Hornady LeverEvolution for Self-Defense EDC in .357 Magnum short barrel?

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Depending on barrel length, 1440 fps for a 140 grain load is much, much hotter than the Speer load (990 fps from a 2 inch). So it seems to me, they are apples and oranges. The Speer load is designed to expand at lower velocities and recoil for use in short-barreled weapons. Not that the Hornady load probably won't work, just seems to be for a different, full-power, application. They even note, "now hunters who use both handguns and lever guns no longer have to use two different cartridges to get the results they’re shooting for". (emphasis added)

I'm not sure what their reference to "launching at 850 fps" refers to, since that is not in the table. It looks very interesting, but I'm not ready to drop the Gold Dots yet. Thanks for pointing it out. I'm going to probably try some out as soon as I come across them.
 
If they have that reliable of expansion over the range of speed they are suggesting then I would really like to see them available to people that want to hand load.
 
I'll Wait and See

Aside from the fact that I have become disenchanted with Magnum loads for self-defense (due to the blast when fired from compressed postions or in confined quarters), I would need to wait and see what the performance parameters of these rounds are out of handguns. At this point it appears that Hornady is marketing the concept for hunters who wish to carry the same round in a revolver and in a lever-action carbine. In the old days, I would have been concerened with excessive penetration in humans with a round designed for hunting but Cor-Bon's DPX handgun loads, which use bullets originally designed for deeper penetration for hunters, are currently my carry choice in +P .38.
 
Do the offer the bullets to handloaders? I can get more out of a 140 grain bullet from my carbine than 1900 fps. I get almost that with a not so heavy 158 grain SWC load. I doubt the BCs are high enough to light the world on fire, either. the .30-30 Leverlution stuff is pretty impressive, but there's only so much you can do with a revolver cartridge in .357" diameter, I reckon.

For store bought hunting ammo, me, I'll take Buffalo Bore. That's some impressive stuff. 140 grains will probably work on a whitetail, but a 158 SWC is going to penetrate better and, besides, it's worked for me 3 times, twice out of a revolver, once out of the carbine. I don't see the real advantage in the 140 loads, but then, I'll need to read a bit more about 'em before I really make up my mind. These are just my first impressions.

As for self defense, I'll keep my 140 grain handloads for that. As for New Jersey, do they let you actually OWN a handgun there? LOL! If I lived there, I'd move south, serious, no job is worth living in that place. Well, maybe you could commute from Pa.
 
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I have become disenchanted with Magnum loads for self-defense (due to the blast when fired from compressed postions or in confined quarters),...
FWIW there was a well documented and photo-illustrated article in a magazine recently (IIRC American Handgunner) that showed just about all handgun factory rounds, magnum or not, give off a blast, and that they all happen in less time than the blink of an eye. Interestingly, you could easily not see the blast if you blink at the right time.
 
Interesting new product. Does it warrant replacing Speer GDHP for every day carry in a short barrel .357?
The whole reason for this load in .357 & .44 Mag is for hunting use in tubular magazine lever-action rifles & carbines, and longer barrel hunting handguns.
It is not snub-nose handgun ammo!

The soft plastic tip allows a more long-range capable spitzer bullet shape to be used without setting of rounds in the magazine tube during recoil.

It is probably loaded with a very slow powder, more suited to 16" - 24" rifle barrels & Ruger Blackhawks then to snub-nose revolvers.

I would highly recommend you stick with your Gold-Dot's!

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rcmodel, that is very logical advice if correct about the powders. Anyone know if it's true?
 
The lighter "short barrel" loads use faster burn ammo. General loads use stuff similar to 296 or 2400 or H110 in burn rate which works well with heavy bullets even in short barreled guns, but really works as barrel length grows. Out of a 2" gun, you actually get a 125 grain bullet out of the barrel before the powder hits its peak pressure with most loads and that only makes them louder. This is the reason the short barrel loads were developed. Ammo companies also use flash suppressants in short barrel loads. I don't really know if it helps keep the flash down or not, but I can tell you if I were hunting with my SP101 in southern California and fired a 125 grain handload with 2400 in it off, I'd probably start the biggest brush fire they've ever had in that area, ROFL! The fireball from that load has to be seen to be believed.

The ONLY reason for a pointed bullet is to increase ballistic coefficient and I'm very skeptical that this bullet has much better BC than a SWC being as short as it is. Oh, it's probably a bit higher, but how will that translate in exterior ballistics trajectory and retained energy compared to a good traditional load in this caliber? I'd be you don't get more'n 50 yards extra out of it at best, still makes for a short range rifle for the hunter. If I really want a lever gun that will reach out there, I'll get it in .30-30 or the new .308 Marlin whatever it is and shoot leverlution loads. Then, again, I could get a Browning BLR in .308 or even the magnum long action version. They even chamber one in .325 WSM for Alaskan lever hunters.

Personally, I'm going to stick to my bolt guns if I need range. My .357 lever gun is pretty danged effective out to 100 yards, but I have better hunting rifles for stretching that range. They're not lever guns, but at 1 MOA or better, I ain't gonna need worry about a back up shot and all three make well over 2000 ft lbs at the muzzle, about twice what the .357 makes. The 7 makes about 3400 ft lbs, TRIPLE the energy of the little carbine.

Choose the right tool for the job. I wouldn't use a saw to hammer a nail, either. And, I wouldn't use this round out of a snub for self defense. At the low velocities they give, I'd wanna see expansion in flesh with that bullet before I'd trust it to open up at 1300 fps or less, perhaps a lot less.
 
If these two loads are anything like Hornady's other Lever-Evolution calibers, you can't duplicate them by hand-loading.

They use specially blended non-canister grade powder developed specifically for those loads.

Same with the Light-Magnum ammo.
You can't do it, because you can't get the special powder they developed for them.

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I hope RCmodel is wrong. I just e-mailed Tim Sundles and asked if Buffalo Bore can please start loading this round. BB's muzzle velocities from a carbine are actually higher than the Hornady stuff. I'd love to see BB's power combined with the longer range that this bullet shape can provide.
I won't hold my breath, but hope springs eternal.
 
A 140 grain bullet from a 20" barrel at 1900 fps? I get that with a not so hot 158 grain SWC! Yeah, i know about the light magnum stuff, but this is more like +P .38. I do need to read an in depth test of the stuff first, of course, just going by what was posted.

I can't seem to get my 180s up to what Buffalo Bore does. Best I can do is around 1650 fps. They're getting over 1800 fps with a cast 180. That's approaching .30-30 energy levels, pretty friggin' amazing. I'm not sure how Buffalo Bore does that, if it's true. I've never chronographed the stuff, but that's the claim on their site and others have verified it on this site. My load does pretty close to theres out of a 2.3" and a 6.5" barrel, but out of the rifle there must be some difference in the powder, because my load falls short. I'm shooting AA#9. Maybe their powder burn rate is slower, don't know.
 
I wonder what barrel lengths they were getting the velocity figures from? They don't mention it. Since they are talking about hunting guns I'm sure they tested in 6" or 8" barrels for the handgun.

I've got a 6" barreled M28 that would probably shoot that ammo nicely.
 
Hey, someone's gotta ask it. Write him an e-mail and suggest it. The more people who e-mail him asking for this round, the better!!!
 
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