How clean for brass, part deux (w/ visual aid)

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Hey there!

Continuing thanks for all the advice that's been offered on this forum; I doubt that I'd be even making the baby steps I am at this point without it. (I'm starting with .45 ACP for various reasons.)

I asked a little while back about how clean brass needs to be after tumbling for reloading, and now I've tumbled perhaps 1.5-2 hours total), de-primed, and tumbled some more (perhaps another hour) my first small batch of cases, all of which come from a box of ammo kindly sent to me by a fellow THR reader.

I've attached a picture showing some of the cases, and seek comment. I tumbled in corncob (don't worry -- no peanut shells, dandruff flakes, or lentils), and did not use any brass polishing stuff; on the next round I intend to do that, though.

In the center (MM) is one I think looks pretty good -- no gunk in the primer pocket at all. The others in the middle row are close.

On the corners (just coincidence in where I GIMPed in the pictures) are the dirtiest looking ones; I realize that a 3D object isn't best shown in 2D, but I hope it's clear enough.

The Speer cases at ML and LR are some of the more beaten-up examples, but I have read many people on this forum endorse (or at least report) reloading .45 cases until the headstamps are illegible, which these aren't ... quite :) The casemouths on all of these look great -- the whole batch didn't have any splits, and I could discern no cracking toward the web on any of them, either, perhaps simply because the donor was circumspect in what he sent.

The Winchester case at UR is one of the small flash-hole ones I mentioned in an earlier post; some people mentioned that it may be WinClean (but before I posted a picture); does WinClean's headstamp just say "Winchester" like this, or would it actually say WinClean?

I'd appreciate any comments on whether these indeed look clean enough for happy reloading, or if I need to clean more crud out.

Cheers,

timothy
 

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Since there's no requirement to tumble brass prior to reloading, they all look plenty good. I've switched to walnut (parrot bedding from the local pet shop) and it works much faster than corn cob. Half an hour to 45 min is enough.
 
I'd dump the Speer, only because their brass is crap. Other than that; I'd load it all.

You'd hate to see what I shoot on a regular basis.
 
The Winchester case at UR is one of the small flash-hole ones I mentioned in an earlier post; some people mentioned that it may be WinClean (but before I posted a picture); does WinClean's headstamp just say "Winchester" like this, or would it actually say WinClean?

The WinClean line of ammunition had primer pockets for small pistol primers instead of large pistol primers. It has nothing to do with the size of the flash hole. From your photo it sure looks like that is a large pistol primer case, just like all the rest. That's good!

The problem with WinClean .45ACP brass is when you are chugging along and you have your rhythm (yes, even with a single stage or turret press) and you can't cram your large primer in the small pocket case that sneaked in. It just makes the whole process untidy, and downright nasty on a true progressive machine.

Winchester cases in the WinClean line are stamped WINCHESTER and have no visible means of identification other than the size of the primer.

Ohhhhhh....

Emmersome cases that are ready for loading! Don't use too much flare, and only a little bit of crimp and you'll have a ball!
 
"Emmersome cases that are ready for loading! Don't use too much flare, and only a little bit of crimp and you'll have a ball!"

Thanks! I'm not sure what Emmersome means, but the day I fire my own self-loaded rounds approaches.

But not ball -- jacketed hollow point :)

When you say "don't use too much flare," though, well, I'm not sure how to vary it -- flaring the casemouth is one of the things that gets done by a die, and it doesn't exactly have a "less flare" setting that I can make out ...

timothy
 
I'd dump the Speer, only because their brass is crap. Other than that; I'd load it all.

Zat so?! Your opinion of course. Want to go head to head with me, I'll shoot speer cases, you shoot what you want? 40 S&W, 357 sig, 45 acp, 44 mag, .357 mag, 45 colt, all in speer cases. They outlast win, rem, and I don't even bother with federal.
 
I'm not sure what Emmersome means...

Sorry, that's just my way of spelling a colloquialism down here in the South. When I moved here I was struck by the way many people pronounce the improper phrase "Them are some..."

thus my silly habit of spelling it Emmersome. ;)

And for the mention of "too much flare", if your die is adjusted to flare the case mouth only enough to seat a bullet without shaving it you will enjoy many more future loadings from the same lot of brass.
 
The problem with WinClean .45ACP brass is when you are chugging along and you have your rhythm (yes, even with a single stage or turret press) and you can't cram your large primer in the small pocket case that sneaked in. It just makes the whole process untidy, and downright nasty on a true progressive machine.

Winchester cases in the WinClean line are stamped WINCHESTER and have no visible means of identification other than the size of the primer.


The first part of this is 100% correct. However the WinClean Brass I had was marked WIN NT. Took me a while to figure out why I was smashing primers - what a mess. Because of it I try to avoid any WinClean Brass.
 
the WinClean Brass I had was marked WIN NT

You know, you are absolutely correct. I was mistaken, now that I think back. The N and T are across from each other, one at 9 o'clock and one at 3 o'clock as I now recall.

Thank you for correcting me and helping me to remember! :eek:
 
I'm not sure what Emmersome means...
Sorry, that's just my way of spelling a colloquialism down here in the South. When I moved here I was struck by the way many people pronounce the improper phrase "Them are some..."

Ha! A real Mark Twainism. I could easily imagine that coming from the mouths of my Southern relatives ;)

I've tried flaring a few cases, just to get a feel for the die, and I think the setup process put the die in a good place; the flare is pretty subtle, and there's no brass shaving that I can tell.

This thread has been very informative! Thanks to all who've added their words.

timothy
 
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