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How fast can you run your pump shotgun?

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  1. Random 8

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    In the early 2000's, I shot at Federal Cartridge's home club when he was a rep for them. He'd show up some nights of trap league, usually with a couple of VIPs of some sort in tow. Was a great guy, he'd just strike up a conversation with you out of the blue, especially if you were shooting a Benelli. My claim to fame was being beaten by him in an Annie Oakley shoot. We were the only 2 guys shooting Novas. Ended up shooting from 5 yards behind the 27 line, hard left. I missed a bird, he got it, with pretty much the whole club watching by that time. That was a feel good loss if I've ever had one.
     
  2. lemaymiami

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    Saw the initial question and got a bit put off.

    All of my training and actual experience with a shotgun was on the street hunting two-legged types for a full career. The last thing I ever worried about was how quickly I could cycle the gun and shoot it dry... Used properly, a 12ga with ordinary 00buck rounds is a one shot fight ender, period. At least that was my actual experience.

    Yes, I always wanted to be ready for the next target - but training to be able to empty a magazine as quickly as possible never interested me at all.
     
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    My record , after half a dozen SG classes from Luis Awerbuck was to let Uncle Scott Reitz work me for all 72 shells I was carrying on his 180 course. Non stop random 180 degree steel pop ups. My 3 Rd gen 870 was Snick snicking as I knocked them down until running dry. I too used to get around half second splits on close multiple targets with aimed fire. I did sporting clays alot too, but not usually with a pump.
     
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  5. Robert Highhawk

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    Fast enough to get a triple on Bob White quail
     
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  6. 1KPerDay

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    That sounds like a hoot. Did you have enough time between presentations to stuff anything into the mag or did you just single load for the majority of the time? Also what ammo carry system were you using?
     
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  7. jmorris

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    The only match (side) I ever won with a pump action was also with one I’d never shot before. IIRC it was 3 poppers, move/reload and 2 more, 3.82 or 3.62 seems to be stuck in my head.

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  8. Gordon
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    It was crazy ! I had a 7 shot mag tube , 870 set up like a Border Patrol Wilson in 2010. 6 shot side saddle and short Houge stock and Surefire foreend. I had a custom dump pouch hanging from pistol belt with two boxes of loose bird shot and a few slugs in my cargo pants. Scott knew I was an advanced student of Louis and this was one of his advanced pistol courses that had a shotgun evolution in it .he also was playing me as a training junkie civilian :) I learned to really snick an 870 and was at my peak about then after 30 years doing so. My 870 was extremely slick, hard chrome and NP3 on all parts and polished. Soo he put me into the of the class knowing I was rattling with shells and did his best to humiliate a 63 year old. I did my best to keep my gun fed , it was the longest 90 seconds of my life and yes I missed a couple poppers as fast as he could manipulate them while the cops were hooting at me .Fast times at Eagle's Nest .

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    Awesome !
     
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    I tried a Benelli Nova in training and matches. I slicked this one up and had a machinist redo the frame that hold recoil pad and cut it back to 13" LOP with the bigger Limbsaver. BUT although the gun is very accurate but I could never get the split time close to a polished 870 because of the Nova's longer stroke for 3.5" capability I guess :( I still keep it handy, with heavy slugs which it is sighted in for at 100 yards !
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  11. Corpral_Agarn

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    Cool thread idea!

    4 out of the air with my trusty 20 gauge 870 is about the best I can do.

    This was a few years ago. Makes me want to get a timer involved.
     
  12. Gordon
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    Now in my opinion the "slickest " pump shotgun is the Remington 31 and I have 4 of them in all guages and hunted them alot over 40 years. I also like Ithaca Featherweight, I carried an LAPD Model 37 issued one my father bought for me in Nam alot my first tour. . I met my dad over there in 69, he was developing the FLIR system for Army in the Mohawk airplane . He was there 90 days and brought the Ithaca riot gun with him and left it with me with 50 brass cased buckshot. In those days they did not check what came in country very much unless you were in a mass deployment. Slam fire is just a carnival trick IMHO .
     
  13. Hookeye

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    I detest the M500.
    Thick wristed shotguns and wingshooting don't mesh with me.
    M500 back in the day was a good slug gun for deer (smoothbore, they tended to outshoot Big Green's offerings).
    But they had that top safety, so when scoped kinda irked some folks (pre Maverick days).
    Oddly the smoothest 870 I ever had, was an Express. Have owned several Wingmasters, from the 80's and before.............but this one cheapo Express was like greased lightning.
    Of course a few others since have been pretty clunky.
    I still have one, a Supermag...........it's not the smoothest, but it's tolerable. Not worth the effort to smooth it up.
    It's killed a lot of doves, much to the dismay of the purists :)
     
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  14. 1KPerDay

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    Wow! It must be cool to have a "national championship first place" award in anything. I think my chances of that are nil to the nth power. :D
     
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    Wow! Loading loose rounds from a dump pouch? My respects, sir. I have a hard enough time loading quickly with caddies, bandoliers, etc.
     
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    One may appreciate accurate rapid cycling of a pump if they have dealt with large bears, a charging wild boar at close range hell bent in doing you great harm. I don't know of any guides who choose a single shot or even a double barrel over a pump while guiding in such country. Could be some around but pretty sparse IMO.
     
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  17. jmorris

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    With that attitude...;)

    The most important lesson you can learn from winning, is that you can.

    That was a good year for me though.

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  18. 1KPerDay

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    Wow. Props.
     
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    Walt Snyder, who knows a bit about Ithaca 37's, warns all who will listen not to slamfire an Ithaca 37.

    The slamfire Winchester 1897 became famous sweeping out WWI trenches.
     
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  20. Captcurt

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    Don't shoot a pump much anymore, but I used to hit triples out of an outers clay thrower. Doubt if I can do it now with a semi-auto.
     
  21. Mousegun

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    Same with my Ithaca model 37
     
  22. 1KPerDay

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    Um...
     
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    Might be interesting to see that......
     
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  24. C0untZer0

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    Maybe that was an M3 in pump mode?
     
  25. AJumbo

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    I used to be able to run a 97 quicker than any of the autos fired by the folks in my sporting clays league, and hit targets. I outran other pumps, too. The speed got even better when I semi-retired the 97s and started running 870s. I'm pretty sure the speeds are way down now, but it would be fun to shoot my 1100, 870 and 97 against the clock to see whether the old guy still has it.
     
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