also - I knew that Hillsdale was a good school, but that's just awesome.
 
I really don't think you should accommodate people like that. Next time around, tell her that if she really has a problem she should call security, because you're going to go right ahead and do as you planned to.
 
The problem, I've found, is that our society listens to, and gives deference to unbalanced whackos.
I agree, to some extent we've created a few generations that believe every idea is indeed special and there is no such thing as a dumb statement. Its impossible for someone to be wrong, there's two sides to every argument, etc. I think gun control can be one of those areas.
 
The term "____phobic" is a often misused term these days. Many people are called "phobic" simply for night liking something, or not agreeing with something, which is a total bastardization of a real medical term. It would appear however that the lady in question may have a true phobia. Phobias are an actual medical condition. Her irrational fear as opposed to calm objection sheds light on the true nature of this problem. If she would have calmly said "I'm afraid you can't do that. Weapon like objects are prohibited in classrooms", she still would have been wrong, but at least somewhat rational. Her emotional outburst leads me to believe she may have a real psychological disorder.
 
:banghead:
I have a 100lb lady that works with me, lives by herself, doesn't believe in self defense. Thinks everything from peppa spray to guns are wrong.

I told her that in an any circumstance where she needs it, she'll wish she had it.

She said I have lived 30 years without needing anything.

:banghead:
 
My psych professor is the most liberal man I've ever met. He often breaks class lectures to go on rants about how evil Bush is and all that, yadda yadda. He teaches classes against prejudice origins and all of that, not that prejudice is a good thing, but you know what I mean.

One day I wrote a paper for him about how great it'd be to own a gun shop. This was no less than a month after Virginia Tech too, but I was being honest in the paper. I was totally expecting him to give me an awful grade for it, and submit it to the administration and everything. Instead I got an email from him about how when he was younger he used to competitive shoot, and was on a team and everything.

Definitely made me smile. There is some hope out there, you just have to look through the turd before you find the corn nugget.
 
The problem, I've found, is that our society listens to, and gives deference to unbalanced whackos.

In so doing, the unbalanced whackos get to set the agenda.

Political Correctness will be the death of rational thought.

The Core principals of it aren't the problem, but the emotionally driven extremes it is taken to are.
 
Another point of view...Did anyone see the thread about the "crazy shooter" drill that some college did? A classroom was invaded by a campus LEO threating thier lives with fake gun. They had obtained "...all the necessary clearances from Security and the Administration..."

The instructor and most or all of the students in the class hadn't gotten the word that this was drill. They were terrified and it was fortunate no one attempted to heroically take out the "shooter". The OP seems unaware of the fact that many real guns are being painted in pastel colors (a BAD idea IMO). If you saw one, it would be a mistake to assume it was fake.

That particular drill has been sited by many as an example of what NOT to do to train emergency responders.
 
Bob,
I agree wholeheartedly on that situation. in this case my prof had gone around to ALL the faculty in the building, and posted notices that we were going to be doing this. the ONLY objection was from this lady in the computer lab. and she went a bit overboard.
 
ONLY objection was from this lady in the computer lab.

If she was fully apprised of the situation well in advance, as well as any students in the area - she should have voiced her objection then and been given the option of not participating. If she insisted on "making a stand" she should have been escorted out of the area.
 
I was thinking a taser would have been an amusing way to keep her quiet. but then I've got a twisted sense of humor. The thing was, she was not asked to participate. It just took place in her building. And near her area. DMACC in the middle of the corn forest.
 
I was driving around northeastern NC laast week looking at properties and came across a private K-12 school that was actually advertising on their sign that they had a shooting competition coming up.

All hope is not lost.
 
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