House Shopping with defense in mind?

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I am really not sure if anywhere is all that safe anymore, it seems the criminals are willing to range farther and be bolder all the time. We just had a bank robbery last week in my quiet small town (2nd or 3rd this year), 4 armed men entered a local credit union, assualted bank employee and got away with an undisclosed amount of money. 2 have been arrested 90 miles away in Texas, so maybe the other 3 will be caught soon.

As to home safety, security etc., there is all this talk about how home invasions are rare, and it unlikely you will ever need to defend yourself, which may be true, but I have known of at least 3 incidences where it happened to people I know (at least to some degree).

1, About 10 years ago, my sister's employeer of many years was killed in his vacation house in the caribbean by an armed intruder. He and his wife were there, he was shot and died in the hospital some days later.

2, The next involves my mother's next door neighbor, the husband owned a ranch with a small ranch house / cabin in Oklahoma, he would go there for several weeks at a time a few times per year leaving his wife at home. One time after he left to go there and his wife did not hear from him for a couple of weeks she called the police in Oklahoma and asked them to check on him. It turns out some escaped prisoners were living in the ranch house, they had shot and killed him when he arrived.

3, Also about 8-10 years ago a local somewhat wealthy business owner that was a friend of my step father came home one day to find armed men holding his wife hostage and they demanded he give them a large amount of money they thought he had stashed in the house. As it turned out he had a few thousand dollars in the house, but not the sort of money they were looking for, thankfully they only beat them a bit and left them tied up to be found alive some hours later. Could have ended much worse.

(on a side note the same sister that was mentioned in example 1, along with a number of other people witnessed a woman being kidnapped from a "safe" grocery store parking lot a few years ago, some random man grabbed her threw her into the trunk of a car and took off, I don't think she was ever found, maybe I should ask, but not sure if that would be a good topic for Chistmas dinner which will likely be the next time I see her)
 
and those granite counters make an excellent surface for cleaning guns and fish!
Just don't get caught by your spouse.
 
The lesson to be learned from Isaac-1's examples is that you need to be just as carefull in a temporary home (vacation home/cabin etc.) as you are at your main home, and you are always at risk coming and going in those transition times, so it pays to be armed all the time. Home invaders won't give you a "Mulligan" so you can fetch your gun from the safe.
 
First things first.

Look at the overall crime statistics in the neighborhood/community you're considering. Things change over time, of course, and 'the numbers' are not a reliable indicator of any one person/family/house being completely safe - but they are at least an indicator that should be noted.

Personally I'd be more concerned about response times from the closest fire department than local LE, but that's just me.

As far as floor plan is concerned, I would note any particular structural vulnerabilities that could not be easily addressed - multiple French or sliding glass doors for example, but would not worry too much about how the house was laid out unless there were serious shortcomings.

There are all sorts of modern electronics out there these days that can help make up for a certain amount of structural shortcomings - and they don't cost all that much.

I say the above having closed on our retirement home in western NC this week...
 
I`ve bought a lot of homes over the years and I still haven`t thought about the .........what if.

Course some folks are way more anal than others.
 
First, noting your location (My Mom's side of the family has lived in SW Louisiana for over 200 years) I would suggest a home North of I-10. From what Mom says the Insurance Premiums since Katrina/Rita have gone through the roof if you live South of I-10.

Also, noting your location any kind of underground anything will be flooded in no time due to the water table and at sea level/below sea level elevations present in that area.

Also :), noting your location I would seriously consider a house constructed from steel beams/studs or solid concrete, either blocks or poured. This will protect your home from the weather and will also harden the home against intruders.

If I sound paranoid about the weather, I am and it comes from growing up on the Texas/Louisiana Gulf Coasts and living through 4 Hurricanes.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Oh my - yes, we did consider a lot of safety factors when buying our house 3 years ago. We're in the Outer Banks - another hurricane magnet. That said, we're a mile from the ocean, do not front on the sound... have direct creek access and watercraft... and can be on a bridge to the mainland in less than 10 minutes (after loading the truck and the animals).

The house is not in a flood zone. After Irene, we began covering the 100 lb rated glass with hurricane shutters. This spring, phase 2 of the shutters will take place on the first floor, including a couple of doors. When the shutters are down, it's possible to move through the house, even when lighted at night, without transferring silhouettes through the windows. The shutters will stymie - and provide adequate warning of - the average burglary attempt. The walls are 2x6 not 2x4. The layout is such that we have multiple cover/sightlines to all the possible entries on the second floor; and still have safe exits, as well. We are well off the road - and the front yard (not fenced) is well lit; dusk to dawn lighting. Property is adequately fenced at the house itself and down the side lot lines to the creek.

