How do I know am I ready to carry?

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Sweethrtfreak

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Hola! I have recently made the decision to get my CCW in the state of AZ. My husband, "C-grunt" is exteremly happy. I am still nervious about the whole situation. The decision to carry has been a long thought process, the world is a scary place and I do not want to get caught in a situation where I am in need of protection and can not fight someone off. These are some of the things that are bugging me...
  • What is a good choice weapon to conceal, but it will not have a recoil that is too extreme?
  • What if I panic while I am attached and do not reach for my weapon?
  • What if I were to use it in a situation, how much trouble could I get in with the police? And could it bring a lawsuit on me or my family?
  • What do I say to people who bring their negative reactions about a woman deciding to carry?
  • What is the best way for me to really learn and understand a weapon?
I want to be completely comfortable with a weapon before I actually decide to start carrying.
Should I purchase a firearm before or after I am comfortable with shooting?
I am just nervious I will not know when or how to react to a situation that needs some defense.
My husband is pretty knowledgeable about firearms, he himself will admit he is not a professional, but he is great for guidence.
Please bring on your suggestions.
Thank you!

I just want to thank EVERYONE for all of the advice and suggestions, I have started at some of the websites and they are AWESOME! *Pax great site, very helpful* I have also started looking for some of the books. I appericate everything. I would rather ask as many questions as possible and get as many great responses than go out with a blind fold on!

Thanks again, EVERYONE!!

PS. I am starting to go to a womans night at Ben Avery every Thrusday. They start with a class, then there are women trainers. I am excited. I have a .22 Walther??? that I am going to bring. Its only for .22's.

"If you are not conscience of others, how can you be conscience of your actions?" -Me, I made it up :)
 
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As I understand it Arizona's CCW course is...comprehensive in what is covered.

Get yourself a good CCW instructor and he or she will clear up a lot of these questions for you.

As to the gun, may I suggest you find a place that has many types for rent and spend some time (and money) finding out just what you like and what you are sure you don't like. Instead of or in addition to renting if you have friends with many types of handguns you could see about trying theirs out. Be sure to pay for the ammo though.

There is a book by Chirs Bird called "The Concealed Handgun Manual" that is just excellent. Also Massad Ayoob's "Combat Handgunnery" is also great. Both of these are in print and may be at your local bookstore.

And anyone who is dismissive of a woman carrying a gun for protection need not be talked with at all. you have the right to protect yourself and if they don't like it they can put an egg in their shoe and beat it.

One last thing when you select your gun, buy a quality piece. Do not skimp. Go with a major manufacturer that has a good reputation and an excellent service policy.

I'm glad you are making this decision.

All the best,

Warren
 
Some sorta related comments/thoughts.

1) - With suitable help/training - sample various weapon platforms. Find what fits and shoots well for you - taking into account how much gun you feel you can reliably conceal, with clothing options and lifestyle. Having found a good gun - become so familiar you can operate it safely and skillfully at all times. Make it your third hand.

2) - Make sure you have the mindset to carry. You may have to take a life to defend your own - it is important you come to terms with this first. That done then remember, you will be only ever shooting in defence (we hope) because someone has forced the issue - it will be the fault of another and not yours that you have to shoot. All being well, like most of us - this will never happen - but you will be prepared.

3) - Take on board the responsibility. We carry as a last resort option if faced with lethal force - but take measures to maximize your skills at situational awareness - it will be always preferable to see trouble coming and escape it, than not see and be forced to act on something avoidable.

4) - You must give thought also - planning if you will - to your method of carry. Should your options allow for belt and holster then buy good quality - it pays dividends for comfort and security.

5) - Those who would challenge your right of self defence will often not be worth arguing with. Tell only family or friends anyways. Your justification is simple - you are following your right and take responsibility for your own safety, something others cannot do always.

Two other small mantra's which are similar -

"Expect the unexpected"

"Do not assume, anything"

Best of luck.
 
Hola! I have recently made the decision to get my CCW in the state of AZ. My husband, "C-grunt" is exteremly happy. I am still nervious about the whole situation. The decision to carry has been a long thought process, the world is a scary place and I do not want to get caught in a situation where I am in need of protection and can not fight someone off.

Bienvenidos! and congratulations. I think you are off to a good start. The CCW course from a good instructor will answer many of your questions. Shop around (get recommendations) and find a good instructor in your area and you can't go wrong. But, be forewarned.... a CCW class is not about teaching you how to use a gun... it is about carrying one concealed. If you are new to shooting, you might want to start with a basic firearms / handgun class then go for the CCW once you are comfortable with your ability to use a handgun.

What is a good choice weapon to conceal, but it will not have a recoil that is too extreme?

