Hornady A tip bullets

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  1. jak67429

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    Just read an article on the new aluminum tiped match bullets from Hornady.
    New to Midsouth Shooters and Hornady, the A-Tip MATCH bullets are the latest and greatest from the Hornady Ballistic Development Group! After years of research, testing, and a new advanced manufacturing process with state-of-the-art quality control measures, Hornady has created an all new Aluminum Tipped projectile.
    These Doppler Radar verified low-drag coefficient (high B.C.) bullets are forgiving of twist rates, seating depths, and muzzle velocity enhanced with a perfect blend of ogive, tip length, bearing surface, and optimized boattail by caliber!

    Right off the press, the projectiles are sequentially packed, for ultimate lot consistent performance
     
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    I'm still pissed about their stupid teaser add..... .gonna try those just cause they look cool tho......
     
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    All new? Years and years ago......Remington produced their Bronze-Tips....... 45 years ago at least......... my dad used them on deer.
     
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    While the critics (who haven't even used them and probably never will) line up, I'll jump in and say good for them. I'm always amazed that the same people who will proclaim capitalism and the free market are the best thing since sliced bread, will be so quick to criticize a company trying to promote a new product. I just don't get that. Good for them for thinking out of the box, or if the case is that they resurrected a good idea, then good for them too. I hope they sell millions of them. I probably won't buy any but I certainly don't have anything against a company trying new things. That's what they are supposed to do!

    I use a lot of Hornady products and can't ever recall being disappointed by them. In fact, for the money, Hornady bullets are damn tough to beat (which is why I buy so many). I'm glad I don't have to pay Nosler prices to get great shooting bullets that perform well on game.
     
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    the joke i made on the video post was true lol. remington did it first they were nie bullets. i thin the bronze/brass is better. it is more slick the aluminum is.
     
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    Huh I thought the original bronze points were cast zink or.something . weren't very well thought of out here so we're cheap and I had some for my first 06. Didn't shoot as well as regular corlokts, and not nearly as well as the win power points in my gun.
    Killed stuff good n dead tho.

    Rem came out with a plastic bronze point a while back....mid 2ks I think.....
    But I never used that version, they were "premium" line.

    Nother thunk... .wasn't the 750gr amax an aluminum Point also?
     
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    I happily support both companies!
    Having shot a pretty decent pile of seconds from both companies....noslers consistency (or possibly minimum variation tollerance) is amazing, and Hornadys accuracy is amazing for how screwed up their seconds are lol.

    First from both are good, but again I think noslers a little tighter. Either way I've had to work to find a bullet from either that just wouldn't shoot.
     
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    ya the aluma 50 has been out for years i see these are real long and are needing even faster twists.
     
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    I still have two boxes of those. The 180 grain bronze pointed and a box of the 150 grain bronze pointed. Garretsville, Ohio Hardware Store price tags of $7.70 per box of 20. Remington Index Numbers 150 grain 6030 and 180 grain 6130. I have no idea why Remington quit making them unless manufacturing cost figured into it? I haven't seen them on a store shelf in about 35 years or more. Anyway, as you mention the concept is nothing new.

    Ron
     
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    I saw the Graf's advertisement today for these bullets. $75 per 100 for 6mm. o_O This is very expensive for a mass produced bullet. It does not make any sense to me. You can get a real handmade match bullet for less.
     
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    They should have considered 10 karat gold. It's harder, slicker, and heavier than aluminum. Think we could take metal detectors on our walks to change targets and recycle the gold tips to buy more.
     
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    IIRC their last roll out was that they learned their regular plastic tips were deforming in flight and the “revolution” was that they fixed it.

    I guess they didn’t and now aluminum is the fix. Who knows maybe the next step is a copper tip. At least it would be funny to see FMJ sold beside copper tipped, copper jacketed bullets. Would make a few heads spin for folks that don’t know how different projectiles are constructed and the areas that are most important.
     
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    Ah, but you are not selling them. If you make a car that lasts forever, no one will buy a new one.

