How Hip-hop Has Embraced and Rejected the Firearm

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I came across this link and found it interested and disturbing :mad: the media bias toward guns is unbelievavle


http://www.exclaim.ca/index.asp?navid=16&csid1=108&csid2=779&fid1=24115

Loaded Words
How Hip-hop Has Embraced and Rejected the Firearm
By Rodrigo Bascuñán and Christian Pearce

Way back in 1982 Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five released “The Message,” one of the very first commercially successful rap tracks, and a cut on which guns play a role. In the words of the All Music Guide to Hip-hop, it was “the first time hip-hop became a vehicle not merely for bragging and boasting but also for trenchant social commentary.” On “The Message,” Bronx-born Melle Mel does the math for would-be Pretty Boy Floyds, summing up the consequences of a stickup kid’s lifestyle: an “eight-year bid” in prison being “used and abused.” Mentioning a “street sweeper,” Mel isn’t rapping about assault rifles; he’s talking about the job his son could expect if he chose to drop out of school.

When he was inking “The Message,” it’s doubtful that Melle Mel foresaw the global culture that his creativity was helping give rise to. And he definitely didn’t see that guns themselves would one day become the message.

“I was listening to a radio interview,” Mel said, “and the first guy who made the drum machine — the Lindrum — he was a drummer, and he said if he knew what the Lindrum would have done for drummers and musicians, he would’ve never invented the Lindrum. It’s almost the same way I feel about rap.”

The obsession with firearms evident in a lot of rap music today didn’t develop overnight, nor did it emerge in a vacuum. Emcees are influenced by gun culture like most other males their age: they grow up reading the same comics, watching the same movies and playing the same videogames. Arguably, the success of The Punisher, Terminator and Grand Theft Auto, as just a few popular examples, has impacted the content of hip-hop even more than life on any street.

By now, however, hip-hop’s own social influence is undeniable. Just as video game designers look to movie directors for inspiration, and vice-versa, hip-hop inspires them both — not to mention other genres of music, and even pro sports. Hip-hop influences how people dress, what rides they dream of driving and what gats they pack. The effect of rap music on youth especially, how shorties see issues such as gun violence, is clear.

But while other entertainment industries have found it convenient to excuse the often sour fruits of their influence, some hip-hop artists have, like Melle Mel, never had a problem acknowledging their power and accepting responsibility for how they use it.

Hip-hop journalists Reggie C. Dennis and Cheo Hodari Coker both mentioned two tracks released in 1987 as critical contributions to the evolution of guns in rap: “9mm Goes Bang,” from Boogie Down Productions (BDP) and Public Enemy’s “Miuzi [pronounced “my uzi”] Weighs A Ton.” “When you held these records it changed your life,” said Dennis, “because no one had ever thought to just make weapons of destruction a nice part of a song.”

BDP recorded “9mm Goes Bang” for their first long-player, Criminal Minded. On the album cover Blastmaster Kris sits beside his DJ, Scott LaRock, the young artists draped in handguns, ammo belts and even a grenade. It was an image unprecedented in the culture. By the time Boogie Down Productions released its second LP, 1988’s By All Means Necessary, Scott LaRock was gone, shot dead as he tried to make peace at a party in the Bronx. And while his partner, KRS-One, could still be found holding a Micro-Uzi on the cover of his sophomore record — adopting Malcolm X’s famous pose as he peered from behind closed curtains with rifle in hand — the Teacher had emerged. KRS-One’s second album featured “Stop the Violence,” a song he followed a year later with “World Peace” on 1989’s Ghetto Music: The Blueprint of Hip-Hop. When KRS did rap about guns — on “Love’s Gonna Getcha (Material Love)” from 1990’s Edutainment, for example — it was in the form of a parable, as a hot song with a chilling message.

In 1989 a young fan was killed in a fight during a BDP and Public Enemy concert. Soon after, KRS-One organized the East Coast’s most popular rap artists to collaborate on “Self-Destruction,” a single that addressed the violence that was victimizing hip-hoppers. We were in our early teens when the single dropped, and peace couldn’t have sounded cooler than coming from our favourite rappers. KRS-One set it off, Big Daddy Kane kicked a verse, even Just-Ice, who was implicated but never charged in the murder of a drug dealer in ’87, took the glory out of gangsterism with his rhymes. Public Enemy’s Chuck D and Flavor Flav closed out “Self-Destruction,” rhyming back and forth in classic fashion.