Depends on you. The best bet is to "try before you buy." Rent or borrow handguns in different calibers and sizes until you find one that fits.

Should I purchase a firearm before or after I am comfortable with shooting?

Your best bet is to get comfortable shooting then start shopping. That will let you have a better idea about what to look for in the gun that best suits you.

What is the best way for me to really learn and understand a weapon?

In general, take a class from a qualified instructor, then get regular practice. When you are ready, move beyond the basics with additional courses if you have the desire and resources.

These are some of the things that are bugging me...

For your other questions, I'll add my voice to the chorus recommending you review The Cornered Cat. It is a good place for anyone new to start... male or female. I'll also recommend you borrow or buy a copy of this book. It addresses the questions you raised, and then some.
 
Please bring on your suggestions.

The first thing you need to do is give yourself a well earned big pat on the back for taking the decision to defend your life seriously and ask questions.

Your approach is far more sensible than that of people who just jump in with both feet.

The best advice I could give you has already been offered: rent guns before you buy. The more you rent, the fewer dollars you'll waste on guns you'll soon regret having bought.
 
I've practiced martial arts consistently for 20 years and have carried for less than two years. In my experience, living with, carrying, and handling guns on a daily basis requires every bit the discipline of any martial art I've studied. Less so in the physical aspects, but much more so in the mental aspects, the awareness required, and the soul-searching necessary to deal with all of the thoughts that come up. Whenever I am carrying, my primary thought is, "How can I avoid shooting someone?"

Whenever you handle a gun, you need to be "awake". No matter what state you are in (tired, confused, giddy, in a hurry, whatever), you need to "wake up" as soon as you put your hand on your gun.

Memorize the four basic safety rules and follow them perfectly, all of the time. Like taking on any new skill, you need to understand the basics and perform them flawlessly before moving on to new material.

In the privacy of your home, practice safe handling all of the time. Load and unload the gun, verify that it is unloaded, verify again. Then load, unload and repeat. Then carry the gun with you when you go from room to room in your house. Keep your finger off the trigger and the muzzle pointed in a safe direction at all times.

Then try dry-firing in a safe direction. Verify that the gun is unloaded, then verify again. Before you dry-fire, verify that the gun is unloaded, every single time. Even if it's 10 seconds since your last dry-fire. Only by handling the gun can you become comfortable with it.

Then wear the gun around your home in your carry rig. When you're comfortable with that, wear it around your yard, then on simple errands. Comfort with carrying will only come with carrying.

People who don't carry have no idea how much we need to handle our guns on a daily basis, and how vigilant we need to be about everything all the time. It may change your life.

The good news is that just about any skill can be learned, and learned well, by regular practice of the basics and introducing complexity gradually.
 
Sweethrtfreak, you've taken the most important first step in that you've decided to NOT be a victim, and good for you.

All of the mechanics of the gun stuff will come to you easily and soon.
However, what you are almost totally UNprepared for is the mental part of self defense so please, please, please, get the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker and read it cover to cover as soon as you can.

It's not about guns, but about the mental mindset of both predators AND their potential victims (you) and is a BIG step in the right direction for you taking control of your own well being. If you apply what you read to your own daily life, it is likely that will never have to draw the weapon you will be carrying for self defense at all.
While it's good to be prepared and armed, it's better to never have to use it, and that's what that book will do for you.

Carter
 
your hesitation & concerns are a sign that....

You're moving in the right direction.....

It's a sobering decision and I'm wary of folks who show so much bravado about concealed carry.

You probably need to purchase a weapon in order to handle it enough to get the familiarity and confidence you need.

Making a decision about off body carry will come up pretty quickly.....and your right to be concerned about maintaining control of the weapon.

You'll feel much more confident and secure in your choices after your class.

Now....how to get my wife to follow suit ..... :eek:
 
Sweethrtfreak ~

Welcome to THR. :cool:

Lots of good advice above.
What is a good choice weapon to conceal, but it will not have a recoil that is too extreme?
You should start a separate thread to ask that question, because it's an endless debate. There is no "right" answer -- only answers that work or do not work for individual shooters. What I personally chose, when I needed a gun in order to learn to shoot and in order to carry, was a Glock 26 in 9mm. It's small enough to carry, but big enough to do the job, and I find it very pleasant to shoot. But it is by no means the only such gun on the market!

As far as picking a caliber, that's up to you. Most firearms instructors will tell you not to get a defense gun chambered in anything less powerful than a .380 auto, which I think is good advice.

What if I panic while I am attached and do not reach for my weapon?

That's a valid concern, which will fade away as you learn more and think more about this stuff.

What if I were to use it in a situation, how much trouble could I get in with the police? And could it bring a lawsuit on me or my family?

