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I am telling you that these guys are just like suicide bombers. They write a "tell-all" to do damage to the adminstration, or to put it another way, to discredit the Commander-in-Chief during a war.

Clarke is truly a suicide bomber because he has completely destroyed his own credibility in the process and shameelessly in front of the world. Basically he has been an entrenched "counter-terrorism" head for a long time, probably 10 years. All of this happened on his watch. And he wants to blame the new kid on the block.

Is there no decency in the left?
 
Clarke is truly a suicide bomber because ...Is there no decency in the left?

Clarke is a registered Republican who voted for Bush and served under five administrations.
 
If he was a real Republican, he would be diving on live grenades, not thowing them.

He has no credibility at this point due to conflicting testimony. He is now a hero of the left and I do not know who is pulling his strings.

He did have an excellent carrer and reputation. He has self-immolated.

I would also like to see charges brought regarding disclosing classified information.
 
"Horowitz lays it all out"

Mr. Horowitz is a briliant man. If you think that article is a greatly informative piece, you should take a ride to the local book store and buy his works.
 
In August 2002 Clarke gave a background briefing to Fox News. In this briefing he made some statements which appear to contradict the thrust of one of his arguments that he subsequently set forth in his book. (BTW, background briefing means that the news agency agrees not release the name of the official giving the brief. Appears that Fox News may have breached its promise here.)

Sorry, but Fox News breached no promises. According to the reporter Jim Angle, and confirmed by the administration, Fox asked and was given permission by the White House to release the tape of the briefing. In fact, all five reporters at the briefing were released from any confidentiallity.

This is how Richard Clarke explained it: "When you are special assistant to the president and you're asked to explain something that is potentially embarrassing to the administration, because the administration didn't do enough or didn't do it in a timely manner and is taking political heat for it, as was the case there, you have a choice." One "choice that one has is to put the best face you can for the administration on the facts as they were, and that is what I did."

So Clarke seems to be admitting that he lied at least in 2002. So how do we trust him now? Spin is one thing, but Clarke's comments in 2002 are directly contradictoray to his statements in his book and his televised testimony before the committee. And judging by comments made yesterday by John Lehman, committee member, Clarke's testimony on television seem to contradict his statements made in private testimony.

If you find the mission to be just too objectionable, then you resign. Welcome to the real world.

Well, Clarke presently says that President Bush payed little heed to his dire warnings about terrorist threats, seriously endangering the safety of the United States and all of it's citizens. He didn't consider this 'dangerous" lack of attention by the President objectionable enough to resign? If that is the case, not only is he a lier, but a moral coward with absolutely NO honor.

Clarke now also states that there has never been any connection between Iraq and al Qaeda nor has there ever been any evidence of any connection. This directly contradicts his statements to the Washington Post in 1999. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37704

In the meantime, don't take my word or anyone else's word on what Clarke wrote. Go read it yourself.

I think I will save my money for better uses than putting it into the pocket of a blatent lier. Most of the serious allegations that Clarke makes in his book and on 60 Minutes have been contradicted by Clarke's own statements from years past. I'll wait for the Readers Digest version. Until then, I'll content myself with the excerpts that are coming out.

Clarke is a registered Republican who voted for Bush and served under five administrations.

Are we to take the word of a lier regarding who he voted for? There is no way that this can be verified. What CAN be verified is who Richard Clarke gave political donations to for the last ten years. Of all of his donations, not a SINGLE one was to a Republican!

Clarke is ALL over the board with his past and present statements. Of course I can understand why the lefties put such hope in him; he's as bad as Kerry!
 
Sorry, but Fox News breached no promises. According to the reporter Jim Angle, and confirmed by the administration, Fox asked and was given permission by the White House

But not by Clarke. Oh well, who cares really. I don't.

So Clarke seems to be admitting that he lied at least in 2002.

Did he? "I was asked to highlight the positive aspects of what the administration had done and to play down the negative aspects," Clarke said, adding, "When one is a special assistant to the president, one is asked to do that sort of thing. I've done it for several presidents."