Chuck D’s attitude towards violence in the culture hasn’t changed in the years since. “The fact is, guns are our problem,” Public Enemy’s front man declared on PBS’s In the Mix program. “When you happen to look on TV and see these music videos glorify guns or hear a song talking about how guns is fly, you have to begin to separate the real. As a matter of fact, in reality, guns only cause pain for everyone involved.”

On the phone in 2005, Chuck explained the need to make such a statement. “I just think there’s never been a time such as now that there is so much imbalance,” he said. “When I was growing up, we played cowboys and Indians with little toy guns and water guns, and even my first song was looking at the gun as a revolutionary tool, but not as a leisure weapon to shoot yourself with. And that was the right to bear arms, and that was what made me come out with ‘Miuzi Weighs a Ton,’ using it as a metaphor for my brain in songs.”

Unfortunately, while Chuck D’s music and motivations have always been well-considered, his group’s message wasn’t so consistently understood. Many fans were taken more by the sight of S1W (Security of the First World) on stage in fatigues, swinging replica Uzis and performing militaristic dance steps, than they were with what PE were trying to communicate with the image. Some of Public Enemy’s own followers believed the hype.

A share of KRS-One’s fan also absorbed his messages selectively. KRS is credited with helping set the stage for both the positive-minded Native Tongues movement and gangsta rap — a testament to the Blastmaster’s incredible artistic balance. In the movie based on the life of Curtis Jackson, as the scene shifts from the star as a boy to the star as a young man, he points a .357 revolver at the mirror. He raps along with one of his hip-hop heroes as BDP’s “9mm Goes Bang” plays on his deck. A Public Enemy poster hangs on the wall behind him.

In 1989 Los Angeles’ N.W.A. broke through with their second record, Straight Outta Compton, and revolutionized the rap game. The L.A. crack epidemic had taken hold, drug dealers were stockpiling weapons and homicide statistics were set to soar. When Ice Cube, MC Ren and Eazy-E rapped about AK-47s and Uzis, it wasn’t as a metaphor for their brains. They were talking about shooting cops, “bitches” and their fans. With the controversy around the song “**** the Police,” Straight Outta Compton set new standards for lyrical gunplay — and sales. It went triple platinum, selling more than three million copies, an unheard of number for a non-commercial hip-hop LP. Ironically, the album sparked another trend, one that continues to drive sales of hip-hop: its retail success was fuelled largely by suburban teens.

The album shifted some of hip-hop’s focus towards the West Coast and away from the positivity of “Self-Destruction.” Straight Outta Compton did include Dr. Dre’s upliftingly unfit “Express Yourself,” but the LP’s dominant message was that gangsters plus guns, mixed with a scoop of misogyny, could equal commercial success. Many rappers on both coasts got the message.

In 1991, on “Same Song,” a track created for Dan Aykroyd’s movie Nothin’ But Trouble, as the Digital Underground’s Shock G prepared to pass the mic to a then little-known rapper and D.U. dancer, he rapped “Just watch, ‘cause my name is Shock, I like to rock, and you can’t stop this / 2Pac go ‘head and rock this.” With the Digital Underground, Pac would clown around on the mic, keeping his lyrics lighthearted. At other times the NYC-born, Baltimore-and-Oakland-raised artist rapped about teenage pregnancy, police corruption and the frustrations of ghetto living. Sometimes Pac was straight gangsta.

“America has always celebrated bad boys and gangstas,” Shock G said, “from Christopher Columbus to the wild Wild West to Scarface to Eazy-E to George Bush. This is precisely why a well-read and formally trained poet, actor, historian and activist like Tupac saw the need to incorporate some ‘thug’ into his style.”

“Why do you think so many in hip-hop are so determined to convince everyone they’re ‘never scared’?” Chris asked.

“Since the fearless ‘gangsta’ mentality became such a marketable characteristic within the entertainment industry, many artists choose to tap into that success by projecting themselves as part of it in an attempt to capture the interest and curiosity of the average non-gangsta record buyer, as well as the camaraderie of the other fellow gangsters. Meanwhile, the young budding personalities whose minds are still supple and mouldable find themselves imitating this popular behaviour before they fully understand the repercussions of living that way. The result is often a prison term for an action of violence in response to an insignificant attack on one’s pride or character. A time to kill used to be when there was no other option, but lately a mere verbal dis to one’s attire or neighbourhood can lead to murder.”

