House Gun Opinion?

Which for a House Gun?

  • 1911 5"

    Votes: 142 52.8%
  • GP100 4"

    Votes: 127 47.2%

  • Total voters
    269
  • Poll closed .
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1911 with 5" barrel 7-8rds capacity or GP100 4"er 6rd capacity, which would you prefer and why?

I picked GP100

Ive shot a friends GP100. DA was smooth and controled, SA was light and clean.
Weight would help with follow up shots using .357 magnum.
Practice is cheaper with .38 special ($19.99) over .357 ($24.99) and .45 ($22.49) for that matter. I quickly searched midway for the prices using federal american eagle brand for comparison.

The only potential issue I can bring up with both guns is ability to mount a light. I know some 1911s can have rails and some .357 revolvers can as well. I would recommend purchasing a model which has a rail.

After another quick search I learned that ruger does not offer a GP100 with a rail. I did however find this: http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=10

Therefore I will retract my recommendation for the heavy, powerful .357 in favor for a weapons light attachable 1911.

Unless of course you would consider another brand of .357 like the S&W M&P R8. What a Bad A** Revolver! http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765757_-1_757770_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Hope this helps fxstchewy.
 
To stick with the OP - I think a semi-auto is a better choice. The main thing for me is I like an SA trigger better than a DA trigger, two extra shots is better and even though I've seen Miculek - generally speaking, reloading a semi-auto is easier than reloading a revolver.

On the other hand, there is nothing in the OP about budget constraints, so if someone was going to get a gun specifically for their house (home defense) I'd recommend it be a 12 ga shotgun.
 
To stick with the OP - I think a semi-auto is a better choice.

If you spend more than what a GP100 costs on a high end 1911. At the same price point your comparing one the most durable, reliable revolvers being made right now to a budget 1911 that maybe hit or miss. Not apples to apples.
 
I voted GP100 which was my house gun for a number of years.

I did just switch to a semi auto though for some of the reasons listed by others.
 
I'd be happy with either platform. My issue is with the cartridge. A full bore 357 is going to be as good or better than a 45 but at the cost of much greater muzzle flash and noise which I feel are a problem if you may be firing it in an enclosed room, possibly in the dark.

You can mitigate this to an extent by using 38 spl ammo in the GP100 but then IMO you are taking a step down in effectiveness.

I used to keep a S&W 686 in my nightstand as a HD gun but after a lot of thought I switched it out for my Glock 21 instead.
 
Between your two choices it would be a 1911 for me because it's the handgun I shoot best.

That said, which particular firearm I choose is pretty low on the list of HD priorities for me. My roommate and I live in a very low crime neighborhood, in a very low crime area of our city. We still keep our doors and windows locked. We know our neighbors and mutually keep our eyes open for anything suspicious. I have a medium-large sized American Bulldog mix mutt who hears things long before we do, and has a very distinctive alert bark: She serves as an early warning system. We keep our cell phones charged and nearby. There are Surefire and similar lithium battery lights throughout our home. There are several other precautions and measures we've taken to maintain security. Last, my 1911 and several other reliable firearms between us are safely stored but readily accessible.

Focus on your mindset and skill set first. Then pick a reliable firearm that's chambered in any good defensive cartridge as long as you shoot it well. For me that's service revolvers in .38 Spl and up, service pistols in 9mm and up, shotguns in 12 or 20 gauge with buck shot, and centerfire carbines of just about any caliber if loaded with rounds that are known to reliably and rapidly expand and/or fragment.
 
I voted GP, even though i keep an S&W 19 by my bed... BUT, i also keep a long or two gun close by too...

The revolver compared to the semi auto is more reliable, easier for someone other than me to shoot. I don't buy into the need for more than 6 shots, in this situation, as i'm NOT into the "spray n pray" technique...

I also don't buy into the revolver being a "problem" because of more noise or muzzle blast... In a shooting situation like this, that will be the last of your worries!

DM
 
1911 with 5" barrel 7-8rds capacity or GP100 4"er 6rd capacity, which would you prefer and why?
Trip to LGS could be eye opening. One of mine had full display of old S&Ws, Colts.....It would be even better had they not run out of AR15s. They even had LEGENDARY 2" Model 12 with flat cylinder release button (ole' vintage feature). Now is the time to shop for oldies but goodies.
 
I would have to say the 1911,If you have ever shot a 357 indoors with out
ear protection it is shockingly load with a impressive muzel blast.
I love my 357's but inside I'll take the 45.
 
If you have ever shot a 357 indoors without ear protection it is shockingly loud

I made the mistake once of shooting a .44 mag *outdoors* without hearing protection. My ears were ringing for about 4 days.
 
Gp 100 was my choice between the 2, load with +P ammo. Had one on the nightstand for many years, moved to glock 17, with 20 rounds and on board light.
 
Revolver for guaranteed trigger pull/bang methedology. No "in-battery" and no magazine fatigue concerns. Cant imagine you would do bad jumping either way...I just prefer the "house gun" to truly always be ready.
 
1911 has less recoil that allows faster target re-acquisition. .45 = bigger hole in bad guy.
 
