How low is your cheek weld?

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daniel craig

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I tend to find that scopes mounted at heights that work of a lot of people tend to be too high for me because my cheek weld allows me to get very low on the gun. It never occurred to me that maybe I’m “doing it wrong” because I’ve always shot well with it. My cheek weld is basically just under my cheek bone but I’ve seen some people basically have a cheek weld at the jawline.

What do you do?
 
I like HK91s, Cetmes and A2 ARs, so I’ve grown accustomed to a jaw/chin weld, and I do okay with it.

but your style sounds better. More stable and repeatable, and the optic is closer to the barrel.
Works well for you? Don’t change it!
 
I have a pretty awful time with any gun (except lever guns as it turns out and a few other exceptions) with factory open sights.

10/22s are absolutely the worst. I need sights that are a full inch tall to use open sights on 10/22s. Many factory target rifles with globe sights are a no go. Often I will have to mount a scope with at least medium height rings. I can barely use AR 15 irons.

I think it is because I have a wide face and a big head. I have bad eyes but a big reason I use optics on all long guns is so I have a raised sighting system.
 
People use a cheekweld at the jawline because the rifle doesn't fit. You can be pretty sure if the rifle doesn't have a raised comb, it won't fit when using a modern (large diameter) telescopic optic. They didn't fit decades ago when the scopes were smaller. Since then optics have grown. It used to be 25mm tubes and 50mm objectives were large. Then we went to 30mm tubes and 56mm objectives at the top-end, and now we see 36mm tubes and 60mm objectives, and the eyepieces have grown to double the diameter they were in the past. If that wasn't enough, we've also got all the AR's with tall rails.

One reason people might not mind the high scopes is because we've also seen drop at the heel in the stock disappear. I'm not sure exactly when it disappeared, but pretty much all the rifles before 1950 had it. Nowadays, we only see it in lever-action guns and it is universally absent in every other rifle. With a low optic on a straight-stock, a person could only mount the toe of the buttplate on their shoulder when they're standing. Do people still fire rifles standing?

I believe the drop at the heel disappeared and the straight-stock became prevalent with the widespread adoption of telescopic sights. The straight stock lowers the receiver and brings the axis of the scope into alignment with the eye, but it means there will be no cheekweld without a riser, only a jaw weld.

People disliked the Monte Carlo stocks that Weatherby promoted for use with scopes. They looked "funny." Consumers seem to prefer the straight stocks with no riser at the comb, but no drop at the heel. Apparently, that looks less odd to consumers and they accept it perhaps because it looks less different than traditional rifles. Of course, it works completely different than traditional (pre-optic) rifles. The modern straight stocks work better in prone positions or stretched out on a bench because there is less difference in height between the shoulder and the eye in those positions.
 
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I have a pretty awful time with any gun (except lever guns as it turns out and a few other exceptions) with factory open sights.

10/22s are absolutely the worst. I need sights that are a full inch tall to use open sights on 10/22s. Many factory target rifles with globe sights are a no go. Often I will have to mount a scope with at least medium height rings. I can barely use AR 15 irons.

I think it is because I have a wide face and a big head. I have bad eyes but a big reason I use optics on all long guns is so I have a raised sighting system.

Yes, because the lever guns have a drop at the heel. Another way of thinking about drop at heel is the gun stock cranks the whole receiver and barrel up above your shoulder. Some people don't like the angular momentum this adds to recoil, but shotgun shooters deal with it all the time. With (traditional) shotguns, the top of the barrel must come up under the eye even in the standing position. Since these shotguns rarely have optics, they will almost always have drop at the heel to bring the sight plane up. Rifle makers seem to have done away with this in the last 50 years or so (except on lever guns) as high-mounted optics have become much more popular than irons.

The casualty of this change has been to cheekweld because the whole gun other than the optic is now down around shoulder level instead of in front of the face.
 
Rem 760 w standard stock is usable w low rings. Yet I see many w see through rings.
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Even w high rings and an adj cheek riser, I dislike my hand position being too low.

But then, i shoot stuff under 400 yards.
 
I dont cram my cheek down like some but I want it on the comb. Depending on base thickness and scope, ill run zee rings in med or low. The posiline zee meds are a little taller than reg med, and dont come in low.
 
below cheek bone for me also. Low rings with a high comb can put a scope too low for me to see thru comfortably, but for the most part I prefer lows and mediums.
50mm is the largest objective i have and usually get them on with low/medium rings. I think because it's now normal for pic rails to be taller than the old Weaver, or other, mounting systems.
Still I'd rather have my head float, than have to turn it sideways to see thru the scope, which happens on ARs from time to time.
 