Spin, like what Condi Rice and Stephen Hadley are doing now when they're defending the president.

He didn't consider this 'dangerous" lack of attention by the President objectionable enough to resign?

Actually he did. In the Spring of 2001 when Clarke realized that the Bush Admin was not going to pay (in Clarke's opinion) sufficient attention to the Al Qaeda threat, he requested and was approved for a transfer to cybersecurity, which was to take effect in October 2001. His transfer was delayed because of 9/11. You'd know this if you had read his book.

And judging by comments made yesterday by John Lehman, committee member, Clarke's testimony on television seem to contradict his statements made in private testimony.

Then Lehman should release the secret testimony and allow us to jduge for ourselves.

But here is the exchange.

John Lehman, Navy secretary under Ronald Reagan and a former colleague of Clarke's, came out not just swaggering but swinging. The 16 hours of classified testimony that Clarke gave to the commission—and the six hours he testified before the joint congressional inquiry on 9/11—were nothing like what's in the book. There is, Lehman said, "a tremendous difference, and not just in nuance," adding, "You've got a real credibility problem!" You look like "an active partisan selling a book."

Clarke began with a playful shuffle. "Thank you, John," he said, to laughter. First, he denied that he's campaigning for John Kerry and swore, under oath, that he would not take a job in a Kerry administration if there is one. Then he admitted there was a difference between his earlier testimony and his book. "There's a very good reason for that," he went on. "In the 15 hours of testimony, nobody asked me what I thought of the president's invasion of Iraq." The heart of his book's attacks surrounds the war. "By invading Iraq," he said, taking full advantage of Lehman's opening, "the president of the United States has greatly undermined the war on terror." End of response. Lehman said nothing.

Clarke now also states that there has never been any connection between Iraq and al Qaeda nor has there ever been any evidence of any connection.

That's is NOT what he said either in his testimony or in his book. You might want to read his book.

I think I will save my money for better uses than putting it into the pocket of a blatent lier [sic].

(Maybe buy a good dictionary?)

Most of the serious allegations that Clarke makes in his book ...

That would be that book that you haven't read, right? In other words, you have no personal knowledge of "most of the serious allegations that Clarke makes in his book."

Is Clarke a registered Republican? I had heard this on the radio the other day, but I am glad that you raise the question. Here is how Clarke answered the question.

Joe Conason - “Is it true that you're a registered Republican, as someone told me yesterday?â€

Richard Clarke - “Well, I vote in Virginia, and you can't register as a Republican or a Democrat in Virginia.* The only way that anybody ever knows your party affiliation in Virginia is when you vote in a primary, because you have to ask for either a Republican or a Democratic ballot. And in the year 2000, I voted in the Republican presidential primary. That's the only record in the state of Virginia of my interest or allegiance. †-- Joe Conason interview with Richard Clarke, Salon, 3/24/04

* This is correct. Virginia does not register voters by party affiliation.

The next question becomes, can we verify that he voted in the GOP primary? Not sure about Virginia, but in Texas it is a matter a public record which party's primary one voted in. Maybe someone should go check it out in whichever county he lives in.

As far as his donations go, perhaps you can provide evidence?

In the end, all of it is really immaterial. Democrat, Republican. Who cares? Both parties are infested with rats. I vote in GOP primaries, donate money to local GOP candidates. Does that mean that my arguments are any more or less credible? No. Denouncing Clarke as some kind of "hero of the left" is just another desparate way to avoid having to engage his arguments. Clarke is a hawk, make no mistake about it. His beef with the Clinton and Bush administrations is that they did NOT pursue Al Qaeda aggressively enough.
 
Yes, idd, that's why........

"...His beef with the Clinton and Bush administrations is that they did NOT pursue Al Qaeda aggressively enough."
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Clarke is of such value to his old buddy over at the Kerry campaign.

Although I suspect that Kerry making an issue of 'national security' will turn out badly for him.;)


And as for your link to the "Harpers" article on Bush's alledged "lying",

there is no convincing evidence in the article that Bush lied.

