How do you feel about polymer framed pistols?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by JellyJar, Aug 18, 2010.

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How do you feel about polymer frame pistols?

Poll closed Sep 7, 2010.
  1. I don't like poly frame pistols and I will never buy one/another.

    29 vote(s)
    40.3%
  2. I don't really like poly frame pistols but I may buy one in the future.

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    59.7%
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  1. akadave

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    Harsh? You just made some characterizations about my abilities with a handgun with no more info than a single incident years ago. You jumped to conclusions and you remind me of the fevered looking people that I see at gun shows that are "on" all the time. I actually have trained, with one of the best and I have been shooting for 30 years. So, take your HBP meds and have a chill.

    Thanks for the sage advice though....yeah.

    And LEO that I have talked to believe it to be a dangerous trigger and there is enough info on the web attesting this that it just might be so. This was from 1996.
     
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  2. Maverick223

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    Sounds like it...
     
  3. oldfool

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    Zytel, Nylon 6/6, etc. are thermoplastic polymers (thermoplastic polyamide formulations). So there. The "softening point" of such polymers are ~400F, but "strength" can be effected at lower temperatures, a Glock grip/frame can be "softened" by boiling water. Manufacturing costs are cheaper with polymer than with steel.

    and a german shepard dawg can make a mess of a Glock or LCP chew toy in about 15 minutes. :neener:
    say it ain't so !

    common speculation being that Glock frame base material is Nylon 6/6, Zytel "family", with carbon black for UV resistance, and a dab of magic x,y,z
    (and maybe carbon/graphite fiber reinforcement, carbon is non-metallic) some polymers are injection molded, some are cast

    I own one plastic handgun (LCP), but I do wish it was made of 100% steel/alloy, and had a better trigger
    I own thirteen 100% steel/alloy handguns (other than grips on them)
    I don't own a Remington Nylon 66, but I thunk they was pretty cool back in the day
    My great-grandchildren think silly putty is just great (and silly putty is a polymer), so I can't very well hate polymer

    If they ever make a non-blocky Glocky with a better trigger, I might buy one, but I ain't holding my breath waiting.
    (there really is a very practical reason for the 'blocky', and cosmetics or ergonomics ain't it)
    I don't run over my handguns with bulldozers, and I don't drop 'em in boiling water either
    If you do boil yours, don't overdo it, the base polymer can be adversely impacted by long term immersion in hot water
    running over 'em with bulldozers purely optional, of course, user choice

    PS
    Glock hate/love threads are about as silly as... silly putty... and non-poll polls :rolleyes:
     
  4. lanber

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    Why do people insist on calling polymer guns plastic?
     
  5. oldfool

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    what i really realy really want to know is...

    do they make thermoplastic polymer SLINKYs, or do they only come in steel alloys ???

    slinkys are cool :D
     
  6. ProCarryNAustin

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    Nothing but HK here, so yes, I like polymer.
     
  8. Tennessee Ned

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    I really like my Steyr and HK but I like steel and alloy better except for their weight.
     
  9. Maverick223

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    You have to remember that water has more heat capacity than air, so what happens in boiling water isn't likely to occur at the same temperature in air; therefore a Glock (et al) probably isn't for you if you have plans to drop it in boiling water (or an oven), you probably don't have anything to worry about otherwise.

    I think the quality (of the firearm and materials) is more important than the name; because this is alloy:
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    ...and this is polymer:
    [​IMG]
    ...which would you rather have?

    :)
     
  10. Yikes!

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    Ianber - "Why do people insist on calling polymer guns plastic?"

    Let's keep it simple... Saying Plastic/polymer is like saying metal/alloy IT'S plastic! It's just a high grade blend of plastics. I'm no chemist but that's how I understand it.

    As to preferences. I have owned several PLASTIC guns and they all shot okay. But they all have a peculiar resonance when shot that I never grew fond of. I still own a 1st gen. Springer XD compact in .45. I keep it because of capacity.

    1911's float my boat. Full steel, Stainless Steel and Steel w/alloy.
    If we all like the same stuff imagine how boring the internet would be.
     
