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House IL - AWB Passes Out Of Committee HB873 8 to 5

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  1. M110

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  2. K-Romulus

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    how thoughtful

    they exempted the mfrs who make them for police/.gov.

    And they allow grandfathering of existing owners who submit proof of ownership to the state police before the bill's effective date.

    Allow magazine grandfathering with same "proof of ownership" rules.(!)

    And allow possession at that Sparta shooting complex (but you can't own a non-grandfathered one in the state).

    We'll be fighting this in MD next year. Good luck guys with your battle in the full State House. :banghead:\

    edited to add:

    Holy cow! It makes possession of an "assault weapon attachment" the same crime as possessing a SCAW!!!! :what:
     
  3. PILMAN

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    Holy ****, this passed? I am glad I left Illinois in 2002. Good luck guys, hope everything goes well :(
     
  4. ATAShooter

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    Yea ATA,... Illinois,... that's the best place for the Grand American, ... so gun friendly....
     
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    Chicago has been on my do not travel list since Mayor Daley bulldozed Meigs Field, time to add the entire state to the list like the Peoples Republic of **********.
     
  6. SaintofKillers

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    Illinois is going to lose alot of jobs over this, not that the pols care.
     
  7. nucstl1

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    What's the Cost

    An interesting article. Don't know how accurate it is, but it is probably close.

    ISRA Press Release
    $300 Million Gun Ban Could Bankrupt Illinois

    SPRINGFIELD, Ill., March 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA):

    A gun control bill currently making its way through the Illinois Senate could prove to be the "coup de grace" to the state's seriously ailing finances. The bill in question, SB16, would require the registration of certain semiautomatic firearms within 90 days of the bill's signing by the governor.

    The ISRA estimates that there may be upwards of 10 million affected firearms in the hands of law-abiding Illinois citizens. To remain on the 90- day schedule, the state would have to hire approximately 7,000 new employees to process in excess of 111,000 registration forms per day.

    The costs associated with this registration program would be staggering. Taking salaries, equipment, supplies, and real estate into consideration, the state could expect to spend at least $300 million to process the initial flood of registration forms. File maintenance and registration renewals in the out years would heap additional expense on an already strained state balance sheet.

    "Even in the best of times, $300 million is a lot of money," commented ISRA Executive Director, Richard Pearson. "And these ain't the best of times for Illinois. Standing-up an operation to process 111,000 registration forms per day would be a monumental task -- an endeavor full of uncertainty. As Canada learned in its recent attempt to register guns, costs associated with gun registration programs can quickly spiral out of control. What started out to be a $2 million plan to register Canada's rifles has grown into a $2 billion debacle that has done nothing to make the people of Canada safer. The registration boondoggle has also cost a number of Canadian politicians their jobs."

    "Like all 'assault weapon' bans, SB16 is essentially symbolic," continued Pearson. "Even the Chicago Police Department's own murder analyses show that firearms included under the ban are rarely, if ever, used to commit murders. The impact of SB16 on crime would be zero, but the bill's impact on the state's budget would be a gut-shot to the tune of $300 million."

    "Legislators really have to ask themselves whether spending $300 million to attack the rights of law-abiding citizens while ignoring the career criminals responsible for 88% of murders is really a good investment. I suspect that we all know what the taxpayers, who would have to pick up the tab for this folly, would say."

    The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership. Since 1903, the ISRA has represented the interests of over 1.5 million law-abiding Illinois firearm owners.

    This press release is posted at US Newswire.

    Posted Tue Mar 20 06:57:49 CST 2007


    I know the ban in Australia cost hundreds of millions of dollars. The cost of this ban, plus some other tax crap the GOV is trying to pass will definately turn Illinois into a Welfare State.
     
  8. nico

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    That really sucks. Good luck guys
     
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    Seems like this is a matter for voting gun owners in IL. to address.
     
  10. SaintofKillers

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    I can tell you as a former resident of central Illinois that if the whole state voted are way it still wouldnt outvote the city of Chicago and the business as usual that goes on there.

    Sad really.

    I personally would simply disregard the law.
     
  11. Soybomb

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    And then what do you do with your felony charges when your guns get looked at on a traffic stop? One could certainly ignore such laws if they wanted to keep them hidden at home, but if you actually wanted to use and enjoy your property and not keep it locked up at home like a secret meth lab its harder to ignore.

    Anyway my house rep is kurt granberg and while I'm sure of how he'll vote I will write him and ask that he encourage his colleagues to vote similarly.
     
