How accurate are AR15 iron sights?

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I just got the Troy backup iron sight for my flat-top, and had a couple questions...

1) Is there a set range that the rifle will only be accurate at? For instance, if you zero it to hit bullseye at 100yds, will a 200 or 300 yd target not hit exact center? How far off would it be?

2) What are the different apertures for, yardage wise?

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I don't know about your Troy but on a fix carry handle A2 the large aperture is for 0 to 200 Meters and the smaller one is for 300.

Here is a link on how to zero in your baby.
http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/zeroingmethods.msnw

A lot of people just sight it in at 50 yards. That way it has a pretty flat trajectory out to 200 yards or so.

If you know the BC and velocity of the round you are using you could also plug it into a ballistic calculator and get a rough estimate.

http://www.biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=/balcalc.ascx
 
I was thinking about it this way... if the sights are 2.6 inches above the bore, and you sight it in at 50 yds, does that mean at 100 yds the bullets will hit 2.6 inches below center?

Just confused how the groups can be anywhere close at 200 yds to where they were at 50 yds...

Never zeroed in a rifle before.
 
The iron sights on an M4/AR15/M16 are very accurate. They are designed to allow the user to zero at 25 meters and hit the same spot on a 300 meter target.

Here is a picture of my 25 meter target on a 300 meter representation with a 30 round magazine. The group is very tight - yes a little high, but I was zeroing. My next set was center mass, but I forgot to take a picture.

I was using iron sights on my M4, full magazine, semi auto, laying prone supported at 25 meters.
 
Sir,

There are no different apertures for different yardages unless said apertures are on bases of various heights such as the m-16 flip up rear sight for short or longer ranges.
Generally speaking you must raise the rear sight to allow for bullet drop (trajectory) when shooting longer ranges or aim higher to accomplish the same thing.

When the bullet leaves the muzzle it will rise into the line of sight of the rifle sights and continue to rise above the line of sight until gravity begins to pull the bullet down. At some point in its flight it will fall back down and pass through the line of sight again.

Variables such as the sight radius, the weight of the projectile, the speed of the projectile the height of the sights above the bore etc will effect just where a bullet will pass through the line of sight.

At one time I had military targets set up for zeroing the M-1 Garand rifle with 173gr match loads out to 1,000 yards, While shooting at 50 yards. The target looked somewhat like a thermometer with a small black aiming bulls eye at its base and a vertical line with horizontal lines at 200, 300, 500, 600 and 1,000 yard points where the bullet would need to hit as it passed the 50 yard line if you where to shoot those distances.

Larger apertures are helpful / beneficial under certain light conditions and other variables depending on the individual shooter,

I hope this helps.
Vern
 
Is there a set range that the rifle will only be accurate at? For instance, if you zero it to hit bullseye at 100yds, will a 200 or 300 yd target not hit exact center? How far off would it be?

When you zero your rifle (any firearm for that matter with any type of sighting system), the bullet will cross your line of sight (provided the sighting system is mounted directly above the bore and not offset to one side or the other) at two places (unless you zero at the apex of the trajectory of the bullet path). For instance, for the M16/AR15, at 25m and 300m is pretty close to where the bullet crosses the line of sight.

Due to the curvature of the path of bodies propelled through the air (with out additional on-board propulsion), and the ballistics of the .223 and 5.56, the bullet cannot be zeroed at 100yds and 200yds nad 300yds at the same time. You would need a laser for that if you are on Earth or any other planet that has gravity. (Even in outer space, the bullet would only cross the sight line once.)

This is the reason why the standard rear sights of all rifles have some type of adjustment to compensate for the different ranges. Could be a a sight that is on a pedestal that moves up and down like an AR, a ladder like on an AK, a paddle wheel like on a CETME, etc. It sounds as if your AR did not come with a rear sight and you may not have a reference to see the adjustments the regular AR rear sight can have as the Troy, IIRC, does not have any elevation adjustment other than the two apertures. Check out a standard rear sight of an AR.

I was thinking about it this way... if the sights are 2.6 inches above the bore, and you sight it in at 50 yds, does that mean at 100 yds the bullets will hit 2.6 inches below center?

Only if you are using a laser. Due to gravity, it will be less than 2.6" above the line of sight. That is, the flight path of the .223/5.56 is still going up at 100 yds when zeroed at 50 yds.

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When the bullet leaves the muzzle it will rise into the line of sight of the rifle sights and continue to rise above the line of sight until gravity begins to pull the bullet down.

Gravity affects the bullet the instant it leaves the muzzle. The reason the bullet 'appears' to rise is that the rifle (or any firearm) is very slightly pointed upwards so that the flight path of the bullet will meet the line of sight. Their is no aerodynamic lift imparted by the bullet.
 
Using the 25 yard zero is supposed to also give you a 300 yard zero as well but there are other factors to consider. If you are using a standard A-2 set up with a 20" barrel and a 1/7" twist and the 62 gr. bullet loaded to military specs. you will be pretty close. Just be aware that at 100 yards you will be a bit high and will probably be quite a bit high at 200.

Brother in law in Marines taught me how to use my first AR many years ago and this is the method they were taught at that time. With the shorter M-4's and different ammo they are using now I have no idea what the trajectory would look like. I currently just sight in at 100 yards and then make a note of how high or low I am at different ranges and adjust my sight picture accordingly.
 
From the Colt manual.

A2 sights.

Point of impact change per "click"

sightvaluesforA2sight.jpg

Aftermarket sights will have different "click" values.

One thing is for sure though, and this applies NO MATTER WHO MADE YOUR SIGHTS, if your sight radius is typical, movement of the sight 0.006" will move your point of impact one minute of angle.

Rifles with ridiculously-long sight radius will require more movement to achieve the same shift in point of impact.
Conversely, rifles with very short sight radius will require less movement to achieve the same POI change.
 
In the Marines we established a BZO (battle zero) at something like 36 yards (or was it 37?). That allowed effective engagement of man-sized targets from 0 to 300 yards.

As far as how accurate those sights are; I could hit a man-sized silhouette regularly at 500 yards (even in the wind :)). The USMC rifle team (don't know if they use the exact same sights) shoot out to 1000yds.
 
Damn it, makes me wish I would have gotten a rear sight with adjustable elevation. I got the flip down because I'm planning on either getting a red dot sight or a scope. Are holographics and telescopics only accurate at a certain range as well? I know on some scopes you can "click" the distance values... does this have to be calibrated for a specific caliber? Maybe one with a bullet drop compensator will be better...

Just trying to figure out if theres a way to have an accurate shot from 25m to 300m and everywhere in between...
 
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how accurate do you need? you're only off a couple inches.
 
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