Yep; we thought about it! And since we've started living here, thought about it some more... LOL. We are improving on what were "good bones" - from the security point of view - at my insistence.
 
My wife found the house we live in now, and didn't bring SD into the picture ... we have fenced and locked the back yard, put some motion lights ... pretty quiet town ...
 
Interesting question, and like most of you, my criteria if house looking today would for sure be more fine tuned in this regard than when we last built 25 years ago.

Add my pennies to those that suggest a good neighborhood is first on the list, and one that is likely to not decline, and that means good schools and a healthy and easily accessible highway and shopping area without having to drive 20 miles.

A cul-de-sac or dead end road is a big plus, as the evil element hates one way in and out conditions.

A neighborhood is better where people interact often, as it is good to know who feels how about things important to me, like personal responsibility and home/family defense.

Personally, I like living in the country, and I think acreage makes your kingdom both easier and harder to defend, as neighbors are further away and are more likely to be unaware of a problem at your house.

Lastly, and by far most important is to harden your home perimeter, which is the cheapest, easiest and most effective to make your house less a target. Good locks, good motion detecting lighting POINTING OUT into the yard, keeping shrubbery trimmed and/or away from the foundation and windows, and even the cheap driveway monitors and do-it-yourself X-10 type security perimeters work fine for no more than they cost. Defense is easier if the dirtballs are outside your home.

Devotion to a home security and defense plan for everyone living in your home should also be emphasized.
 
Unless this is the last home you will ever own, you need to keep in mind that you will want to be able to sell it some day. When people build homes with custom layouts, those layouts tend to be really weird. A layout with home defense in mind, that has been customized to what you want, may only appeal to a select few potential buyers, making it difficult to sell down the road. If you can find a house you like that is also suited for defense, then so much the better.

I live in a 3 story townhouse, with the master bedroom on the 3rd floor. This has its advantages and disadvantages. It makes escaping the house if we needed to difficult. However, it is very easy to defend. Basically I have a shooting gallery coming up the stairs from the 1st to the second floor, and 2nd to the 3rd. I also have a balcony that overhangs my front door. If I'm not expecting guests, I never answer the door by going to the first floor... I stand out on the balcony and talk to whoever is down there. It is an off-putting experience and generally people decide to leave quickly.

If I were to build my dream house, I would like a vault & panic room poured/secured to the foundation with the home built around it. Ideally each bedroom would have relatively easy access to this room, however, this would probably make the home layout a little strange. In any case, having a small vault with concrete walls and a nice vault door would be great for the gun collection. Just gotta hope to win the lotto...
 
Sticking with the question about house design...

I am in the process of buying/building a house. I believe you can have a design which is both livable and have improved defensibility. I have rejected some floor plans based on their lack of security.

First and foremost, I am looking at pinch points. Places where I could hold off an intruder if need be, by increasing their exposure and restricting their movement. Long hallways, enclosed staircases are examples of this.

The design I loved when I first saw it, but rejected when I considered the defensibility consisted of a front door which entered into a split foyer. To the right were the living areas (living room, kitchen, dining room) all completely exposed as soon as someone entered the house. To the left were the three bedrooms. again, all bedroom doors were immediately exposed as soon as someone entered the house. The open format was beautiful and inviting, but totally impractical should an intruder appear.

There are other considerations since I am building which will be easy to install. For example, hardening the areas below windows to change those positions from concealment to actual cover should the very unlikely event occur in which I have to defend my home from outside threats. Same thing for hardening my defensive positions indoors where I will focus on the pinch points. Simple to add when building, not so much on a purchased house.

Escape routes are a serious consideration, not only from two legged attacks, but from fires or other unexpected events where you may need to exit quickly.

Of course, location is already considered and taken care of.

Some in this thread have disparaged thinking about this as paranoia, or what not. I don't expect to have to defend my family against intruders, or even less likely have to defend my house during a very improbable SHTF event. I also don't expect my house to burn down or flood, but I still pay for fire and flood insurance. Fate favors the prepared.
 
My wife and I are very like minded on this issue. Some things we tried to keep in mind while looking was

1. Pick a good neighborhood, city.
2. We wanted fences between us and the neighbors (who are all very nice people).
3. Have the kids rooms near the master bedroom.
4. Assumed we would have big dog, alarm system, motion detector lights, a way of looking to see who is at the front door without having to be at the frontdoor, and solid interior doors and the same for the outside doors. Oh, I also have made sure that I have had enough proper firearms training so I really know how to use the weapons to defend myself.

There are things that we also like about the home that makes it less defendable so it was a trade off. I'm very happy with the home, neighbors, and neighborhood.
 
Wow. Quite the question.