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    so say this bill does get passed and they spend well over the 300million they say they could spend. and the state goes "bankrupt" or whatever happens when the state spends all its money (if that is even possible) what happens to the State of IL? do they just raise taxes? cut the program? i bet some politicans are going to lose ther jobs over this if it goes threw :evil: :evil:
     
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    not cool

    I hope if this does pass that Armalite, DSA, Springfield et al. refuse to sell weapons to the police in this damn state, or failing that, simply move to other states.
     
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    How is this going to effect jobs dramatically as was mentioned? How many people work in industries affected by this?

    I'm not criticizing - I'm genuinely asking.
     
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    $300 mil may sound like a lot of money but when put in perspective, it's not. The state of IL is somewhere between $5 and $7 billion (with a B) in debt already. Another $300 mil is a drop in the bucket.
     
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    When is the actual vote on this? I mean, when will we know the final outcome. Also, what would be an acceptable proof of ownership? A receipt from a gun bought 10 years ago??? If we don't have "acceptable" proof, would it then be immediate confiscation?
    I am from southern Illinois and I know how my rep and senator are voting, but as indicated in some previous posts, I am afraid Chicago will just out weigh us all.
     
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    Assault Politicians Ban!

    I 'm all for banning politicians who are assualting their own country.

    What a**es, sniveling, drip nosed, greedy pol's stab their home state/country in the back for a short term feel good dribble. Par.

    ST
     
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    Costs of Ban and Additional taxes

    At the same time these jokers are trying ban assault rifles, the gove is trying to pass a gross reciept tax for companies with gross reciepts over 1million. They want univeral health care to take care of the democrats voter bas in Chicago and Cook County, and they look at this as a way to pay for it. What they obviously don't realize is that Companies with HQs in IL like Boeing, CAT, State Farm, Country Companies, etc. will pick up and move out of state...taking the jobs and current tax payments with them. This state is such a joke. The power base will do anything to protect its base in Chicago...I just which there was something the citizens of Illinois cold do short of a fence to seceed from Cook County & Chicago.

    Example...A company like CAT would pay 100 Million dollars in Tax. If they didn't pass the cost on to thier customers, that would potentially be a lot of manufacturing jobs sent to Mexico and China.

    http://www.pjstar.com/stories/030807/REG_BCJ8REBU.060.php

    http://www.pjstar.com/stories/030807/TRI_BCJ7O6OB.048.php
     
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    Well they have nearly the exact same bill in the state senate SB16.

    My feelings is each bill in the house and senate will try different amendments to see what will get the fence sitters on the anti's side, and to see which possible amended version will pass both the house, and senate.

    My take on it.
     
  20. SaintofKillers

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    Quote Soybomb-
    "And then what do you do with your felony charges when your guns get looked at on a traffic stop?"

    First, I wouldnt give JohnQLaw a reason to be looking at my guns on a traffic stop.

    Second, just because its the law doesnt make it right. You have to take a stand sometime.

    My guess would be that this is not your time.
     
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    FIGHT!!!!!

    This is where I draw the line, I live in Cook Co and I won't let this happen. I ask all of who "feel my pain" send either a dollar (or more) to ISRA or a bullet to any of the crack head chicago politicians responsible for this blatant attempt to violate my rights. What will they do with 1 million bullets of varying calibers and age? Where in the hell is the ACLU when the 2AM is violated? I acknowledge that the NRA has pushed RTC in 48 of 50 but what about Illinois? When was the last time Wayne La Pierre set foot in Chicago? I've invited him to my FNRA dinners for 5 years and neither he nor any board member has dared to show up. I'm not gonna send any more $ till someone shows up and does something constructive. I propose a march on Chicago, that's where the power is, not Springfield.:cuss:
     
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    The ISRA is is in court in cook county trying to get an injuction on the AWB amendment they recently passed. I'm in crook county too brother, I feel your pain. But we have to stop this from spreading to the rest of the state.

    You wont win in chicago, but we can stop that bastard cold in Springfield. Thats where all of our energy must be concentrated. More letters, emails, calls, and faxes.
     
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    I don't mean to disappoint or be a drag fella's but if you guys haven't figured this out for your selves let me be direct. We've lost! I have discused moving to the state of Mo with my wife and she doesn't want to even tho she knows how much this matter means to me. Do I become a criminal or move. Damn hard descision. Hope your choices are easier gentlemen.
     
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    Maybe a compromise Ajax-come to WI first...increments.
     
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    I've heard it said that Chicago/Cook County legislators swing a big enough hammer in the legislature to overcome pro-gun votes by the remainder of the legislature, assuming that such a vote spread was obtained. True??

    On the other hand, looking at what was elected as governor, what might that say about things? Of course, there is then question of, for instance Pennsylvania, which last year re-elected Fast Eddie Rendell as governor
     
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