How many anti-gun hypocrites have you personally come in contact with?

[The Real Hawkeye]

My bother in law is as left wing as they come, and favors outlawing guns for all but police and military, and votes that way always. He keeps a shotgun and a rifle in the house, though, just in case.

A married couple, who were good friends with my folks when I was a kid, used to talk in favor of outlawing gun ownership for regular folks all the time. They voted that way too, always. One day, many years later, Mr. Goldberg came to ask me to evaluate for him the value of his handgun collection that he'd been storing in the walls of his house for over 30 years. He had all kinds of old classics from Colt and Smith & Wesson, as well as a couple of Beretta auto pistols. I was forced to inform him that his collection was worthless as an investment, but not because they lacked intrinsic value, only because in New York State every one of his guns was considered contraband under the law, not possessing a legal paper trail, and would be confiscated on sight if it ever came to the surface that he owned them, and he might even serve some time in jail. Further, I regretfully informed him, there was no way to make them legal which wouldn't itself be a violation of New York State gun law. He said he'd just put them back in their hiding place then. Naturally, he and his wife continued to vote for the enemies of gun rights in New York State.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

How many anti-gun hypocrites have

Is there really any other kind?

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Is there really any other kind?

I meant it with respect to their actually wanting to be able to own guns for themselves, just not for others, such as my examples. This could also be termed elitism, I guess.

 

[CAnnoneer]

Does this survey include hypocrites that are against guns for the general public but support ownership for non-LEO non-military "special people" even if they themselves are not such people?

If yes, then they are almost every anti-gun person I have ever met. They do recognize that guns have high self-defense value and thus approve them in the hands of patricians they like, e.g. Feinstein, but then spit nonsense like "guns are only good for killing, so unless you want to kill, you don't need it" when faced with gunownership for people they dislike, e.g. the average plebeian gunowner. Hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty, or lunacy?

 

[1 old 0311]

I had a boss once that Sara Brady would admire. I tried facts, and reasoning, but as with most liberal anti gun nuts, he didn't want to hear it. I finally just shut up and let him get his digs in. He finally got fired, and I got his job.

Kevin

 

[Zen21Tao]

My sister is an extreme lefty that thinks the government has an obligation to take care of its citizens. Its kind of funny coming from a 30 year old woman with 5 kids living off welfare that got her GED almost 10 years after dropping out of highschool. My sister takes absolutely zero responsability for the choices she makes (and has made in the past) claiming that socitety is responsible for people like her not having what they want.

As a part of these believes is the blind acceptance of the liberal view that society would be a safer and better place without guns. My sister thinks that ALL guns should be banned and destroyed. However, she has had (and may still have) alteast two guns in the past a cheap revover and a Lorcin 9mm. When asked why she had guns when she thought they should be banned she replied that she needed them to defend herself and her kids. I pressed asking her why others shouldn't have the same right. Her response was that she lived in a dangerous neighborhood and most of the pro-gun people live in safe suberbs. Then I aske her, "well if all guns but yours were destroyed would you give yours up"? Her reply was NO, because "their are still other weapons out there that a man stronger than (her) could use. A gun is the only way (she) would have a fair chance at defending (herself) in many situations." :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[kjeff50cal]

Zen21Tao, I see your sister has her own style of circular thinking.

 

[308win]

And she has five kids. There is hope for the Republic yet. /sarcasm off

 

[CAnnoneer]

Entitlement is hardly a surprise when "scumbag nut gunowners" like ourselves pay her 300 dollars per kid per month through our taxes...

 

[Zedicus]

Zen21Tao, ever Read Atlas Shrugged?

Sounds like your sister fits the "Looter" class of people described in that book to a T.

& Hawkeye does this Include the (they can ban any gun they want as long as it's not the kind I like) turncoats?

 

[hillbilly]

I know a few folks who want all guns banned....except, of course, of those they own themselves.

I know a couple who have both worked for the Federal Government in various capacities.

The husband has said that he wouldn't see anything wrong with the government coming and confiscating all privately owned firearms.

Except, of course, for the stash of "hunting rifles" he personally owns.

There's plenty of folks like that out there.

hillbilly

 

[AndyC]

Might be an idea to compile a list of anti-gun politicians who themselves have concealed weapons - now that's the kind of hypocrisy that really grates my carrot.

1. Dianne Feinstein. "Feinstein is a strong proponent of gun control, yet is known to have carried concealed handguns herself with a normally nearly impossible to obtain California carry permit - few people, other than politicians and celebrities, are able to obtain California CCW permits. At one time, she was the only person in San Francisco to possess a concealed carry permit." - Source

Edit: As for my experince with a hypocrite, I have only 1 that comes to mind. I once lived with a few students in a commune in Cape Town. Needless to say, one of the girls was extremely anti-gun but when her car was being broken into she dashed into my room for help.