  11. huntsman

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    That just goes to show how bad things have gotten, why when I was a kid the Slinky was ONLY available in STEEL and the world was a better place. :)
     
  12. Ben86

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    So true. I stopped only practicing draw/fire after I almost ventilated my bedroom window (luckily I have no neighbors because I live in the middle of nowhere), when I drew after forgetting I didn't shoot all the ammo I took down to the range (like I usually do) and had a fully loaded gun. Luckily I caught myself starting to pull the trigger and stopped when I remembered the thing was loaded. Ayoob also recommends not practicing exclusively with draw/firing for the simple reason that not every circumstance that you draw your weapon will call for your to fire your gun immediately. I practice mostly just a draw with my trigger finger staying on the frame. I also practice the draw and fire, but not as much. I don't want it to become automatic.
     
  13. ProCarryNAustin

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    If it works the same, I really don't care what it is made out of.... and the world was indeed a better place, but it was because of the people and not the materials they used.
     
  14. Boris bush

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    You all steel guys are funny. You know them way overpriced 1911s are full of MIM parts. Unless you have a high $$ custom job and specify NO MIM or have a SIG 1911, then you have a gun full of MIM parts. You know, they use plastic as a binder as the metal is injected. They also, no matter how hard they try to, there is always a little bit of plastic left behind. To the point that MIM is 90-97% as dense as cast or machined parts. Even a 3% loss of density is not something I want in a sear or other important part....

    Just sayin'. Your gun might be "all steel" but if it has MIM (very few steel guns do not have MIM), then its got plastic in it too.......

    I would rather have a gun that has plastic in it as a design, than a method of making parts cheaper......
     
  15. akadave

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    Lot of MIM in S&W revolvers too.
     
  16. KBintheSLC

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    Me too
     
  17. Boris bush

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    This is nothing but a furtive Hate thread anyway. I have no clue why it has lasted this long.........
     
  18. mustang_steve

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    I really like polymer frame pistols for one reason: weight....the lower weight makes CC more comfortable. Now, if only they could design pistols with smoother rears so my fastfood belly isn't chafed quite so badly, then I'd have true perfection....a fast draw with minimal comfort issues.

    A steel or aluminum framed pistol would weight quite a bit more, and in case of steel, have higher maintenance as well...with exception of stainless steel, which is even heaiver and costs more.

    I appreciate beautiful firearms, but a CC handgun isn't meant ot be seen except in the most dire of circumstances...I'd prefer mine to be as plain as possible, since I'd rather the cash spent go into accurizing it instead of looks.
     
  19. CHEVELLE427

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    I LIKE MOST ALL GUNS EVEN THE UGLY ONES SOMETIMES.

    but the poll didnt help me so i passed it

    wish i could buy more.
    new , old, used, broken, i like most all of them
     
  20. Ben86

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    That sounds like the standard Kahr trigger to me.
     
  21. gofastman

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    If this is an issue, you shouldn't own a gun or a dog :rolleyes:
     
  22. gym

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    Besides they aren't all polymer, 80 or more percent is still metal
     
  23. Dookie

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    2 things.
    First. I don't think my 2.5 pound polymer gun can be called lightweight. Granted, it does hold 17 rounds of 40 :)
    Second. A very basic way to compare plastic to polymer is like this.
    Plastic is to polymer as pot metal is to steel. Yes, the materials are very close at the base level, but when they are finalized they are very different.
     
  24. Lateck

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    I too did not vote... I like some Poly grip guns ;-)
    I have a couple already.
    So my next one might be a polymer frame gun, just depends on the gun.

    Lateck,
     
  25. oldfool

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    nope, it ain't an issue, and I do own both :):)

    "I don't run over my handguns with bulldozers, and I don't drop 'em in boiling water either"
    plastic, polymer, or steel

    (and I don't let the dawg chew on none of 'em either, hard on the dawg's teeth, whether hard on the gun or not.. just never could figure out why bulldozer proof ought to matter to me.. but I would be happier if more folks would just quit leaving SS guns in leather for way way too long, it would save me a lot of cleanup effort)
     
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