Just more of the same tired allegations.

"Dubya" was indeed telling the truth when he said:

"There's no doubt in my mind when it's all said and done, the facts will show the world the truth. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind." :D
 
Clarke is really only concerned with Clarke.

Evidently his 401K wasn't doing so well so he wrote a book.

And he slanted that book in a way he thought would sell copies.

While he may not have thought anyone was listening to him...and that may be true...and while he may disagree with some of the Administrations policies...he has testified that;

GWB went from a "rollback" to an Eliminate plan

GWB increased CIA assets FIVEFOLD

And we also know that GWB started DAILY breifings by the CIA...whereas Clinton hardly talked to the CIA

SO how does that gell with the idea that the Bush Admin was less focused??

He would be more accurate to assert that they couldn't fix 8 years of stupidity in only 8 months...probably because they kept a lot of the morons, like Clarke, on the team.

His remarks concerning Condi not knowing who Al-Queda were shows his true colors...A minority female got the job he thought he should have and he got pissy.

He complains about not being listened to and he had to be ordered to attend meetings.

And he said there should be more meetings:confused:

He may have been effective at some point...he may even have had some good ideas...now he is just trying to line his pockets.
 
WAR ON TERROR
Records show Clarke
gave only to Dems
Former adviser insists attacks on Bush nothing to do with politics

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Posted: March 25, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern

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By J. Michael Waller
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

Former counterterrorism czar Richard A. Clarke insists his attacks on President Bush have nothing to do with politics, but an Insight check of Federal Election Commission records shows his only political contributions in the last decade have gone to Democrats.

Clarke is suspected of using his former post in the Bush White House as a weapon with which to slash and wound the president during his re-election campaign against Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.

The Kerry campaign's coordinator for national security issues, Rand Beers, has described Clarke as his "best friend." According to the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, where Clarke and Beers are adjunct lecturers, they teach a course together about terrorism. Clarke's detailed Harvard biography specifically mentions his service under President Reagan and the elder President Bush, but says nothing about his eight years working for President Clinton.

During the 9-11 commission hearings this week, Clarke denied any partisan leanings.

"Let me talk about partisanship here, since you raised it," he told Commissioner John Lehman, pointing out that he, like Lehman, had served in the Reagan administration.

"The White House has said that my book is an audition for a high-level position in the Kerry campaign," he said. "So let me say here, as I am under oath, that I will not accept any position in the Kerry administration, should there be one."

He said he was a registered Republican in 2000.

But what about this presidential election year? According to FEC records, Clarke has been giving his money to Democratic friends -- not Republicans -- running for national office.

In 2002, while still on the Bush National Security Council, Clarke gave the legal maximum limit of $2,000 to a Democratic candidate for Congress, Steve Andreasen, who tried to unseat Republican Rep. Gil Gutknecht of Minnesota. Andreason had been director for defense policy and arms control on the Clinton NSC. In making his donations of $1,000 on July 22 and another $1,000 on Nov. 7, 2002, Clarke listed his occupation as "U.S. Government/Civil Servant," according to FEC records indexed with the Center for Responsive Politics.

Clarke maxed out again in the 2004 election cycle, donating $2,000 to another Clinton White House veteran, Jamie Metzl, who is running as a Democrat for Congress from Missouri. Metzl was a staffer on the Clinton NSC and worked for Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., as deputy staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. With that donation, made on Sept. 15, 2003, after his resignation from the Bush NSC, Clarke listed his occupation as "Self-Employed/Consultant."

FEC records show that Clarke reported no political contributions when he worked in the Clinton administration in the electoral cycles of the 1990s and 2000, when he said he was a Republican.

J. Michael Waller is a senior writer for Insight. An in-depth story about Clarke will be posted at Insightmag.com on Monday.
 
Personally, I think he desperately wanted the Homeland Security job and he got snubbed. IMO he's auditioning for the position of Homeland Security Director in the Kerry Administration.
 
there is no convincing evidence in the article that Bush lied.