We scared the guy away with all the noise going on and when we got outside we could see him running away out the gate and down the open road in plain sight. She kept screaming hysterically at me to "Shoot him!" Shoot him!" and was real pissed-off at me when I told her that I couldn't shoot someone for stealing a car-radio. Bloody-thirsty students *tsk*

 

[XLMiguel]

I have a couple of neighbors who have posed the "What do you need a gun for?" crappola to me, but then ask to borrow a gun when we had a burglary in teh 'hood. I offered to take them shooting and/or hook them up with training, got no where . . . :banghead:

My sister & her husband think there are "too many guns around", want more gun control. OTOH, their son, my nephew, is an avid hunter and getting into handguns. Since he's over 21, I'm going to gift him one of my pistols when he graduates college next year.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Since he's over 21, I'm going to gift him one of my pistols when he graduates college next year.

Be careful he doesn't sell it to buy a motorcycle. That's what my nephew is doing with the rifle I sold him at a super bargain, nephews only, price. Had I known he was going to do that in less than three months, I would have sold it on Guns American for market value.

 

[mountainclmbr]

I worked with an engineer last year that said that the tsunami in Indonesia, Thailand, etc was due to global warming and a "loostening of the plates" from all the warming. She stated that her mother was a science teacher in public schools and, therefore, us engineers were stupid. She was also anti-gun if this helps prevent this thread from bring locked by Soros wannabes.

 

[ksnecktieman]

We do not need to go that far to find second amendment hypocrites.Most of the posters here are in favor of gun control. If you do not think so, answer these questions.

Should felons be allowed firearms?
Should child molesters be allowed firearms?
Should firearms be allowed in courtrooms?
Should firearms be allowed in schools?
Should ANYONE be able to purchase fully auto weapons?
Should alcoholics be allowed firearms?
Should we all have to take a hunter safety course?
Should there be a minimum age on firearm purchases?
Should there even BE a serial number on firearms? WHY?
Should we need a CCW permit to carry?
Should open carry be allowed everywhere?

I consider myself a "radical second ammendment hawk"... And even I have to answer two of those wrong.

 

[mountainclmbr]

Most I have met also thought that Castro and Mao were really cool.

 

[mbs357]

ksnecktieman, I'd like to know the answer to those questions, if you don't mind...
=)

 

[Walter]

ksnecktieman

Which two do you disagree with? I think I may disagree with three
of the proposals you put forth.
I take that back. I disagree with TWO points you made.

1. There should be serial numbers on firearms, for later reference
toward possible "problems" with manufacturing defects, ie, "recalls".

2. There should be a minimum age limit on firearms purchases. I don't
want some P.O.ed 13 year-old kid going down and buying a 1911-A1
just to take it home and blow his mother away because she wouldn't let
him go to the movies that day. And yes, I do believe 13 year-old kids
think like that these days. And maybe they always have. But they don't
have free access to firearms, and I'd kind of like to keep it that way.

Walter

 

[ksnecktieman]

The two I have to answer wrong are hunter safety, and age limits. We no longer have big brother or grandpa mentors to teach us safe hunting, as I did when I was young. I think there should be an age limit on purchases of firearms,,,,, I would put it at fifteen years old, and with parents permission it is eliminated.

 

[ibex]

On topic:

I have met only one hypocrite. He wanted to buy (import) a non-functional AK-47 and a separately purchased functional (or easily "repaired") receiver. The plan failed when his contact in the U.S. declared the contents of the package as "gun parts", which UPS refused to ship overseas. I think he gave up after that.

I have to wonder what he was planning to do with it anyway. His wife even made him give his Walther P-38 airsoft pistol away when they had their first child. It's collecting dust somewhere in my apartment now.

The rest of the people around here are such rabid, foam-at-the-mouth antis that they aren't even hypocrites. They gladly deny themselves effective self-defense. :banghead:

I honestly don't know what's worse, a hypocritical anti or a consequent anti.

Off topic:

I disagree with the following:

1. We should not have to take a hunter safety course. I strongly recommend safety courses, though.
2. Serial numbers might be useful for insurance claims and similar purposes. They are not a step towards confiscation if there is no database linking owners to guns.

I do not consider myself to be in disagreement on the age issue. Parents should be the final arbiter on whether their children are financially and morally responsible enough to make any kind of purchase, including but not limited to firearms.

Edit:

She kept screaming hysterically at me to "Shoot him!" Shoot him!" and was real pissed-off at me when I told her that I couldn't shoot someone for stealing a car-radio.

<sarcasm> Yeah, we should really make sure to keep guns out of the hands of those blood-thirsty, violence-prone gun owners. </sarcasm>
Projection, anyone?

 

[Zen21Tao]

Zen21Tao, ever Read Atlas Shrugged?

Sounds like your sister fits the "Looter" class of people described in that book to a T.

& Hawkeye does this Include the (they can ban any gun they want as long as it's not the kind I like) turncoats?

I would love to read it but I really don’t have the time or the patience. I don’t know what Rand meant by “Looter” class but if it means “wants someone else to provide for them” or “want to be provided for by taking from others” then yes that is her in a nut shell.