Shock G’s belief in the significant influence of rap music on youth is nothing new. In 1990, Shock (and his alter ego, Humpty Hump) joined some of the West Coast’s most respected rappers to record “We’re All in the Same Gang,” organized in response to an explosion of gang violence, the vast majority of which involved guns. The track featured Tone Loc, Ice-T and even N.W.A.’s Ren, Dre and the “violent hero” himself, Eazy-E. Letting listeners glimpse through their images and rapping about the real ends of a gangster lifestyle, they took a stand against the killing.

Shock G evaluated the gunplay in rap music today in a word: “Boring. It’s just a popular trend right now. In some cases it’s an excuse for not having anything else interesting to talk about. It’s also insurance for some rappers: ‘Don’t criticize my style or I’ll shoot you.’”

While the West Coast’s finest were dropping “We’re All in the Same Gang,” back east positivity still ruled the rap music of the day. It was, in many fans’ memories, hip-hop’s golden age. Groups like Main Source and A Tribe Called Quest produced timeless, and virtually gatless, classics. Brand Nubian’s 1990 LP One For All was another masterpiece that didn’t glorify pieces. When a reunited Brand Nu played Toronto in 2004, Lord Jamar talked about the influence of emcees on issues such as gun violence.

“I think they’re very influential,” Lord J said, as Sadat X snoozed on the side. “Life imitates art; art imitates life. Once you say something on a record, there is a segment of the population that is influenced by that. They will directly do what you tell them. People say, ‘Aw, that’s stupid. You can’t let a record influence you.’ Yeah, but people do. Not everybody does, but a lot of people do. And that’s why you gotta watch what you say. Rap artists are role models. We can’t raise people’s kids, but at the same time, we’re influencing people’s kids, and you gotta be aware of that. You can’t brush it off and say, ‘The parents need to check the lyrics for them.’ They can’t always check the lyrics for them. It reaches people.”

[In 1994], OutKast’s Southernplayalisticaddillacmuzik brought Southern gangsta to Star Trek samples, signally the new duo’s otherworldly talent. Big Boi and Dre played with pistols on their debut, reflecting life amidst the heat in Atlanta, but it wouldn’t take long before they’d moved as far beyond firearms as the bombs over Baghdad.

“Some people come up and ask, ‘Will we ever get another Southernplayalisticaddillacmuzik album?’” Dre said. “And I’ll be like, ‘I’m sorry, I don’t think so’ because we were sixteen, seventeen years old. We were doin’ all the things knuckleheads do in high school — you know, smokin’, drinkin’, carryin’ guns and all that type of stuff. So all that was a reflection of what was goin’ on, and I can’t fake like I’m seventeen years old... I think the whole term ‘keep it real’ killed hip-hop, because what happened was a lot of people thought keepin’ it real meant keepin’ it real ignorant and slum.”

OutKast’s debut also introduced the supernatural stylings of another ATLien, with the first verse on the unforgettably inspiring “Git Up, Git Out.” Cee-Lo Green provided us with some thoughts on the gat-clapping content of modern rap. “A lot of the guys talkin’ tough, I think a lot of it comes from insecurity,” said the vocal half of Gnarls Barkley. “I think if anything, our music is a defence mechanism. It seems like we’re so passionate about being heartless — can you dig it? And how is that even possible?”

Although it would be tough to squeeze Cee-Lo into any mould, he says that setting himself apart is still a challenge in today’s environment. “I’m different because I dare to be,” he emphasized. “And I really think it’s necessary, and I really empathize with today’s music and with today’s generation. The thought is horrifying, what their music or their lives will be like fifteen years from now, when we had a 2 Live Crew and we had a Public Enemy, understandwhatI’msayin’? To have balance, and both of them were prominent. But with today’s music it’s all the same and there’s no alternative, and it frightens me a bit. I feel like if I condone it, man, I’m condoning a much harsher world for my son to go out into, where he has to go out there and fend for himself and survive. And so if I’m left with no choice, I have to teach him how to hold a gun as well.”