You could get into a lot of trouble, up to and including charges of premeditated murder. You could also be sued for every penny you and your family own.

However.

Those are both worst-case scenarios. Neither one is likely to happen if you do your homework and follow the rules.

There is a lot you can learn beforehand to reduce or even eliminate most of your legal risks. If you use your firearm for defense only when you reasonably believe that there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to an innocent person, your use of the gun can easily be justified in court. I really hate to do this after everyone else has already linked my site above (thanks, folks :eek: ), but there is a lot more that you really need to know about this topic, and it's too long to write here. See http://www.corneredcat.com/Legal/AOJ.htm -- an article which explains how to tell when using the gun could be legally justified.

Finally, it's important to remember that the reason we carry guns is to protect our very lives, and the lives of our loved ones. There are a lot of cliches about this (tried by 12 vs carried by 6, easier to get out of jail than the morgue, etc etc), but the reason these cliches exist is because they are, in large part, true. When you are attacked, your first priority is surviving. If you know the laws and how they apply to you, you will be able to do what you need to do without misplaced fear of the legal situation afterwards.

What do I say to people who bring their negative reactions about a woman deciding to carry?

Well ...

1) Online? Give 'em hell. I do! ;)

2) In real life? They shouldn't know you carry unless they have a genuine need to know. Your husband should know, because if you get into trouble when you are together you will both need to have some idea of what the other one might do (talk that over with him). No one else really needs to know, and should not know.

What is the best way for me to really learn and understand a weapon?

Take a professional firearms training class.

Practice what you are taught.

Practice a lot. Do whatever you need to do to make practice enjoyable: join an action-pistol league if you like to compete, go to the range with friends if you like that. Practice often, and don't get complacent.

Practice some more.

Then take another class.

Lather, rinse, repeat. :)

pax
 
One thing that is often not addressed is though you could be cleared of any felony charges resulting from a clean shoot you still could be sued in civil court by the attacker or his/her family. A loss in that court while not attaching a criminal record to you could be devastating financially.
 
First, go to www.warriortalk.com, register, and start reading.

Before you run out and spend $1000 on hardware, go take Suarez International's classes (located in Prescott, AZ):

1) Defensive Pistol Skills
2) Close Range Gunfighting
3) Extreme Close Range Gunfighting
4) Force on Force

You do not need any gear for these classes; it will be loaned to you. Just tell them that you're just starting out and want to see what gear works. They understand and have stuff available.

You will be treated like an adult and expected to act like one. Some places look down on women shooters (especially new ones). That will not happen at a good school. Certain techniques in these classes are dangerous. Other schools do not allow them. This is part of the difference in learning to shoot and learning to fight.

Gabe operates on the bleeding edge of fighting techniques. There are many nay-sayers. I have trained with him and several others. Only SI and one other have shown me anything useful in a fight. Many other schools focus on training to shoot and fail to prepare the student for dynamic movements that will occur in a real fight. You will learn how to fight, not just shoot. There is a difference.

There are two primary aspects to this: physical skills and mental preparedness. All of this takes time. You MUST be comfortable (skills-wise) with the handgun you decide to carry. At some point, putting that gun on and going out to dinner will feel natural. Learning to fight will ingrain in you a response other than panic. This is the mental game. Again, this will take time because you'll have to think through the consequences of violent action and visualize it in your mind. Like any athlete, if you can visualize the action, you become mentally prepared. If you can visualize killing someone trying to hurt you, then all that remains is to learn the physical responses.

If this upsets you, this is completely normal. Nobody here wants to have an actual gunfight. The reality is there is a 2/3 chance you're going to lose: 1/3 of the time you get them, 1/3 of the time they get you, and the last third you get each other. War sucks; all we can do as mere mortals is to try to influence circumstances and Lady Luck. This is where training and mindset comes into play.

Regarding hardware: it's very difficult to make a recommendation to someone without meeting them. Your best bet is to rent as many guns as possible and try them. Most trainers will recommend a minimum of 9mm or 38 Special caliber. Many people are going to advocate 45 ACP or something with at least 40 caliber. This is for a good reason: your hits are intended to stop the attack as quickly as possible. The only advice I can give you is to get the most gun that you can control and afford.

Just remember, good technique will mitigate recoil. This is very important. I have seen little old ladies shooting large handguns without any trouble at all (I'd want them on my team :) On the other hand, I've seen men who should know better totally mess up shooting because they had bad technique and a large ego. Get trained first; it will save you YEARS of frustration and lots of money. I speak from experience because I taught myself to shoot handguns from GUN MAGAZINES. This was an expensive mistake.