Rem shotgun w cantilever slug bbl....high comb stock......my eye looks right at the back of the rail.

Ridiculously high those things.
 
Below cheekbone is the way I was shown & trained, and what I still use.

European rifle manufacturers, at least some such as CZ & Zastava, continue to offer bolt action rifles with stocks that incorporate significant drop at the heel, chambered for cartridges from the .22-250 to the .375 H&H Magnum and .458 Winchester Magnum. Those who prefer that style inform me it's for quick sight acquisition especially when hunting potentially dangerous game is planned.

I've seen that stock style referred to as Bavarian Style, pig's back, and hogs back and probably other terms that don't immediately come to mind. This example I sold unfired is chambered for 9.3X62mm. I found a preowned one with the Zastava Monte Carlo style stock complete with Leupold 1.5-5X20mm scope mounted for $250 less and kept that version instead for my tastes. The purchaser of this pig back stocked rifle was extremely happy with his purchase.

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To each their own.
 
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Yes, because the lever guns have a drop at the heel. Another way of thinking about drop at heel is the gun stock cranks the whole receiver and barrel up above your shoulder. Some people don't like the angular momentum this adds to recoil, but shotgun shooters deal with it all the time. With (traditional) shotguns, the top of the barrel must come up under the eye even in the standing position. Since these shotguns rarely have optics, they will almost always have drop at the heel to bring the sight plane up. Rifle makers seem to have done away with this in the last 50 years or so (except on lever guns) as high-mounted optics have become much more popular than irons.

The casualty of this change has been to cheekweld because the whole gun other than the optic is now down around shoulder level instead of in front of the face.

I also have this problem with a lot of shotguns. Brownings are better but could usually stand a little fitting. Berettas are unusable.
 
I'm blessed to have a big Norwegian square head and very high Nordic cheek bones. I'm right at home with a "too high" mounted scope or tall irons. Even a Mosin Nagant PU sniper setup is not too far out of my wheelhouse for cheek weld (although I do add a field expedient wool wrap around the stock grudgingly accepted by the CMP as I found a vintage picture of a rifle so equipped). I really have to work to get behind most iron sights.
 
Jawbone weld is a lazy accommodation for a poorly fit stock.

I use and have used a variety of options to correct my cheek weld:

• Victor Company Universal bolt on cheek riser

• Kydex saddle type (think M40a3)

• Integral adjustable comb rifle stock - Boyd’s, McMillan, Manners

• Modular stocks with replaceable combs - Benelli comfortech, Ruger American

• Chassis with AR type stock: Magpul PRS, XLR, Luth-AR MBA

• Bradley strap on (don’t like these at all for the money)

• Foam Rubber shims under a stock pack - I use Hornady branded stock packs with shims cut from high impact foam exercise equipment flooring pads

• Formed foam rubber under a cheap elastic Allen Stock Wrap

Personally, when integral adjustable risers are not an option, I prefer the Victor Company risers because they are inexpensive but rock solid and have a clean, factory-esque aesthetic. But I do use the incredibly inexpensive stock wraps with foam shim risers on several rifles and shotguns.
 
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Something that I have found to come in very handy for this; split foam pipe insulation tubes ... they look like those pool toys for children (pool noodles?).

I have several different sizes and have cut a number of ~6" pieces for quick comb-height adjustments.

They work well as a quick-fix, especially when used with AR extending stocks ... but others, as well. ;)
 
For practical precision rifle shooting two things have driven changes to traditional methods

1 having your head vertical (not tilted toward the strong side) has become more important for peripheral vision and awareness than the traditional benefits of a hard holding cheek weld

2 the move to free recoil in positional means people put the lightest pressure possible or don’t even touch the stock at all with their head.


the net of that is that jaw weld is growing in popularity relative to cheek weld.

If your stock permits lateral movement you can adjust it so you can keep your head straight AND use a hard cheek weld, but you will be screwed if you have to shoot weak side
 
What do you do?

Whatever works best for the given rifle/situation. The smallest groups I have ever shot, were shot with the only part of my body contacting the rifle was a finger contacting the face of the 2oz trigger.
 
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