The_Shootist
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Time to renew my CHL - thanks to misc N'awlins scum.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4277375.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4277375.html
Houston's Murder Rate Highest in Decade
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dasmi
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You beat me too it. Where'd they put all those poor Katrina victims?
Oh yeah! Houston! Enjoy, Texans.
Oh yeah! Houston! Enjoy, Texans.
PinnedAndRecessed
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And you'll never, never get them out of Texas.
Until you cut them off the public dole and pay their way back to the sewer.
Until you cut them off the public dole and pay their way back to the sewer.
U.S.SFC_RET
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Just remember that's it's very politically incorrect to state that most killings and violent armed robbery are committed by african americans. Politicians won't speak about it for fear of getting elected out of office. Every form of government in this country is an emperor who is wearing no clothes when it comes to inner city crime/ black on black crime. If you rule out this type of crime in reporting stats I am willing to bet you a dime to a dollar America would be one of the safest places anywhere.
Mac Attack
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I tent to agree.
I'm a Houstonian, born and raised, and spent a week at the Astrodome when everything first went down and the evacuees first started flowing in.
That was some bull****.
I can say with authority that I have never met a group more characterized by their ungratefulness, self-righteous sense of entitlement, and all around criminal behavior. I'm finishing up my last year of college at UT-Austin, but every time I make it back around home I can notice the changes. Most of the evacuees moved into my area, and things have gone down-hill fast. LEO friends of mine cant help but agree...things have gone from bad to worse, and it's unlikely to ever let up.
I've worked managing a fireworks stand in one such area for the last seven years or so...there are safer jobs during the best of seasons, but I am not looking forward to New Years in the least. CHL should be in the mail in a week or two...
That was some bull****.
I can say with authority that I have never met a group more characterized by their ungratefulness, self-righteous sense of entitlement, and all around criminal behavior. I'm finishing up my last year of college at UT-Austin, but every time I make it back around home I can notice the changes. Most of the evacuees moved into my area, and things have gone down-hill fast. LEO friends of mine cant help but agree...things have gone from bad to worse, and it's unlikely to ever let up.
I've worked managing a fireworks stand in one such area for the last seven years or so...there are safer jobs during the best of seasons, but I am not looking forward to New Years in the least. CHL should be in the mail in a week or two...
ribbonstone
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You got the "best of the best"...prefer the term "Katrinoids".
ribbonstone
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Wasn't joking...the thousands of "guest workers" are hard workers and generally trouble free...glad to have more, and hope many will stay. Figure N.O. is getting non-citizens who are productive. Houston got citizens that were non-productive; a no-brainer trade as far as N.O. is concerned.
Yep...no doubt about it, Texas got the dirty end of the Katrina stick.
Yep...no doubt about it, Texas got the dirty end of the Katrina stick.
22-rimfire
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KenRock said...
That is my impression as well. It is a sad commentary on a certain segment of our society.
The article was fairly interesting. I lived there in the late 70's when the murder rate was pretty darn high. The population has continued to shyrocket since then. I got out. The only good thing that happend to me there were a couple of girls I knew well and buying my first Colt Diamondback.
That is my impression as well. It is a sad commentary on a certain segment of our society.
The article was fairly interesting. I lived there in the late 70's when the murder rate was pretty darn high. The population has continued to shyrocket since then. I got out. The only good thing that happend to me there were a couple of girls I knew well and buying my first Colt Diamondback.
Nio
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I live in Jefferson Parish, which is right outside New Orleans. When we evacuated for Katrina, we evacuated to Houston, and everyone in Texas was friendly and helpful. As soon as we could, we came home, put the house back together, and we're working hard to make things happen here.
Unfortunately, ya'll got stuck with the lower class citizens who are all happy to suck at the public teat and not work hard. What you're dealing with isn't a New Orleans thing. It's a laziness thing. I just don't want ya'll to think that those people are in any way representitive of New Orleanians.
Nio
Never thought they were indicative of the city as a whole...every city has people like that, and it was just our misfortune to happen across all of them at once. 
I have met and like a great deal of the evacuees...but those tend to be the ones that actually care about their future and are willing to sweat to build it. Really all I'd like is for people to acknowledge that such help never was, and never will be, a requirement. We helped because we wanted to and others needed it...but no one was ever entitled. I think we're still distributing free rent vouchers...
I have met and like a great deal of the evacuees...but those tend to be the ones that actually care about their future and are willing to sweat to build it. Really all I'd like is for people to acknowledge that such help never was, and never will be, a requirement. We helped because we wanted to and others needed it...but no one was ever entitled. I think we're still distributing free rent vouchers...
Oh MY
You didn't say that out loud! How politically incorrect of you!
Now say your pentance, bury your head in the sand, say 10 times its not their fault, and request grief councelors for them all. then you can be forgiven (and be called a Democrat). LOL
You didn't say that out loud! How politically incorrect of you!
Now say your pentance, bury your head in the sand, say 10 times its not their fault, and request grief councelors for them all. then you can be forgiven (and be called a Democrat). LOL
beerslurpy
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I have read in various places (and the FBI stats seem to back this up) that if you snip out the various urban ghettos, the murder rate in the US is lower than continental eurpean levels. Almost all the murders and serious violence that happens in this country is confined to a relatively small set of geographical areas.
A co-worker here moved into some apartments on the west side of Houston before Katrina. It was a nice place to live and the complex used to send out a monthly crime neighborhood watch report. Stuff like bicycle was stolen, car vandalised etc... small peanuts.
After the shoot-out between Katricians in the parking lot they quit sending their tenants reports.
