"If you can convince the gun people that drugs are okay and the drug people that guns are okay, then everybody is a libertarian." -I don't know who said it originally, but I heard it (or something similar anyway) from Penn Jillette.
I obviously don't post here a lot, but I read quite a bit and I've noticed a slight shift from a more republican/right wing political stance when I first signed up to a more libertarian political stance. Maybe it's just that there are more people from that camp joining here. I'm curious how far the libertarian stance goes here however. I still see the occasional, "god given right", argument in reference to gun rights around here. I'm not sure exactly where gun rights are given in the bible, but then again I haven't read that book yet, so maybe it's in there. As an atheist, a (multiple) gun owner and at least mostly siding with libertarian political ideas, I recognize the right to own firearms as a constitutional right, but actual gun ownership as a choice (and a prudent one in a society where criminals still have access; provided the legal owner is reasonable, responsible and educated in their use).
It's those occasional, "god given right", comments (among others, I guess) that I see that make me wonder though...
If it's okay for people to own guns, is it okay for people to use drugs ("hard" drugs) responsibly? If someone actually wants to do marijuana, cocaine or heroin or any other recreational drug in moderation and does it safely and is in a reasonably controlled environment (home, a bar, etc...), can handle a steady job, etc... Is there a problem with it? This issue kind of hits close to home, I think -thus the relevance of the quote. People are irresponsible with a legal drug, alcohol, and kill people by drinking and driving or maliciously by being so belligerant they beat someone to death. Just like with guns, it's not the alcohol or the drugs doing the deed, it's the person being irresponsible. So can we really reconcile the difference here? My opinion: It is far easier to be responsible with guns since they don't have quite the same addictive quality drugs do, although I do get a sort of "high" (endorphin rush?) when shooting. On the other hand, IF someone can be a responsible, productive member of society while using drugs, I don't see a problem with it.
I obviously don't post here a lot, but I read quite a bit and I've noticed a slight shift from a more republican/right wing political stance when I first signed up to a more libertarian political stance. Maybe it's just that there are more people from that camp joining here. I'm curious how far the libertarian stance goes here however. I still see the occasional, "god given right", argument in reference to gun rights around here. I'm not sure exactly where gun rights are given in the bible, but then again I haven't read that book yet, so maybe it's in there. As an atheist, a (multiple) gun owner and at least mostly siding with libertarian political ideas, I recognize the right to own firearms as a constitutional right, but actual gun ownership as a choice (and a prudent one in a society where criminals still have access; provided the legal owner is reasonable, responsible and educated in their use).
It's those occasional, "god given right", comments (among others, I guess) that I see that make me wonder though...
If it's okay for people to own guns, is it okay for people to use drugs ("hard" drugs) responsibly? If someone actually wants to do marijuana, cocaine or heroin or any other recreational drug in moderation and does it safely and is in a reasonably controlled environment (home, a bar, etc...), can handle a steady job, etc... Is there a problem with it? This issue kind of hits close to home, I think -thus the relevance of the quote. People are irresponsible with a legal drug, alcohol, and kill people by drinking and driving or maliciously by being so belligerant they beat someone to death. Just like with guns, it's not the alcohol or the drugs doing the deed, it's the person being irresponsible. So can we really reconcile the difference here? My opinion: It is far easier to be responsible with guns since they don't have quite the same addictive quality drugs do, although I do get a sort of "high" (endorphin rush?) when shooting. On the other hand, IF someone can be a responsible, productive member of society while using drugs, I don't see a problem with it.
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