So how did hip-hop lost its balance? Because SoundScan — the music industry’s sales monitoring system — is the almighty redeemer. If gangsta rap is moving, gangsta rap is what gets manufactured. For GangStarr’s Guru — whose references to gunplay were influenced by artists such as Scarface, Rakim and Big Daddy Kane, emcees who used guns as a metaphor or included messages and morals — the streamlining of rap music merely reflects the influence of corporate imperatives on all media. “At this point, hip-hop is being run by people who aren’t from the culture,” Guru said. “It started as a culture and for fun and as an alternative to violence, because it started when the gangs were ending in New York. And now it’s billion-dollar business, and what sells? Sex, drugs, violence.”

Oak-Town’s Paris agrees; he sees the rise of violent rap as hip-hop having gone astray in the hands of a few multinational mass media corporations such as Viacom and Vivendi Universal — labelled the “musical industrial complex” by music journalist Peter Spellman. The homogenization of the “Black CNN” parallels the homogenization of news broadcasting by CBS, NBC and the other CNN.

“Realize that 99 percent of the artists that are out there that do hip-hop are not artists in the true sense of the word,” Paris said, “in that they’re not true to what they believe in, in this current environment. And I say that because if the labels — if the two or three labels that are left — issue a blanket statement saying that they would no longer support music that was detrimental to the community, the majority of the artists that are out there would switch up and they would adjust to a more positive stance in order to be palatable to labels that they feel are gonna pay ‘em.”

Wise Intelligent, leader of the Poor Righteous Teachers, gave us the essence of hip-hop music: “Rap is like water. If you put Kool-Aid in it, you get Kool-Aid; if you put tea in it, you get tea. One might be more healthy for you than the other one, but it doesn’t change the fact that it came from that water.” When most kids go for a drink, they’re gonna reach for something sweet, something that’ll give them a quick rush. Trigger-happy gangsta rap offers young peeps exactly that, and much like purveyors of junk food, music companies have proven willing to keep feedin’ ‘em and feedin’ ‘em.


Excerpted from Enter the Babylon System. Copyright © 2007 Rodrigo Bascuñán and Christian Pearce. Published by Random House Canada. Reproduced by arrangement with the publisher. All rights reserved.


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Packing Ambition

By James Keast

Unpacking gun culture from Samuel Colt to 50 Cent - through the lens of hip-hop music and culture - is seriously ambitious, but Pound magazine publisher Rodrigo Bascuñán and editor Christian Pearce were initially thinking even bigger. When the scope of Enter the Babylon System was narrowed down to firearms, the duo had little problem finding prominent rappers across the spectrum to speak up; getting the gun perspective was the challenge. “You have two sides that are so polarised, it’s hard to gauge when you’re getting good information,” Bascuñán says. “”Everyone has their agenda, and everyone is spinning - that’s the tough part, cracking through that and trying to stay impartial.”

Their balanced perspective brings a valuable voice of hard reality to this contentious debate, but will anyone hear them? “There are people who can’t look past guns and hip-hop - as soon as you put those two together, that’s just the end of the conversation,” Bascuñán says. “Unless Chris and I come out with ‘hip-hop is responsible for all the world’s problems, ever’ it’s not enough for them. They just hate the people it represents so much, they can’t have a rational dialogue about it.”

Bascuñán and Pearce, chuffed by their accomplishment, would love to revisit the idea of bigger picture concerns through a hip-hop lens: “the ones we felt that hip-hop had the most contribution to make were prisons, drug culture and poverty.”
 
The problem there, as I see it, at least at first blush is that rap offers the listener a false dichotomy:


*Guns are good because I'm a fearless gangster and they are the source of my power, respect and street credibility, behold my mighy criminal self

or

*Guns are bad because they cause suffering and dissension amongst the peoples.


Notably absent are any of the many positive and enobling elements of being a responsible, creative person who happens to be armed.
 
I am proud to say I have no idea who these people are. I listen to rock , country , and blues.

Rap / hip hop is ... not for me.
 
I'm calling shennanigans on this one. It's plausible enough if you know a ton about rap history and nothing about "gun culture", but that place is where the article was written and not this board.

Emcees are influenced by gun culture like most other males their age: they grow up reading the same comics, watching the same movies and playing the same videogames.