After the shoot-out between Katricians in the parking lot they quit sending their tenants reports.
22-rimfire
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With regards to a certain segment of the population, sometimes a "THANK YOU" might be nice. I have met Katrina refugees in my area; they seemed like nice people and I was more than willing to help. Like the Iraq war, helping gets old after a while if people don't help themselves.
The FBI crime statistics are very telling. But, some of the more interesting details are not included such as race, relative economic level of perp, most problematic areas within urban areas, suburban crime, and rural crime. Some of this information might be very useful for folks thinking about moving or retiring at a different location.
I would be most interested in suburban crimes outside the city limits, rural areas, etc. I don't want some race biased report, but the information would be interesting. I just want to know the facts. Factual information on type of firearm used would be useful information as well. I'd like to know things like 22, 9mm, auto, revolver, rifle, etc. With facts you can make up your own mind. But when the pro-gunners and anti-gunners duke it out, you don't know what facts are true or not. The information is all so "grey".
The FBI crime statistics are very telling. But, some of the more interesting details are not included such as race, relative economic level of perp, most problematic areas within urban areas, suburban crime, and rural crime. Some of this information might be very useful for folks thinking about moving or retiring at a different location.
I would be most interested in suburban crimes outside the city limits, rural areas, etc. I don't want some race biased report, but the information would be interesting. I just want to know the facts. Factual information on type of firearm used would be useful information as well. I'd like to know things like 22, 9mm, auto, revolver, rifle, etc. With facts you can make up your own mind. But when the pro-gunners and anti-gunners duke it out, you don't know what facts are true or not. The information is all so "grey".
U.S.SFC_RET
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Just so you can't blame it on "poverty stricken" inner city, just think about this. There are many areas in this country that are poverty stricken. The geological area of appalachia is one, the crime rate doesn't compare. Inner city crime is a culture in itself plain and simple. Every major city taken over by african americans has been ran into shambles. What gets me is that the democratic ticket caters to and runs on the emotions of the inner city but does hardly anything to help these people.
crazed_ss
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OK, I know this might be an unpopular viewpoint here, but dont you think America's racist past has something to do with how things are for many poor blacks? And before anyone starts saying I'm making excuses bla bla bla, noticed I said "SOMETHING TO DO" .. Crime in the inner cities is not simply a function of skin color.. there are a couple other factors involved.
Bob41081
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Can someone tell me what the rate is? A rate is xx/xxxxx. All they ever tell you is an actual number not a true rate. A matter of semantics yes but it still has always bugged me.
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22-rimfire
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If someone wants to maximize the impact of crime statistics, they usually use occurrences. Rates tend to minimize the public's impression of crime in their cities or locales. I prefer to know both myself. Rates are usually given in xx per 1,000 or xx/100,000. Again, the effect on the audience is different. Rates are given for last years crime stats published by the FBI.
Also, when some quote gun related deaths, they include the justifiable with the criminal numbers. They want the numbers as high as possible. This is not the case with the Houston numbers.
The anti gun folks always quote numbers of deaths with guns. They don't want you to know the rate relative to population or the rate relative to gun owners. It's for the children. That is why the discussions on gun crime are so "grey".
Also, when some quote gun related deaths, they include the justifiable with the criminal numbers. They want the numbers as high as possible. This is not the case with the Houston numbers.
The anti gun folks always quote numbers of deaths with guns. They don't want you to know the rate relative to population or the rate relative to gun owners. It's for the children. That is why the discussions on gun crime are so "grey".
National murder rates by race for y2k:
http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html#table1
Houston's murder rate (too lazy to look-up), allowing for a 25% increase would be somewhere around 16 or 17 per 100,000.
http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html#table1
Houston's murder rate (too lazy to look-up), allowing for a 25% increase would be somewhere around 16 or 17 per 100,000.
beerslurpy
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It's a cultural problem, not a biological one. And it's a culture that still exists among white people, but it is treated in a far more unforgiving manner. If white people were dealing crack and shooting each other in drive bys, it would be cracked down on very harshly. But this crackdown wouldnt be condemned as "police racism."
Unfortunately, people like Jesse Jackson perpetuate this culture among blacks by blaming the negative outcomes of the culture on non-existant problems like white racism. As long as you can blame someone else isntead of yourself as the cause of your woes, you will never have to change. As long as police officers are the enemy rather than crack dealers being the enemy, you will continue to have these problems.
Yeah, there was heavy racism in the past and there still is some hiding on the fringes of society, but for the most part, everyone can get ahead regardless of race in this country. I have always said that if you want to see who is holding you back in life and ****ing up your chance at the american dream, look in a mirror.
Unfortunately, people like Jesse Jackson perpetuate this culture among blacks by blaming the negative outcomes of the culture on non-existant problems like white racism. As long as you can blame someone else isntead of yourself as the cause of your woes, you will never have to change. As long as police officers are the enemy rather than crack dealers being the enemy, you will continue to have these problems.
Yeah, there was heavy racism in the past and there still is some hiding on the fringes of society, but for the most part, everyone can get ahead regardless of race in this country. I have always said that if you want to see who is holding you back in life and ****ing up your chance at the american dream, look in a mirror.
Malone LaVeigh
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I'm dying to see the statistics you based that statement on. You didn't just say that because you "feel" it's true, did you? In most places I've lived, rural crime rates seem to be quite high, but I won't make a statement about which is higher, because I don't have the statistics. I'm talking about per capita rates, of course there will be more crime where there's more people.
I won't justify the rest of that racist statement with a response.
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