In a Sept. 7 news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Mr. Bush said: "I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied — finally denied access [in 1998], a report came out of the Atomic — the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need," said the president.

The International Atomic Energy Agency says that a report cited by President Bush as evidence that Iraq in 1998 was "six months away" from developing a nuclear weapon does not exist. "There's never been a report like that issued from this agency," Mark Gwozdecky, the IAEA's chief spokesman, said yesterday in a telephone interview from the agency's headquarters in Vienna, Austria. "We've never put a time frame on how long it might take Iraq to construct a nuclear weapon in 1998," said the spokesman of the agency charged with assessing Iraq's nuclear capability for the United Nations.

So what was this? Lying? Or Bush's mind just making it up as he goes along? For a man being briefed by the CIA every morning, Bush sure does pull out some doozies.

And he slanted that book in a way he thought would sell copies.

Nice to have an opinion about a book you haven't even read.

And we also know that GWB started DAILY breifings [sic] by the CIA...whereas Clinton hardly talked to the CIA

And what makes you think that?

Clarke's detailed Harvard biography specifically mentions his service under President Reagan and the elder President Bush, but says nothing about his eight years working for President Clinton.

Richard Clarke's bio at the Kennedy School states that he "served the last three Presidents as a senior White House Advisor." Maybe that reference was just too abstruse for Waller to get.

He said he was a registered Republican in 2000.

He did? Perhaps Waller can document his claim?

Joe Conason - "Is it true that you're a registered Republican, as someone told me yesterday?"

Richard Clarke - “Well, I vote in Virginia, and you can't register as a Republican or a Democrat in Virginia.* The only way that anybody ever knows your party affiliation in Virginia is when you vote in a primary, because you have to ask for either a Republican or a Democratic ballot. And in the year 2000, I voted in the Republican presidential primary. That's the only record in the state of Virginia of my interest or allegiance. †-- Joe Conason interview with Richard Clarke, Salon, 3/24/04

an Insight check of Federal Election Commission records shows his only political contributions in the last decade have gone to Democrats

Yeah, all both of them. So he gave donations to two friends of his. Big deal. Far easier to attack the man than to engage his arguments.

Personally, I think he desperately wanted the Homeland Security job and he got snubbed.

There's no evidence for this line of "thought." Clarke actually opposed the creation of a Department of Homeland Security.
 
So...Clarke feels that Invading Iraq weakened the war on terror???

Because....

Continuing empty threats were eventually going to wear them down?

They are really more afraid of the UN than the US

Sadaam had already set up a trust and PLO suicide bombers are still getting paid the big bucks???

The other countries...like Libya think this is all an act and we really won't invade countries that support/sponsor terror???

Sure...makes perfect sense:rolleyes:

If this bozo really feels that nobody has listened to him.....

and he is not partisan......

Then why trash Bush and give Clinton (and Reagan..he screwed up a little)a pass????
 
So...Clarke feels that Invading Iraq weakened the war on terror???

Because....

Continuing empty threats were eventually going to wear them down?
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You (like Bush) incorrectly see the WOT as a problem with a specific country when it is not. Fundamental Islamic elements exist in large percentage in most Arab countries, and they support AQ to some degree.. although it has been clearly shown Saudi Arabia is Bin Laden's power base. he is from there and he has many loyal and wealthy supporters who are funding him. Clarke (and most knowledgable people) understand exactly how and why Bush's foolish war weakened the war on terror because we understand exactly WHAT that war is and HOW it can be won. It is a war against a terrorist organization (Al Qaeda) not a single country with a dictator who pissed off George Bush.

The war has severely weakened us in several ways:

1) It has worn thin our armed forces and made morale so low that the troops are waiting to stampede out like horses at the starting gate. The Army's own survey stated that about 75% of the troops in Iraq feel their morale is "LOW" or "VERY LOW". That says it all. The current estimate is that most Reserve and Guard units currently deployed will serve in Iraq either three or four of the next five years.