I would give ZERO consideration to your home as a fortress when shopping. I would hope this is not yet another indication of the growing paranoia of a certain segment of American society...

Better things to consider, which are MUCH MORE LIKELY TO EFFECT YOU than the one-in-a-million chance of facing an armed intruder:

1. a good school system; this is where most of your property taxes go anyway, may as well get something for it.

2. police and fire

3. public water and sewer

4. access to grocery stores, pharmacies, gasoline stations, a major hospital and interstates.

YEs, this answer.
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If someone wants a fortress, just live in a jail....
 
If someone wants a fortress, just live in a jail....

Now, as we all know that one should take the time to develop and practice a plan for how to defend one's home if some criminal danger is discovered (I certainly don't think this is a controversial statement, at least not here), it seems at least a little strange that no consideration before buying would be given at all to whether or not the home itself will be a benefit or a detriment once that situation arises.

I'm not reading many comments here as "living in a fortress." On the other hand, not taking a place with the bedrooms spread far apart, and that doesn't have approaches which would provide hidden and dark cover for someone trying to force a window or jimmy a door, etc., etc., would be perfectly reasonable choices to make.

Some things can be easily improved once you move in (better doors & locks, better lighting, trimming back bushes and covering shrubs, and so forth) and some can't.
 
What I want:
40 acres, private road and a moat.

What I have:
60 year old subdivision, neighbors on both sides, sliding glass doors and a 45 lb barker next to the bed...:D
 
The key is buying time to wake up, become aware etc...
i live in an x-burb area very nice and safe, only issue we've ever had was a couple cops that flipped out and 1 soldier. Motion lights all around the perimeter, big ones 300 watt per light, 3 lights per cluster, clusters 360deg on both the house out buildings, barn etc. The dogs will go off most of the time the lights are triggered. Semi decorative fence with alarmed gates and to get in any point of entry you need to get through 2 substantial locked doors at all three entry points. During the day entry is quick and easy digital locks with paddles, you can get in quicker than with a key and easy to operate with a load of groceries.

It always surprises me how many people ditch their carry gun when they get home, you really need to have a comfortable enough carry gun to keep on no matter what your doing all day long.
 
"For example, hardening the areas below windows to change those positions from concealment to actual cover..."

Steel plate between the interior and exterior walls?
 
Whatever house you buy, IMMEDIATELY rekey or change the locks. You have no idea who has a "spare" key.
 
Moat and drawbridge. On a serious note, I may be crazy but I've always wanted to put sandbags along all of the walls or if I could build my own home have some sort of protection from projectiles and make it so I have to worry less about angles if forced to shoot at an intruder . Annnnd now I sound like a crazy fellow.
 
When i retire in 3 years, I will be having my last home built. I plan on using insultated concrete forms for the exterior and some interior walls. Initially I was looking at it for safety from natural disasters (Tornados) and its energy saving properties, some say about 1/2 heating and cooling costs. However, 6" or 8" of concrete is definately defensive. I am also looking at having "hurricane windows", which is basically windows with a mylar film on them which are designed to withstand debries hitting at very high speed. Again to mitigate damage caused by the tornados around where I plan to retire, with the added defensive security. All this for minimal increase of cost of building my home and will look like a traditional lumber home. Stack all that with the some of the things you all have described I will have my home and fortress. But till then I am restricted to doing as many of you have described.
 
When i retire in 3 years, I will be having my last home built. I plan on using insultated concrete forms for the exterior and some interior walls. Initially I was looking at it for safety from natural disasters (Tornados) and its energy saving properties, some say about 1/2 heating and cooling costs. However, 6" or 8" of concrete is definately defensive. I am also looking at having "hurricane windows", which is basically windows with a mylar film on them which are designed to withstand debries hitting at very high speed. Again to mitigate damage caused by the tornados around where I plan to retire, with the added defensive security. All this for minimal increase of cost of building my home and will look like a traditional lumber home. Stack all that with the some of the things you all have described I will have my home and fortress. But till then I am restricted to doing as many of you have described.
Seeing others who want to turn their homes into citadels gives me hope that I'm not so crazy. I like the idea of 8'' of concrete and the hurricane windows for sure.
 
Someone asked me what digital locks with paddle handles were, they are available at your local big box home store. They are quick and easy to open so you can keep them locked 24/7 without any real inconvenience

Every (all 3) entry points to my house have 2 steel doors you need to get through. All door/windows are hurricane spec/code, both glass and structure tempered and laminated as are all the first floor windows. All doors and windows are alarmed. By the time you get through 1 layer and set off the alarm we've got time to wake up and be situationally aware.

The driveway has a sensor, the dogs wake up at the triggering of our perimeter floods.

The dog door you see is small and at night is covered with a sturdy sluice door.
 

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