    If you make a bullet that works how do you keep your job as an engineer? Find a problem with current production or a way to make more money, both is even better. Then repeat.
     
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    I think the point (no pun intended) of the aluminum tip is to fill more space, increasing the BC while moving the center of gravity rearward to enhance stability without excessively long bearing surface.

    The Spanish engineered a similar projectile for the original CETME rifle that performed impressively at distance considering that it was basically a modified 8x33 Kurz. Then NATO got involved and we got the CETME and G3 in 7.62 instead.
    https://www.forgottenweapons.com/full-auto-at-1000m-the-7-92x41mm-cetme-cartridge/
     
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    Winchester Silver tips (now discontinued) had aluminum tips some 50 years ago.
     
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    next it will be these aluminum tips deform under hot loads.
     
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    Well aluminum unless coated or anoed, WILL oxidize faster than most metals, and it straight up melt in certain hostile environments.
     
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    They look appealing, but damn, $75 box
     
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    I am a Hornady fan boy But:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Tne bullets are expensive. May be they are super accurate, no one knows. But>>>>>>>>>

    You need to also buy a super duper new seating stem. But>>>>>>>>

    According to posts here on the forum the Hornady Seating Dies is a piece of garbage , useless and all that, So>>>>>>>>>

    Why would Hornady make a new bullet if their seating die is so awful??:)
     
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    I am not sure how a metal tip would move the CG rearward than the last “space aged polymer” they used when they found their bullet tips were melting.



    ^ makes you not wonder why so many records are held using non “tipped” bullets.
     
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    You could be sure, but you would have to bother to watch the video in which they explained that.

    Oddly enough, they explained that too!

    Consistency trumps high BC. . . but consistency and high BC is even better.
     
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    Do you have a link?

    I tried to educate myself with this one.



    But just wasted 2:17 seconds of my life.
     
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    Wordy, but interesting:
     
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    Has Hornady stated this? Current VLD stems aren’t gonna touch that aluminum tip anyway.
     
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    I don’t expect the aluminum weighs less than the polymer tips, so it doesn’t move the CoG farther back than the ELD’s. But it DOES improve BC consistency through more consistent tip shape AND MORE IMPORTANTLY tip seating position, without moving as much mass to the front as would a conventional BTHP. Poly tips are great for improving BC, but terrible for introducing variability in BC.

    Guys are trimming meplats and pointing bullets, and have been for many years, to improve consistency in BC. Guys have also been buying hand turned solid copper bullets to get that consistency in BC, which WOULD have their CoG considerably farther forward than these, and reduce the relative BC (for the same profile) due to the lower SD. This new tip from Hornady is a drop in, factory option to produce custom quality consistency.

    That is - if it’s all truly possible on their 60-80yr old bullet makers. Their match BTHP’s have been a good bullet for a long time. The tipped A-max’s were a formidable match bullet at a bargain price which improved upon their BTHP’s in many ways. The ELD’s have been an improvement over the A-max’s - a small, incremental improvement, but an improvement nonetheless. Their new A-Tip is a technology shift. They’re doing something very different which has not been done in match bullets, and certainly has had a high call from competitors. It’s not all about the ammo cost savings for some of these shooters - some guys even shoot factory ammo in PRS because it saves time, despite much higher ammunition costs. So if a guy wants to improve consistency in their BC’s, they can either take the time to trim and point bullets, or simply spend a little more money on the bullets.

    I generally plan about $800-1000 sunk in every 2day PRS match, if I spent 75¢ per bullet instead of 37¢, it only changes my match costs by $95. I’m not a good enough shooter to be concerned with that level of consistency, but if it meant a top shooter picked up a 1st or 2nd place instead of a 3rd or 5th, the payback is absolutely worth $100/match difference.

    We can talk about the old Win Silvertips or the Rem Bronze Points, and pretend those short ogive, flat base, blunt meplat (in the case of the Win’s) hunting bullets were at all similar, but it’s kinda like saying a Porsche 911 is the same as a Ford F-150 because they both have rubber tires.
     
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