Here is one example of her exploits. She and her husband were living temporarily with my parents while looking for their own place. They found somewhere and were in the process of moving their stuff out. A few days before they could complete the move my parents’ house caught fire due to wiring in the attic. By this time most of my sister and her husband’s stuff were moved into storage elsewhere and they were ready to move in their new place but that didn’t stop them from going to the Red Cross for disaster relief in the form of a hotel stay, groceries, and pocket money. They also contacted the local newspaper to do a story on them hoping for readers would feel bad for them and send them money. You should see how they prepped their kids (3 at the time) to look sad and worried for the reporter and cameraman. Ultimately my parents’ used a chuck of their insurance money to buy them a trailer to live in even though they had lost practically nothing in the fire and were in the process of moving out. Can’t beat it, they got a free home out of my parents hardship.

[Sorry to hijack this thread but this (my sister) is the type of person I associate with anti-gun hypocrites.]

 

[Matthew748]

He is not anti-gun, but my brother (an Illinois resident) has some inconsistencies regarding guns that he must work through. For example, he claims to be very pro-second amendment, pro-self defense, but he finds the idea of non-LEO concealed carry scary. He nearly had a coronary when I told him how painless it is for an Indiana resident with a clean record to get a CCW permit. He also believes in "reasonable" gun control (a stance which contradicts his claimed pro-second amendment stance) and registration. Despite this, he voiced outrage when I told him that I could not sell him one of my handguns even if I wanted to due to federal laws regarding interstate handguns sales among non-FFLs.

I am working on him though, so have no fear.

 

[boofus]

Should felons be allowed firearms?
Should child molesters be allowed firearms?

The Constitution provides legal mechanisms to revoke a person's right to life, liberty and property through due process. If the courts can execute a serial killer then through due process why can they not remove a felon's right to vote or own a firearm?

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

We do not need to go that far to find second amendment hypocrites. Most of the posters here are in favor of gun control. If you do not think so, answer these questions.

Should felons be allowed firearms?
Should child molesters be allowed firearms?
Should firearms be allowed in courtrooms?
Should firearms be allowed in schools?
Should ANYONE be able to purchase fully auto weapons?
Should alcoholics be allowed firearms?
Should we all have to take a hunter safety course?
Should there be a minimum age on firearm purchases?
Should there even BE a serial number on firearms? WHY?
Should we need a CCW permit to carry?
Should open carry be allowed everywhere?

I consider myself a "radical second amendment hawk"... And even I have to answer two of those wrong.

Should felons be allowed firearms? Only when they are no longer in custody, i.e., once at liberty, at liberty. If you feel that someone cannot be trusted with a firearm, what you are really saying is that they cannot be trusted at liberty. If they cannot be trusted to be at liberty, they belong in jail.

Should child molesters be allowed firearms? Child molestation is a felony. They belong in jail, i.e., not at liberty. If society judges that at some point a former child molester deserves his liberty, i.e., he is no longer a threat to children, and has paid his debt to society, then he is once again at liberty, which necessarily included the liberty to carry arms for self defense. Personally, I think a convicted child molester should lose his liberty permanently, if not his life too, but I am only a component part of society as a whole.

Should firearms be allowed in courtrooms? They are already allowed in courtrooms. In fact I have never been in a courtroom where I didn't see people carrying firearms.

Should firearms be allowed in schools? I work in the public school system, and know for a fact that firearms are allowed there. Not only allowed, but welcomed. Not a day goes by when I don't see someone carrying a firearm openly inside the school.

Should ANYONE be able to purchase fully auto weapons? Again, if you are at liberty, you are at liberty, and may do anything a person at liberty may do. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Should alcoholics be allowed firearms? Yes, unless society deems that they cannot be trusted to be at liberty, in which case they need to be in jail. That's a decision society needs to make. Generally speaking, society waits till a crime has been committed before removing someone's liberty.

Should we all have to take a hunter safety course? You know what, I got my license before they were required, and I was grandfathered in. I took the course just for the heck of it, though, and learned a couple of things, but not one thing about being safe that I didn't already know from just being a guy interested in guns and hunting. If you are a reasonable person, you will be safe. If not, you will not be safe even after a hunter safety course.

Should there be a minimum age on firearm purchases? No, but parental permission should be required, because minors do not traditionally enjoy, nor do they have a right to, actual liberty, and for good reason. That's why when a minor gets a piece of paper from the courts saying that he is no longer under the control of his parents, we say he has applied for and received emancipation.

Should there even BE a serial number on firearms? WHY? No, unless it is in accordance with a State law, and removing it would not be a crime. The government of the several States (i.e., the federal government of the United States) is not only not authorized to regulate firearms manufacturers, but they are prohibited to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Serial numbers are a step in the direction of registration. In fact it is the only thing that makes registration possible. Registration is an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms, not to mention the right of private property. Would it be ok if every book had to have a serial number, and it would be a crime for you to remove it?

Should we need a CCW permit to carry? Why should you need a permission slip from the government to do what it is every free man's right to do to begin with? Rights are not granted by government permission, are they?

Should open carry be allowed everywhere? What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?