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How is a supressor on an air rifle not a class 3 device

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Eric F, Aug 20, 2008.

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  1. Eric F

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    Because an air gun isn't a firearm.
     
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    Does that mean that if a person had one of those high-dollar .45 cal. hunting air rifles, you could buy a legal supressor for it?
     
  4. Eric F

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    So I can thread an air rifle barrel and get say a gem tech for it and not have to pay for the stamp?
     
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    I suspect they got the air rifle past the feds because the silencer is integral with the barrel. They would not be amused if you said you were buying a conventional can to put on a pellet gun.
     
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    They would be amused, however, if you cut that can off of the air rifle and put it on a .22.

    They'd laugh all the way to jail.
     
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    It comes on the rifle and can't be taken off.

    You can't buy one from Gem-Tech and get exempted from the $200 stamp since it's made for a firearm.

    Now, you could still put it on a .22 air gun if that made your day.

    As for putting one on a .45 air rifle you could do it (after you pay the $200 stamp since you're buying a firearm suppressor). However, couldn't hunt with it in most states and I'm honestly not sure it would work so well since they are designed to suppress a different type of blast from a different source, not sure about that.

    IIRC suppressors are class II, not III.

    These things aren't made to make sense, the ATF/Gov't wrote the rules:cuss:
     
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    The reason those are legal is that they never asked the BATFE and thus far there hasn't been a problem. Technically, since they can be removed (hacksaw) and "readily attached or adapted to" a firearm they ARE silencers under the 1934NFA.

    Clear as mud, yes?
     
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    I know this is incorrect as I have a friend that has a can welded on an ar still had to pay the $200 stamp.
    seems to be the right answer here from what I just saw on a diffrent forum.
     
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    but that is a Firearm, which an airgun is not. seems the same might apply to a BP gun?

    man these laws are stupid.
     
  11. Wes Janson

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    Those who know more than I do, feel free to correct me...

    "Class III" is a misnomer; they're all NFA items (or Title 2). "Class II" would be a Class II Special Occupation Taxpayer (SOT) FFL license (manufacturer of Title II firearms).

    I don't have a link, but I do strongly recall Small Arms Review printing a news blurb a couple years ago regarding an ATF ruling that an integral paintball silencer (ie permanently welded on) is not considered to be an NFA weapon.
     
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    The ATF ruled that airgun and paintball gun silencers are regulated. I'm guessing that the only reason this one slides by is that it is a permanent part of the barrel.
     
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    Suppressors/silencers are regulated when they reduce the noise level of a firearm.

    I guarantee you if you put this piece of crap from this Gamo air rifle I bought my kid on a real gun it would silence nothing.

    It's a joke......
     
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    TY Kingjoey. I've seen people show up at paintball feilds with homemade silencers before-one guy got really mad when the club president refused to allow him to use it on the field.
     
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    If it reduces the sound by 1 db for 1 shot, it's a silencer. If it was even intended to reduce the sound at all, it's a silencer. It doesn't matter if it holds up or not - a soda bottle packed with toilet paper is still a silencer, too. :)
     
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    It is this simple: The ATF has absolutely ZERO authority over air powered "guns" of any sort. Their definition of a firearm includes something about powder burning. A silencer on an air gun would be no different than a homemade silencer for your own farts....
     
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    UNLESS it can be adapted or modified to reduce the report of a firearm by even 1 db for even 1 shot.
     
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    a depressing link :uhoh:
     
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    Everyone saying that integral silencers are legal on airguns/paintball guns should REALLY read that link.
     
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    Lots of info in that link. Quick glance at it and saw that bit on integrated silencers on air guns.

    IMO how they got around this issue is this.

    Air guns are not regulated by the ATF, AND the silencer is NOT a separate part of the air gun. The silencer IS the barrel of the gun AND to prove that they even put the iron sight on it.

    Thus, there is no silencer on that gun; they just designed a barrel that makes for a quieter air gun.

    Also if someone was dumb enough to cut it off and some how attach it to a real firearm it would most likely be blown to pieces and not silence anything.

    A potato would work better. :neener:

    I also question where the author of that artical is coming from AND if he really has his facts straight. (I'm thinking he does not seeing that the Whisper is now for sale.)

    He seems the take the "Tuck your tail between your legs and run" point of view to all this, makes me wonder.
     
  21. Eric F

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    As noted above who is this guy and he never really sites any real laws. Bottom line gamo has had these things for some time my guess is also that BATF knows about them, I further guess they would have done something if it were not legal.
     
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    Since when do air rifles and paintball guns need to be silenced?
     
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    If you've ever heard a Gamo go off, you would understand. It's very loud
     
  24. Phil DeGraves

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    Thanks!
     
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    Does that mean if you built a blackpowder weapon with a suppressor it would be kosher as well?

    ( of course, after two firings you would have to clean that sucker out good)
     
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