2) The war has shaken the military's confidence in Bush because most are now learning we attacked the wrong country. As Rumsfeld said when Clarke told him Bin Laden was in Afghanistan: "There are no good targets in Afghanistan, so we are going to bomb Iraq." It's like the idiot under a streetlight looking for his car keys... even though he dropped them 50 feet away by his car, the light is much better under the street lamp. We should have leveled Afghanistan when AQ was there and the country we should be occupying is saudi Arabia because that is where Bin ladens money base is. Instead, we used very limited resources in Afghan on the "flush out and kill" expedition because so many troops had to be kept for the upcoming Iraq war. In other words, we blew the best shot we had at killing OBL to service a foolish war in Iraq.

3) The most important point: Bush's Folly has made the US more hated than any country on earth. As Bin laden has said all along, the US is an imperialistic power looking to take an oil-rich country. So, to help his propoganda machine, we made his words come true. Nobody in the Arab world is buying our war and they are the countries we need as allies to drop a dime on Al Qaeda so we can find them and kill them.

4) Collateral Effect: it has ratcheted up the Israel/Palestine war because Israel sized on Bush's rhetoric about "War on terror" as an excuse to go up a notch to even more invasive strikes into that country... and Bush can not criticize them without criticizing his own "pre-emptive strike" policy. Last week when Israeli gunships assassinated a group, the White House "expressed concern"... BOY, that's telling them! If there ever was any hope for a peaceful resolution there, it is gone with the wind. And Bush's condoning of the Israelis is making us even more hated and by more groups.
 
Let's not forget that the call-up of National Guard units for the Iraq War causes a strain on police, fire and EMT units here at home, i.e., the first responders expected to handle the next terrorist attack. (Who thinks there wont be another attack?) There is a tremendous overlap between police/fire/EMT and National Guard personnel. Think about how many energetic, motivated public-spirited people you know who serve in both capacities. Now a lot of those people are in Iraq, and their departments are feeling the pinch.

Remember that after the Vietnam War the Joint Chiefs delberately restructured the armed forces so that any major deployment abroad would necessitate a call-up of National Guard people to bring the military's divisions up to full strength. They did this deliberately so that politicians could not fight a foreign war on the cheap. Any foreign war or "police action" would require National Guard personnel, causing disruption on the homefront, causing politicians to catch some political heat from their constituents. You have to admire the JCS for this brilliant move. The message to the civilian political leadership is clear. "You guys want us to fight a war? Fine, but it wont be invisible, so make sure you politicians have really thought this through and decided that it's worth it."

Last November Rumsfeld began making noises about restructuring the military. Rumsfeld said proposals "will set a new balance between active and reserve that will fit the 21st century." Makes me wonder......
 
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All this finger pointeing, POLITICING and Blame making based upon 20/20 hindsight is CRAPOLLA, Its opiate for the moronic masses. Its weak minded partisan politicing at its worst.

Let me settle it. EVERYONE is to blame.


Now after you get done flagellating yourself and the Democrats, and Republiturds with the horse hair whip.

WHAT THE HELLO ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT NOW???????

ARE we going to take the Saudis, Iranians, Syrians, PLO, Sudanese, Egyptians, out or are we going to wait until one of these wonderful peacful people of ISLAM, who love us all, gives the terrorists they support and admire a Nuclear or Bio weapon and KILLS a couple Million US citizens in our own country first????????
Lets have a meeting with the UN and discuss it then we can let the Sudan Egypt and North Korea take a vote (The John Kerry plan), or we can just blindly bomb the ???? out of one of these countries and declare victory (the George Bush plan).

IF WE DONT ACT AND CUT OFF the money coming from all of the above countries and overthrow their brutal governments, its just a matter of time until the BIG DISASTER HAPPENS.

My prediction, the big disaster will happen, and then we will take some half hearted action, that doesnt cost too much and wont offend our friends (the ones who are waiting to spit on our grave).
 