I picked GP100

Ive shot a friends GP100. DA was smooth and controled, SA was light and clean.
Weight would help with follow up shots using .357 magnum.
Practice is cheaper with .38 special ($19.99) over .357 ($24.99) and .45 ($22.49) for that matter. I quickly searched midway for the prices using federal american eagle brand for comparison.

The only potential issue I can bring up with both guns is ability to mount a light. I know some 1911s can have rails and some .357 revolvers can as well. I would recommend purchasing a model which has a rail.

After another quick search I learned that ruger does not offer a GP100 with a rail. I did however find this: http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=10

Therefore I will retract my recommendation for the heavy, powerful .357 in favor for a weapons light attachable 1911.

Unless of course you would consider another brand of .357 like the S&W M&P R8. What a Bad A** Revolver! http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765757_-1_757770_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Hope this helps fxstchewy.
Those scandium N-frames are pleasant to shoot, even with full power handloads.

Here's my M327 TRR8 (Tactical Rail Revolver);

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Bottom of the shroud is drilled and tapped for a light, top is drilled and tapped for a red dot/holographic optic;

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What I've learned is 8 round moonclips are slower to load than 6 or 7 round speedloaders.

125gr SJHPs create a large wound channel and typically don't over penetrate.

Not much muzzle flash using AA #9 powder, but there's a huge fireball from the cylinder gap on this M686P/6".

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When traveling, I typically have the 686P/6" and a Colt 1911 Government in 45 auto on the night stand.

Both calibers are very suitable for night stand duty, you simply have to decide how much practice and training you're willing to devote to become proficient with your choice.

While some feet all one needs to do is pull the trigger on a DA revolver, placement of the trigger on the finger and grip is different than that of the 1911. The DA trigger pull of the GP 100 will never be as smooth or as fast as a 1911 and there's more of a tendency to jerk the trigger during rapid fire training sessions with the wheelgun.

Other potent calibers re available for the 1911 platform, 38 Super and 10mm come to mind and if you handload, the Super can push 125gr magnum bullets at magnum velocities, but with the recoil of a G17;


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Training, this out of the box Colt shot 400 flawless rounds, 150 of those rounds were fired as fast as I could load and pull the trigger;

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This Colt became my CCW and I continued to push it hard, another 200 round session during an extreme heat range session;

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Included in the session was 70 rounds as fast as I could load and pull the trigger, right handed, left handed, Bill Jordan from the hip style, both hands with and without using the sights, ~7 yards;


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I carried the mag back in the day and was fortunate enough to have superb instructors, same can be said for the 1911, but never on patrol.

Some observations, for me - weak hand advantage 1911
Split times advantage 1911
Range sessions - moving both, point shooting both, draw to first shot 1911. Rapid fire range sessions with the mag (not 38) and at about 50 rounds I need to put gloves on my left hand because the cylinder gets really hot. At about 70 rounds I put the mag down. When doing intense training shooting the magnum I'll bring 2-3 357s in order to allow for cool down times. 1911s get very hot to the touch too, but that's what the slide stop is for. :)

Some of the hardest hitting ammunition on the market;

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complete with the Ranger star;


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I voted 1911, but it's a toss up for home defense. Furniture and carpet soak up some of the muzzle blast, but the advantage goes to the 45 for both lower blast and flash. IMO, 38 Special is a cop out, clear advantage to the 45 between these two calibers.

For training sessions at the range, if you only bring one gun, the advantage is with the 1911.

Handloading with hardcast bullets is the way to go with both calibers, I like to practice with 357/170gr Keith style bullets and either 185gr/200gr SWCs in 45.

Get both.
 
I LOVE 1911s...but not knowing more detail of your situation I'd have to recommend the revolver (loaded with Cor-Bon .38 Special+P 125 grain JHP rather than .357) because it's simpler, has a shorter learning curve to minimum competence, and more forgiving of brain farts under stress.
 
The 1911 was my first handgun courtesy of Uncle Sam and I still carry one today.

I've tried many others and I always come back to the 1911. I have a Govt. and a Commander size and both will be my "forever guns" and there shall be no other. :D

PSALM 1911
In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it worketh. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.
And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm.

And as the ages passed, men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.

Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.

And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the Great Battle.

And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunctions to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.

Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.

And being a deceitful spirit, the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did appear to function.
And the Evil One also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.

But man, being stupid, did not understand these new pistols and didst proceed to shoot themselves with the plastic pistol and with the trigger-cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continue to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.

And when man had been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol, the lord of the Underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible "Ka-Boom" to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.

Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men, they didst begin to work as the prophet had intended.

And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil sprits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation by the followers of John.
 
Semi-automatic is a better choice. At least you have a reasonable chance to reload if needed. Also, I think that a semi-automatic is more likely to not have a malfunction. My thinking is when a wheel gun malfunctions it is out of service until a major repair, where a jam for a semi-automatic is easily handled. If the choices were opened up I would have voted for a full size Glock or S&W M&P or Ruger SRxx in .40 or 9mm. 9mm being preferred for the extra round count.
 
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