Hornady steps up! (10mm)
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IMO the only reason to own a 10mm is to shoot full powered loads from it. If you want to shoot slower loads then buy a 40 S&W.
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Good on Hornady.
I don't mind having the option of shooting watered down stuff. It makes the gun easier to control for smaller statured people. I definitely don't like having nearly every major manufacturer making only watered down stuff though.
That's the difference for me personally. I agree part of the allure for some people is the ability to make a 10mm anything from a soft 40s&w to pushing a 41mag but at least give us a choice. Heck, put a warning on the box if that makes them feel better.
Someone made a comparison to a fast car but they don't floor it during every take off, this is more like buying a fast car that has a stop made 2/3 under the gas pedal. You wanted and so bought a fast sports car but your ONLY option is to drive it like a Pinto. That's closer to what the big name ammo makers have been doing to the 10mm.
Glad somebody makes some fairly hot stuff for a 10mm besides boutique companies. I've stuck to Underwood and Double Tap so far with the g20 and g29 but this is interesting.
I don't mind having the option of shooting watered down stuff. It makes the gun easier to control for smaller statured people. I definitely don't like having nearly every major manufacturer making only watered down stuff though.
That's the difference for me personally. I agree part of the allure for some people is the ability to make a 10mm anything from a soft 40s&w to pushing a 41mag but at least give us a choice. Heck, put a warning on the box if that makes them feel better.
Someone made a comparison to a fast car but they don't floor it during every take off, this is more like buying a fast car that has a stop made 2/3 under the gas pedal. You wanted and so bought a fast sports car but your ONLY option is to drive it like a Pinto. That's closer to what the big name ammo makers have been doing to the 10mm.
Glad somebody makes some fairly hot stuff for a 10mm besides boutique companies. I've stuck to Underwood and Double Tap so far with the g20 and g29 but this is interesting.
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And like with the 10mm you pay a penalty 100% of the time you aren't driving fast.
In the case of the BMW it's poor gas mileage. In the case of the 10mm it's a heavier, bulkier gun, and often more expensive as well.
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I wont say it like that. I want the options of full Nuclear power loads. I dont personally like the slow stuff, but if I shoot in GSSF I will use handloads with just enough power to get the bullet to a target. Then I'll run a low power recoil spring. Or just shoot 40s&w through it.
No, you're thinking of this backwards. By having a gun that can do "from mild to wild," rather than buying both a dedicated wild gun and a dedicated mild gun, you can get one that does both. Rather than two $600 pistols, I can spend $1200 on a nicer gun that will be more accurate and enjoyable than either of the $600 guns. And in the "platforms" I like, there is no size or weight difference between the 40 and 10 guns. Well, 10 is infinitesimally lighter because of the extra material removed from the chamber.
In revolver world, people have a much easier time wrapping their heads around the idea that one of the advantages of a 357 revolver is the wide array of power levels it can offer. I don't know why people resist this concept in semi-auto world. But they do, as this little exchange demonstrates.
Oh, I totally agree that it's dumb when nothing on the 10mm retail market is "real" 10mm. That's honestly one of the things that drove me into handloading. I didn't want to pay boutique prices for 10mm. Once you handload, you can dial this stuff up or down at will. If you don't, then a big manufacturer offering stuff in your desired power range is your only hope.
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YESSSS! When people say I'm going to break my extractor and ruin my G29 because I shoot 40's through, I ask them how its different than stepping down to 38 in a 357? The extractor is in no other stress. The forces are against the breech face and the chamber walls regardless if it's a 40 or a 10. Just clean your chamber good and go back to 10mm.
I also love my 10mm, because I have a 9x25 Dillon barrel which I shoot 357 SIG through it (ruins brass). One gun, two barrels, four calibers.
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Good!
Maybe they will bring back the factory 200 gr XTP loading at an improved performance level- why they killed it off is beyond me.
Maybe they will bring back the factory 200 gr XTP loading at an improved performance level- why they killed it off is beyond me.
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My preferred 10mm guns are a S&W 1006 and a 1086. There is no nicer 10mm on the market. There are more expensive ones, typically 1911 models, but the 10mm 1911 has proven to be a bad idea from the days of the Delta Elite. And Glocks have poor chamber support and handle case head separations very poorly.