Let's not forget that the call-up of National Guard units for the Iraq War causes a strain on police, fire and EMT units here at home, i.e., the first responders expected to handle the next terrorist attck.
It's done a lot more than that. I don't think most people realize the damage being done. I am married to a Reserve commander. I know who and what reservists are for the most part... they are patriotic people who love their country. And right now, most of them hate Bush for what he's doing to it.

Does anybody know what the reserves were intended to be? They were to be a force of "experienced" soldiers who could be called up for defense in a time of sudden attack so this country would be safe while the regular forces could be brought up to speed. The second critical function is to provide the military with a resrvoir of "skill people" they simply could not afford to pay enough to keep in the military full time like doctors and nurses. Those people are in the reserves purely for patriotism, it sure ain't for the money which is chicken feed compared to what they make in civilian life.

Do you know what the reserves are presently being used as? A way to have an Army without paying them. Rumsfeld's vision is a tiny Army supported by reserves who are called up and used when and where needed, then drop kicked until needed again. Their tenure of service will not be "until the regulars are up to speed", the reservists ARE the new regulars... they just don't stay in the service between wars. In other words, the reservists will be puppets who must serve as active duty when called, then leave so the govt doesn't have to keep paying them. What is the effect? The resrvists can not have any kind of a life because they will have no way of knowing when they will be yanked back, or for how long they will be used.

That is NOT what they signed up for or understood their role to be. The result will be that the people who can afford to leave will be running out in droves.... not for lack of patriotism, but because they became reservists to be just that: not the new standing army that gets called up every time Bush decides a country needs conquering and occupying.
 
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Clark is going to be in deep poopy when they show he lied under oath either now or 2 years ago.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said on Friday top congressional Republicans were seeking to declassify testimony that former counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke gave in July 2002 about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.



Frist challenged Clarke's credibility in a week the White House has launched tough attacks to discredit President Bush (news - web sites)'s former aide, who has charged that the president failed to properly heed threats of terrorism.


Frist, a Tennessee Republican, said there appear to be contradictions between what Clarke told a pair of congressional panels two years ago and what he said this week before a bipartisan commission investigating those attacks.


"Mr. Clarke has told two entirely different stories under oath," Frist said on the Senate floor.


He quoted Clarke as telling Congress behind closed doors, "the administration actively sought to address the threat posed by al Qaeda during its first 11 months in office."


Clarke on Wednesday told a commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks that the Bush administration in its first eight months in office regarded terrorism as "not an urgent issue" -- a charge the White House has hotly denied.


Said Frist, "It is one thing for Mr. Clarke to dissemble in front of the media ... but if he lied under oath to the United States Congress it is a far, far more serious matter."


"The (House of Representatives) intelligence committee is seeking to have Mr. Clarke's testimony declassified, to actually permit an examination of Mr. Clarke's two differing accounts. Loyalty to any administration will be no defense if it is found he lied," Frist said.


A Senate aide said the request to declassify Clarke's 2002 testimony was made by House Speaker Dennis Hastert, an Illinois Republican, and the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Porter Goss, a Florida Republican.


The aide said Hastert and Goss have approached the White House and the CIA (news - web sites) about getting the testimony made public.
 
Liberals Have Lost the Ability to Argue a Point

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jfruser: third the motion.

All I'm seeing on this and the "Rumsfield caught lying again" thread is sniping, smoke, mirrors, and liberal mantras* coming from the same few guys, who have offered little that is credible** to back up their nebulous position***, or constructive alternatives to that which they seek to destroy.



*Anyone else notice how the liberal anti-war mantras have migrated over into big "L" Libertarian territory?


**Cut N Paste editorials from Harpers, videos from Moveon, ad hominems galore, excerpts from Clarke, etc


***Whatever it might be....like Kerry's positions, it seems to be a Heisenberg thing, attempts to measure it cause it to ploop somewhere else at the quantum level.
 
Far easier to attack the man than to engage his arguments.

Which of his arguements are we to engage? The ones from 1999, 2001 and 2002 or the ones from 2004? To say that his public testimony and his book only differ from his 2002 briefing in nuance is preposterous. Only a partisan Democrat could make that claim with a straight face.