Concealed carry guns typically are an iterative experiment. You may buy one gun because it looks good and fits your hand. However, over time, you may become dissatisfied with it for concealed carry. That is perfectly normal. The problem is that this iterative process is expensive because the cost of the gun is really the total cost of gun, accessories, gear, ammunition, and practice. I once figured out that purchasing a new handgun (for which I had no existing gear) cost at least $500-1000 beyond the price of the gun. You will find that you'll want two or three holsters per handgun because they have different purposes and levels of concealability. The list goes on....

Recently, I have been looking at military surplus and used guns. They generally have a much lower cost. For example, aimsurplus.com offers CZ-83 pistols for $229! There is decent power in the 9x18mm cartridge and it doesn't break the bank. You can also look at the CZ-52. It's not the best gun in the world, but it costs $140. You could do worse.

For used guns, I always recommend Browning, HK, Glock, SIG, Springfield Armory, Smith and Wesson, CZ, Ruger and Beretta. All are quality firearms made by companies that support their product. Smith and Wesson, Springfield, and SIG have excellent customer service. Once you have some experience in guns (and have an idea what you want), cruise the ads at elitedealseeker.com. Better yet, find a mentor and cruise some local gun shows.

Here is a list of gear that you'll need to support concealed carry (especially if this is your first gun). I have found this is stuff that accumulates over time. Get it and be done with it.

1) Gun
2) Spare magazines. Keep at least four. If you attend training, take at least six. I take 15 or so when I go because I'd rather shoot than load.
3) Hearing and eye protection
4) Cap
5) Gun bag
6) Ammo. Keep at least 500 rounds of practice ammunition and 100 rounds of self-defense ammunition.
7) Cleaning gear (rods, patches, jags, brushes, solvent, lube, rags, bore lapping compound)
8) Holster. You'll want at least one strong side carry holster, one appendix carry holster, and one alternative (off-body) holster such as a fanny pack or day-timer thingie. I usually have two or three strong side holsters.
9) Ammunition holder for the belt. Always keep at least two spare reloads. It would be terrible to lose a gun fight just because the goblin had more ammunition. Most criminals don't carry spare ammunition.
10) Surefire (or equivalent) flashlight, batteries and holder.
11) Snap-caps and dummy cartridges for training.
12) Gun belt. This is the most important, back-saving device invented. Get a good one from a holster maker.
13) Targets. I shoot paper plates and Shoot-n-Sees.
14) More ammo.
15) More magazines
16) Spare parts. Guns go through recoil springs and other small parts.
17) 22 Conversion kit if it is available for your firearm (and spare mags). This allows for cheap training using the same platform and holster.
18) Spare gun -- same model as your primary carry gun. If your gun breaks, you'll have a spare.
19) Self-defense insurance from the NRA (actually, an affiliate). ***They will reimburse you the cost of your defense up to $50,000 if you are found not guilty.***
20) NRA and Gunowners.org membership
21) Annual range membership so you don't have to pay everytime you go. Besides, it's fun to go to the range and shoot two mags worth of ammo after lunch!
22) Concealed Carry Magazine subscription (the only one worth having)
23) Magazine loader. Stuffing 1000 rounds into magazines over a two day class is hard on the thumbs!
24) Principles of Personal Defense by Jeff Cooper. This is a VERY influential and important book.

Here is an example gun review that I did: http://thegunblogs.com/node/304. Also check out my post on "Appendix carry". There are tons of good articles and reviews out there. gunblast.com has some great reviews on a wide variety of firearms and gear. Also look at http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html and http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/OtherHandguns.htm.

PM me if you have additional questions or want additional links to informational websites (versus dis-informational ones :)
 
There are a lot more knowledgeable people here than I, so I would just add a couple things and not complicate the issue.

If people give you negative vibes about you being a woman and carrying... ignore them. Most rational people would agree that women need the protection of a CCW more than most men. No offense, but you're an easier target right out of the box. F their opinion. It's your right and your choice.

As for being comfortable with what you are packing... just wear it around the house at first. You can even keep it unloaded. Wear it out with your guy, unloaded if you want, since he'll be packing. A week or more of that and you'll realize that it's not "just going to go off. That's how I did it the first time I carried 8 years ago. Better to take your time and KNOW its safe than be scared and pussyfoot around it. You don't HAVE to carry it everywhere. It's not a requirement. You don't need to be a Tackleberry, but it's good to have the option to go armed if you so desire. Middle of the day in your backyard, probably don't need it. Running to get milk after dark by yourself, sure, bring it. Don't stress!!

And don't stess about using it either. If you are even asking these questions you're not just going to do something illegal. People with a concience just don't shoot people on a whim. Don't worry about the law... you're not going to use it unless it's a last resort anyways. Are you planning on waving it around in line at Wal-Mart if people are going too slow? No? Then don't worry :D
 
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