Houston Storeowner Stops 3 Robbers

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"Stops" as in kills in a gunbattle.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7343008.html

Seems like two basic lessons here pretty much applicable to everyone:

1) Have a firearm available (ie in process of being tied up, storeowner pulls a
pistol from concealment kills Robber # 1 in back of store, then grabs a
shotgun and shoots it out with Robbers #2&3 looting the front of the store).

2) Have the mentality that if you store guns for unpleasant eventualities, have
the mindset to use them.
 
If robbing stores gets as dangerous as running them, most BGs are going to look for something more lucrative.

Just opinion, but I think the store proprietor did the right thing. Word will get around, and he'll have less trouble from now on.
 
Rob a bank

I believe MOST banks do not use an armed guard to avoid the possibility of shots fired.

So guess the bg's can do the old bank job routine.

But that man was spot on and I pray for his total recovery.
 
I believe MOST banks do not use an armed guard to avoid the possibility of shots fired.

So guess the bg's can do the old bank job routine.

But that man was spot on and I pray for his total recovery.
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Banks in my area hire off dutly leo who provide security in uniform with their cruiser parked out front. Helps serve as a deterrent more than the average rent-a-cop.

Good for the store owner. I'm glad he had a ccw AND a long gun stored elsewhere in the store. The shotgun would have been useless to him if not for the handgun that was unseen by the bgs.
 
I just read this on MSN, and was going to send the link. This guy got hit 3 times and didn't even know it until he untied his wife.

Lets pray that he has a full recovery...and more NRA members buy jewelry from his shop!:neener:
 
This is a perfect demonstration of the saying "A handgun is what you use to fight your way back to a long gun."
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Exactly! It also shows that a lot of times (not every time) incapacitating hits are all in your head. Keep fighting. never give up.
 
This is a perfect demonstration of the saying "A handgun is what you use to fight your way back to a long gun."
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I hate that saying... It is a stupid saying.

Long guns are better, everyone knows it; I am tired of hearing about it. Notice though, the dude did not have a long gun tucked into his pants and it was just CHANCE that he could actually get to one.

He did fine, chance was on his side. That same strategy could get someone else killed though.

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By that I mean that someone trying to "fight their way to there long gun" could easily get smoked in the process. I don't know everything about this case, maybe what he did was the only possibility, but in any kind of fight, your head will lock onto what it considers "hope" or "an idea". Suppose someone breaks into one of on of y'all's place tonight, I would rather you didn't fixate on your long gun and then get killed trying to get it. Supposing they are between you and it...
 
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Thats impressive. Kinda like the guy in the the L.A. area who killed I think, 5or 6 would be robbers, in 3 or 4 different robberies of his store. He had guns stashed all over the store.

I be the first to bring up the question of what caliber was he store owner shot with? To be shot in the shoulder, abdomen and legs and not know it is...well...intersting.
 
The most important parts seem to be two:

1) KNOW how to use your weapons. This man obviously did, and placed his shots well - especially with the shotgun against multiple armed attacks.
2) Survival and combat mindset. This man was determined to prevail in the fight, even if it meant not coming out of it alive. He was quite literally willing to give his life to protect his wife. That is true love right there.
 
A few things about this episode.
First this was a small family owned jewelery store and in a very rough and low income area of Houston.
The owners had the store very well secured with burglar bars and the doors had a magnetic lock which the owners would control by hitting a button letting people in or out.
Not unusual here for small stores to have this kind of setup.
So when the proverbial excrement hit the fan those guys found themselves in a trapped rat position.
The one in the back room who was in charge of tying them up had fallen dead by the owners quick action.
And like the expression or not he did fight his way to his shotgun,taking four gun shot wounds in the process, before getting to his heavier fire power that he had the insight to have at the store,namely the shotgun,and turning the tables on the guys that had very little cover and no way out without finding the door buzzer control button so all parties started blazing away and the guy with the shotgun finally won out and killed them.
A day or two later one block away another bad guy was shot dead trying to rob a store owner in the parking lot of his business by running up behind him and hitting him with some sort of weapon and grabbing his money bag.
Obviously the owner recovered fast enough to stop one of the two guys.
The other is in jail and will spend many years to come in the bowels of the Texas Prison system.
 
I also took away from the article the number of shots fired, too many to count.

Two lessons. First, firepower is important. A high cap gun is better that a 6 shot pocket gun or wheel gun. Second, combat training is also helpful. Practicing getting shots on target without a perfect sight picture and moving is important.
 
I thought the BG had the shotgun and he took it off of him after he shot him. At least that was what it sounded like in the news reports in the Houston area. I know everyone in that area is glad he took out three criminals and hopes for a speedy recovery.:D
 
mbt2001 said:
I hate that saying... It is a stupid saying.

Long guns are better, everyone knows it; I am tired of hearing about it. Notice though, the dude did not have a long gun tucked into his pants and it was just CHANCE that he could actually get to one.
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It wasn't just chance that the shotgun was where he could get to it. He had obviously anticipated the possibility of armed robbery and had the shotgun for that eventuality.

He had the handgun on his body, which is where it is supposed to be. As a defensive weapon, handguns are inferior to long guns in virtually all aspects except portability. The advantage of the handgun is that it is there when you need it, but if you are in a shootout and have the ability to use a long gun, it would be foolish not to do so.
 
The only downside to having a long gun accessable to you for an event such as this is that it may also be available to the bg if he should reach it first.
 
I thought the BG had the shotgun and he took it off of him after he shot him.
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If that was the case I would not try to use it. No way of knowing if it functions properly, what kind of ammo is in it, or even if it is loaded at all. I'd stake my life on my own equipment.
 
hirundo82 said:
It wasn't just chance that the shotgun was where he could get to it. He had obviously anticipated the possibility of armed robbery and had the shotgun for that eventuality.

He had the handgun on his body, which is where it is supposed to be. As a defensive weapon, handguns are inferior to long guns in virtually all aspects except portability. The advantage of the handgun is that it is there when you need it, but if you are in a shootout and have the ability to use a long gun, it would be foolish not to do so.
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All of the planing and caching in the world doesn't mean you can GET to it. The point isn't which is better in a protracted gunfight, but the idea of a saying the encourages people to "fight to their long gun". Fight to get the hell out of there IMO.
 
All of the planing and caching in the world doesn't mean you can GET to it. The point isn't which is better in a protracted gunfight, but the idea of a saying the encourages people to "fight to their long gun". Fight to get the hell out of there IMO.
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Most civilian tactics are geared more towards either stopping or escaping the threat so the fight your way to your long gun doesn't really apply (you most likely won't have one.). In this situation I would happily take the shotgun given its superior performance vs a handgun especially with two armed threats that have no way to exit the building. Just because "fight your way to your long gun" doesn't apply to most situations doesn't mean it isn't a viable tactic if you have one available.
 
It is a nonsense saying, expounding on a ridiculous "tactic" that is common sense to everyone. Grab a bigger gun if you can... It is a gun-ism of the worst kind and no more helpful than "a .45 would have _______________."

It doesn't apply in the real world, only in "armchair general" / "internet commando" situations.
 
mbt2001,
You are not going to convince the rest of us that using a handgun til a long gun becomes available is a "ridiculous tactic". We now know your preference. GIVE IT A REST. Thank you.
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