I would be more than happy to engage his arguements if only he had a consistant one.

(Maybe buy a good dictionary?)

Ouch! It's gonna' take years of therapy to recover from that one, idd! You really know how to hurt a guy.:rolleyes:

I tell you what, idd, since you are SO concerned that I haven't read his book, why don't you post excerpts from it! If I wish to read fiction, I'll buy a book properly classified as such, not an blatant partisan political hit piece. Or maybe you can have your buddies at the DNC give ME a free copy.

Clarke (and most knowledgable people) understand exactly how and why Bush's foolish war weakened the war on terror because we understand exactly WHAT that war is and HOW it can be won.

Right!:rolleyes: After all, Clarkes, and your, approach during the eight years of Clinton and the first eight months of President Bush were SO effective at stopping al Qaeda!:rolleyes:

The lefties can spin and lie all they want but the American people are starting to see through the B.S. and realize that John (War Criminal) Kerry and his sock puppet Richard Clarke have no credibility!
 
Nope, idd, that's not convincing at all....

"I don't know what more evidence we need," said the president."

...."So what was this? Lying? Or Bush's mind just making it up as he goes along? For a man being briefed by the CIA every morning, Bush sure does pull out some doozies."
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If you already hate the man, as you clearly do, then you might jump to any conclusion which suits your negative opinion of him.

A more unbiased approach would indicate someone who has been misinformed by his advisors, they themselves perhaps supplied with inaccurate or out of date intelligence.

Your determined innuendo does not make for convincing evidence.

We've established that you hate "Dubya". So?

Any evidence not based on flights of fancy from the left, Clarke included?

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bounty hunter:
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"The result will be that the people who can afford to leave will be running out in droves.... not for lack of patriotism,..."
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You mean when serving their country becomes "inconvenient" for them?

"Sunshine soldiers" we used to call those with AR and NG prefixes on their service numbers.

If your post indeed bears any resemblance to reality, then there may have been some truth to the old joke.

So be it...there's more where they came from.:)
 
The ideological filters are so strong! Criticize Bush? You must be some kinda lefty!

A more unbiased approach would indicate someone who has been misinformed by his advisors, they themselves perhaps supplied with inaccurate or out of date intelligence

The resources of all the superpower's intelligence agencies at their fingertips - and they keep getting their "facts" wrong. That's really sad.

Maybe it's lying, maybe it's "only" incompetence. I've had it with excuses. It's grounds enough for termination.

If you already hate the man [Bush]

I don't hate anyone......with the exception of this one Trotskyist I met in college about 20 yrs ago. I probably don't hate him now, but would again if I bumped into him.

Which of his arguements [sic] are we to engage?... would be more than happy to engage his arguements [sic]

You obviously haven't done enough homework to engage his arguments.

Or maybe you can have your buddies at the DNC

I have no friends at the DNC. The price tag is $20. (Maybe your parents will lend it to you.)

After all, Clarkes, and your, approach during the eight years of Clinton ...were SO effective at stopping al Qaeda!

Clarke advocated a more robust plan against Al Qaeda. As for my own approach, I have not discussed it in any detail here, so it would be quite difficult for you to evaluate it.

As far as Clinton's effectiveness in stopping Al Qaeda, remember that in December 1999, the CIA picked up intel that Al Qaeda was planning an attack around the time of the Millennium. The Counterterrorism Security Group quickly met and decided to send out warnings to US embassies, military bases, and to the 18,000 police agencies around the country to be on heightened alert for suspicious activity. The break came along the US-Canadian border where a boat ride from British Columbia to Washington ended in a routine screening by US Customs. A US Customs officer got a hinky feeling about one passenger in particular, who bolted. A few minutes later Al Qaeda operative Ahmed Ressam and his car were in custody. In his car were explosives and a map of Los Angeles International Airport.

Sound pretty effective to me, especially in comparison to later policy under Bush.

Clark is going to be in deep poopy when they show he lied under oath either now or 2 years ago.

That will be interesting to watch. I am all for full disclosure.
 
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