That's totally why I won't run a battlemech that's not a Warhammer or an Atlas, let Roddy Piper give me a pair of sunglasses, or ever agree to be Dirty Harry's next partner. It's also where I learned that if I ever need to hire a tracker to take me into the forbidden zone to retrieve a sex robot, I should absolutely not hire Melanie Griffith. And my PDW is the Pancor Jackhammer.

In 1991, on “Same Song,” a track created for Dan Aykroyd’s movie Nothin’ But Trouble, as the Digital Underground’s Shock G prepared to pass the mic to a then little-known rapper and D.U. dancer, he rapped “Just watch, ‘cause my name is Shock, I like to rock, and you can’t stop this / 2Pac go ‘head and rock this.” With the Digital Underground, Pac would clown around on the mic, keeping his lyrics lighthearted.

The "gun culture" in that one mainly involved John Candy in drag firing a Mini 14 at Chevy Chase, IIRC. It's a real giveaway to pull that stinker into any discussion of media influence and violence. Sometimes I still cry at night because I paid to see that movie, very softly so I won't wake my wife, and it's been almost sixteen years.
 
Call me old, but the only thing rap is missing, is the "c" at the beginning of the word. I see what the "thug life" and "gangsta" does to people, and it isn't pretty, not one bit. Our parents said the music we listend to was the devils tunes, but none of the music I listened to said "Time to bust some shots off/time to dust some cops off." Thank you, 2Pac Shakur, or whatvere your real name was.
They have us beat on the stupid names. Lord J and KRS-1? All I can throw at that is Meatloaf...
 
"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die."

"Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head"

"Hey Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Hey Joe, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Alright. I'm goin down to shoot my old lady,
you know I caught her messin' 'round with another man.
Yeah,! I'm goin' down to shoot my old lady,
you know I caught her messin' 'round with another man."
 
finest 'gun' song they left out - Volume 10's "Pistol Grip Pump," a beat five years ahead of its time.
 
When I started getting into blues, I was surprised at some of the unabashed violence in the lyrics. I'm not even kidding, some of it was more graphically violent than even the worst hip-hop/rap I've heard. I mean, it was the stuff that I wouldn't let kids listen to.

I'm talking about songs that waxed poetic about "caught my woman cheating, pulled a crowbar from my toolbox and beat her skull in. There was blood everywhere, so I went to the river and washed it off. Now I'm sittin' on the pier drunk, and I hear the sirens. Got a pistol in my hand, thinking about putting the pistol under my chin and pulling the trigger." :eek:

And this is the blues, like from the 50's.

Here are some positive rappers that aren't "thug", and spin a good beat:

Outkast
Nas
Tribe Called Quest
Mos Def
DJ Jazzy Jeff
Del Tha Funkee Homosapien
Jurassic 5
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
DJ Zeph
Deltron 3030
De La Soul
 
When I was younger I loved hip hop and listen to the good and the bad rap :confused: but the rappers of old rapped about parties and having fun more than the thug life. there are a couple of pro 2A rappers that give good music
andre3000 from outcast is pro 2A // anti gun groups hate him he also has ccw for georgia.

here are some of the qoutes about him :evil:
But anti-gun campaigners have reacted angrily to the comments, saying that a man in his position should not support carrying guns.

A spokesperson for Mothers Against Guns said: “Andre 3000 is idolised by large numbers of young children throughout the world.

“He is glorifying gun culture which has taken over the world and taken our children away from us.

“To say he is going to encourage his son to carry one around when he is older is despicable.”
 
Chuck, man, you failed me..... Wow, just wow. I'm slightly in shock over that.

Anyway, the rappers jlbraun mentioned are good, if you're interested, give them a listen. I like J5's older stuff, but their newest stuff just sucks, Dave Matthews, c'mon.....

While I do listen to "socially conscious hip-hop with a positive message" I also listen to gangster rap, too. I'll admit, some is cool, just all gangster rap all the time is bad. The guy in the article was right, a while ago, you could get gangster rap and not gangster rap, in the same quantities, and they'd both have the same airplay. Now, you can get basically underground rap that's not gangster rap, but it wont see airplay much if ever.