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I'm with you. A 200 grain at 1200 would be great. My only worry with the XTP for carry ammo is the fact they are designed to penetrate deeper than normal HP ammo. Look how small the opening is compared to others.
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I proved it could be done, I dont choose to do it repeatedly because I save my brass. When has a Glock 10mm broke ? I find that preposterous.
I gave a 1006 to my cousin because to me it feels too much like a 1911 wanna-be, just clunky (like the clumsy kid who wants to be a sports star). So I guess you and I wont agree on guns, because I love the Delta Elite and the SR1911 10mm.
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I had a case head failure on my Glock 20. Bad FC brass. It was apparently a known issue with that brass, except I didn't know it. It cracked the frame so severely that a replacement was required. Case head failures in metal guns mean possibly new grips and maybe a new mag follower. Case head failures in polymer guns usually mean a new frame.
I guess we won't agree on guns. I think we do agree that it's a good thing full power factory ammo is available. For a whole bunch of years there was really no reason to own a 10mm unless you reloaded or you were willing to buy boutique ammo. There was no real difference between 10mm and 40 S&W factory loads.
Hornady XTP is a good bullet, nothing fancy, but it performs well. It seems to me like Hornady stopped offering the 200gr XTP 10mm loading a few years back during the ammo shortage, I remember reading that they had dropped some options to keep up with demand in other calibers but I was under the impression that eventually they would be re-released.
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Glock should have replaced that for free. They didnt?
If you still have the pieces and didnt fix it, PM me. I'd like to have the pins and a few other things.
I happen to live in the same metro area as Glock USA, and they replace all kinds of stuff like that for free on a walk-in basis according to my Glockophile friends.
That said, I've seen a couple of casehead blowouts in Glocks (not really the guns' fault), and it's even scarier than in a steel-framed gun. For playing with nuclear stuff, I take comfort in a big slab of steel.
That said, I've seen a couple of casehead blowouts in Glocks (not really the guns' fault), and it's even scarier than in a steel-framed gun. For playing with nuclear stuff, I take comfort in a big slab of steel.
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They replaced it, but I had to send them the gun and pay (cost) for a new frame. Shipping it back was the most expensive part. Given that it was clearly the fault of the ammo I think that’s fair.
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Yeah considering Glocks "no reloads" policy.
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"Glocks no reload" policy? I own most major and some not so major brands and not one has a "shoot reloads all you want And keep your warranty policy" that I'm aware of
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Buy Ruger then smart ass.
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I'd say I have more rugers than any other brand of guns. I'm a fan of the p97, p90, and Redhawks. All of which warn against reloads in their respective manuals
Also I wasn't attempting to be smart. Just saying that every brand I own from colt, kimber, hk, sig, all say the same. Not just glock
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For a couple years I wanted a .22 that was quieter, was centerfire so it was more reliable and reloadable, and could reach out to 150 yards in a slight wind and hit the target with ease... so I bought a .327 Henry rifle, made some reloads that were probably going about 900 fps (a lot slower than the 2100 fps .327 can do) and I got what I wanted. That .327 Henry is capable of taking squirrels up to deer, hitting a man at 200 yards, and being as cheap to shoot with my reloads as the hyper velocity .22 LR is.
At one time I wanted a revolver that was able to shoot a hot big bore cartridge, but could also shoot a cheap rimless cartridge, so I bought the .45 Colt-.45 ACP Redhawk. That revolver may not be .454 Casull power, but Ruger Only .45 Colt is more than enough to do what I may need, which is drop a charging bear or moose.
Haven't bought a 10mm yet, have been thinking about it for a while, and when I do, I can use the weak, subsonic 10mm ammo to shoot with a suppressor and make it near as quiet as .45 suppressed.
There are a lot of reasons to have the full power ammo, but also to have a downloaded choice too. One of the things I liked about .327 was that with the weak .32 Long, its recoil is so low anyone can shoot it comfortably and confidently. So, a couple with limited funds and can't buy two guns can save up, buy a .327, load it with .32 Long for the wife when she needs it, .327 for the husband when he needs it.
This thread seems to have degenerated severely even after it has been pruned by a moderator...who also gave pretty clear directions
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