If you're looking for some good rap, try out wefunk. They play rap, and old funk and that type of music. http://www.wefunkradio.com/ . My favorite show is 411 http://www.wefunkradio.com/show/2006-02-17 At around 30 minutes, the funk music starts kicking in. The shows are also downloadable, and each 2 hour show is 55 minutes, so you could fit a lot on something.

But man, Chuck.... He's become what he's hated. It's a shame.
 
geekw/45- The problem there, as I see it, at least at first blush is that rap offers the listener a false dichotomy:


*Guns are good because I'm a fearless gangster and they are the source of my power, respect and street credibility, behold my mighy criminal self

or

*Guns are bad because they cause suffering and dissension amongst the peoples.


Notably absent are any of the many positive and enobling elements of being a responsible, creative person who happens to be armed.

+1

I think that some people in certain communities only see the violence brought by criminals, misguided youths, and other people of poor judgment who happen to use guns to make the most impact on the people around them. Many of which likely obtained the gun illegally. I'm sure if you only saw one side of it, it could shape your opinions.

Just like if you grow up in a peaceful house, a peaceful neighborhood, have a role model who uses firearms responsibly, you likely would find it hard to relate to anyone who wants to take that away from you.

When I hear things like this, and look at the hip-hop culture myself, I think of alcohol. If you grow up in an alcoholic household, possibly one accompanied by poor parenting or even abuse, you may grow up to view alcohol as an evil destructive device and avoid anyone who drinks a drop, or you may grow up confused and end up in the same trap you intended to avoid, becoming an alcoholic yourself.

So, it seems logical to me that if you grow up seeing a lot of gun violence, you could begin to think the guns are the evil devices, or get drawn into some element of the lifestyle that surrounds you that incorporates an irresponsible/illegal use of firearms. Or, you might see through all the BS, get some unbiased information from outside your bubble, and form your own educated opinion.

It never ceases to amaze me how my sister and I could grow up in the same house, and become so different holding completely different sets of values. I relate to many elements of hip-hop, and like many of them. I like the come up from nothin' and do your own thing, I like the idea that anyone can make it, it's capitalism in one of its purest forms. I like the beats, and the clever way *good* artists can tell a story and make it entertaining.

I relate to the pain that some experienced through various types of struggles artists talk about having with their family, or lack there of, or other negative circumstances, especially when they've been able to overcome them. And I can relate to some of the violence they talk about, although I don't always agree with the message, but I also think you have to put it in perspective, and if you have kids teach them to do so as well, and not be brainwashed by music or media. I think it's funny when some people will like Godfather or the Sopranos, but condemn hip-hop, for example.

Unfortunately, as with any media, certain people are going to be infuenced by what they hear and see. Just like the old saying you are what you eat, or you are who you associate with. Without moderation and perspective a lot of things could have a negative impact on you, especially as a youth. If all you hear is the violent message in rap, and also happen to live in an environment where you can see first hand some of the behavior being talked about, and you don't have anyone else in your life balancing out what that means, and offering alternative thoughts or additional perspective, certainly it can have a negative impact on you. But just like violence on tv, or in video games, parents bare the majority of the responsibility to limit exposure to the wrong messages and offer guidance through whatever the kids are exposed to.

I wish someone in the community could stand up for being against violence, while also promoting safe and legal gun ownership, but I think that A) Many in this community don't understand that, and B) Even if they did, they have a hard time making a connection to their target audience, like saying guns are ok for some people and not for others, it's easier for them to just say guns are bad, in case they can reach anyone who shouldn't have one, they don't care, or don't realize that they're subsequently hurting the image and the cause of those who wish to defend themselves legally.

I also believe that the left of center political ties most so called leaders in some of the communities that also are part of the hip-hop culture are spreading the wrong message to promote their own agenda, i.e., they want the people to rely on them for their very existance, they need the votes and donations to their campaigns, charities, causes, etc. to give them more power, and a louder voice. So when one buys into the entitlement mentality offered by some so called leaders, where they believe the government should take care of their ability to live, eat, receive medical treatment, etc., it's not a far reach to also rely on the government for your self protection, and the more helpless you become, the more you need the guy in the nice suit to tell you everything's going to be ok.

Karz
 
cool sites ..thanks:neener:
I would have never guessed chuck d to be a anti

I am friends with a couple of rappers who I will not disclose
but one has a degree in business and sell that thug image
he is the middle class kid that is faking his way to the bank:what: :what: mom and dad are both professionals :confused:
 
What a ridiculous article.

And call me cold-blooded, but I keep wishing all these self-proclaimed "OGs" kill each other off.
 
I can't believe they mentioned Tupac and negleted to mention his "gun as lover" metaphor in Me & My Girlfriend

I think, as others have pointed out that the fascination with guns is just a reflection of the culture. It isn't causal at all.

But man, Chuck.... He's become what he's hated. It's a shame.
It's hard to believe that such an ardent proponent of thinking for one's self has drank the kool-aid and is believing the hype.
 
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“The fact is, guns are our problem,”
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It's not the gun culture, it's the thug culture.

I grew up in a rural culture where guns are common and crime is rare.

These folks come from an urban culture where guns are generally illegal (few people own them other than criminals) and crime is rampant.

Same old truth nobody can seem to absorb: It's not the guns, it's the people.
 
It's not the gun culture, it's the thug culture.

I grew up in a rural culture where guns are common and crime is rare.

These folks come from an urban culture where guns are generally illegal (few people own them other than criminals) and crime is rampant.

Same old truth nobody can seem to absorb: It's not the guns, it's the people.
+1 BILLION

That needs to be repeated a billion times over whenever guns and urban violence is brought up. Urban pop culture fetishizes the gun (most have never seen one...honestly...save perhaps a cheap .380s or .32s, certainly not uzis). The knee jerk urbanites form their opinion on 'the gun' based solely on news reports of drivebys, gangbangers bragging about nonexistent arsenals, and anecdotal lives affected by violence. Again, more people know people that have been killed in car crashes than killed by gunfire. But gosh, guns are scary.
 
I don't listen to any of the guys in those articles but I do listen to some of the women that are considered hip hop such as Mary J Blige. And I am a big MJB fan. She's considered the queen of hip hop, but I just consider her R&B. Most of the lady performers of that genre never get mentioned in those types of articles.

Anyway, I am a huge fan of Dave Chappelle and the groups he had on his short lived Comedy Central show were usually pretty good.

Oh, I agree about it being thug culture too. I did read in a book about a guy who did rehabilitate from that culture after doing time for armed robbery that his gang would actually take their guns apart and spend hours cleaning them and practicing with them in alleys. That sounds extremely rare for gangs.
Chappelle I think would touch on that in his skits when he'd play gang characters and purposely show them handling guns in very foolish unsafe manners.
 
Maybe I'm just not old enough to remember pre-1994 gun hysteria banning, but does it seem that the late surge in gun violence and glorification in rap/hip-hop seems to give the springboard to the gun hysteria banning? As a kid I can't remember hearing such things about gun violence and banning before the late 80's and early 90's.
 
I had no idea hip hop had rejected firearms. I am just not keeping up with the times. Too bad that was the only thing I agreed with them on. Now it is a clean break.

From the oxymoron:
'Wise Intelligent, leader of the Poor Righteous Teachers, gave us the essence of hip-hop music: “Rap is like water. If you put Kool-Aid in it, you get Kool-Aid; if you put tea in it, you get tea. One might be more healthy for you than the other one, but it doesn’t change the fact that it came from that water.” When most kids go for a drink, they’re gonna reach for something sweet, something that’ll give them a quick rush. Trigger-happy gangsta rap offers young peeps exactly that, and much like purveyors of junk food, music companies have proven willing to keep feedin’ ‘em and feedin’ ‘em.'

I saw the Jim Jones Masacre in the made for TV movie. The one thing I took from that is Don't drink the Kool Aid....
 
I'm calling shenanigans as well. Blaming this at all for anything is as bad as parents blaming their kids bad behavior on video games. It's all bad parenting and that's what it comes down to. Ridalin? No thanks, I'll beat my kids if they need it. Think your grandparents were handed a bottle of drugs when they misbehaved or were they escorted out to the wood shed?

I'd expect these kinds of responses out of antis, not fact coveting, legally armed citizens. Am I the only one seeing what's wrong here?
 
Thug Culture and Prison Culture are not the same as the Gun Culture, but to the ignorant that view it from the narrow urban music perspective it sure can look that way. Pity.
 
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