Deltaboy1984
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I am going to make some ajustment to mine soon.
How Many are Now Carrying a Cane?
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Flintknapper,
The angle on that cut bites as it hooks so even if the neck is large it gouges a chunk if you yank too hard (and causes enormous pain if you don't). It isn't a good "instructor's" cane, but that's what my Canmaster is for. I am tempted to put it on the chop saw and open it up just a smidge, though.
The angle on that cut bites as it hooks so even if the neck is large it gouges a chunk if you yank too hard (and causes enormous pain if you don't). It isn't a good "instructor's" cane, but that's what my Canmaster is for. I am tempted to put it on the chop saw and open it up just a smidge, though.
Deltaboy1984
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If I am grapping some one in a personal defense case I want it to HURT!
Flintknapper
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Deltaboy wrote:
Agreed, but applying pain with a cane is not difficult anyway (if you know what you are doing), but I have seen some defensive canes (especially by canemasters) that you would NOT be allowed to carry some places.
A personal defense cane needs to be functional, but it doesn't need to look like a fish hook or Medieval tool for disemboweling someone.
A normal cane of good construction (with perhaps a FEW enhancements) will do everything you need it to.
Agreed, but applying pain with a cane is not difficult anyway (if you know what you are doing), but I have seen some defensive canes (especially by canemasters) that you would NOT be allowed to carry some places.
A personal defense cane needs to be functional, but it doesn't need to look like a fish hook or Medieval tool for disemboweling someone.
A normal cane of good construction (with perhaps a FEW enhancements) will do everything you need it to.
Deltaboy1984
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I agree! Only my Hammerhead has gotten me any real notice.
Deltaboy1984
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I am loving my hammer head so far.
craftsman
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Do it for stylin' !
I picked up a Harvy brand, made of fiber-carbon, weighs 8.8 oz., 37 in. long, with a derbi grip. Looks black from most angles, but snakeskin pattern appears in certain lighting conditions (triple-wound for strength). Supports up to 250# - and it can be used as a weapon if needed.
http://www.harvycanes.com/ecom/shop/item.asp?itemid=952&catid=164
I picked up a Harvy brand, made of fiber-carbon, weighs 8.8 oz., 37 in. long, with a derbi grip. Looks black from most angles, but snakeskin pattern appears in certain lighting conditions (triple-wound for strength). Supports up to 250# - and it can be used as a weapon if needed.
http://www.harvycanes.com/ecom/shop/item.asp?itemid=952&catid=164
Deltaboy1984
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Carbon Fiber in my book for the hip guys I,m just a Ole School guy !
AStone
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Hickory or harder.
It might be "stylin", but it is too light for all the defensive options of a cane. Listen to Nem and the others that have spent a little time playing with a cane.
Why not take a little time whacking that new toy on a heavy bag like it is some BG and let us know if it explodes or not?
Deltaboy1984
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Now the weather warmed up in Texas my ankle plus my gym workouts has been behaving!
Man's most basic tool & weapon: A good stick
My current favorite is a mulberry-root cane with leather grip wrap that I made myself; close second is a light blackthorn cane with a palm-swell grip that allows more load for longer time without my wrist or hand hurting. I also have a couple of semi-custom buffalo-head canes (one eagle head, one hound-dog) and maybe a half-dozen others. For some reason I can't keep from buying the next great idea in canes I see. In fact I've been thinking about the Cold Steel carbon-fiber City Stick with the metal golf-ball head...
DRiderX, cane-fu aficionado :-D
I do now have injuries and infirmities that require my use of a cane, but I carried a cane everywhere even before that. One I figured out how useful they are for a million different things it was difficult to go without it. Self defense, and its concomitant deterrent effect, is just one use; another is the "automatic upgrade" effect at airline gates -- use of a cane automatically gets me priority pre-boarding status (which, as I mentioned, these days I do need, but the cane obviates having to produce any other proof).I'm far from a rocking chair, but I'm starting to
carry a cane out in public.
It's legal everywhere
You know, years ago, it
was one item a young man would always have at his side.
self defense was one of the reasons
My current favorite is a mulberry-root cane with leather grip wrap that I made myself; close second is a light blackthorn cane with a palm-swell grip that allows more load for longer time without my wrist or hand hurting. I also have a couple of semi-custom buffalo-head canes (one eagle head, one hound-dog) and maybe a half-dozen others. For some reason I can't keep from buying the next great idea in canes I see. In fact I've been thinking about the Cold Steel carbon-fiber City Stick with the metal golf-ball head...
DRiderX, cane-fu aficionado :-D
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MashieNiblick
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i've got a retractable, telescoping 16" baton at my side at all times when out with dog or by self for a long walk- solely for doggies, though.
i bypass bringing a baton to the potential knife fight.
That's what my Ruger .38 spec is for. . . .
i've got a nice heavy branch stashed by some railroad tracks in town, though.
next time when in an auto, and if convenient, 'll see if it's still there. if so, will take it, and a begin widdling with my kanetsue to see if i can make something nice similar to what ya'll are talking about.
then there's the sabbath or sunday stick that i've been looking for. baddog69 had a good one for sale on ebay somewhere in Europe, probably Scotland. hard to find nice ones, and typically expensive. look them up. . . .
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i bypass bringing a baton to the potential knife fight.
That's what my Ruger .38 spec is for. . . .
i've got a nice heavy branch stashed by some railroad tracks in town, though.
next time when in an auto, and if convenient, 'll see if it's still there. if so, will take it, and a begin widdling with my kanetsue to see if i can make something nice similar to what ya'll are talking about.
then there's the sabbath or sunday stick that i've been looking for. baddog69 had a good one for sale on ebay somewhere in Europe, probably Scotland. hard to find nice ones, and typically expensive. look them up. . . .
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Deltaboy1984
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I still keep a cane in all my rides just in case the ankle goes out!
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So maybe you hurt your back working out. A disability does not have to be perminant. I pulled something in my back lifting weights once when I was about 20 years old and could not even tie my shoes for a few days. It happens. If I had to fly on a commercial air line I might develop some sort of temporary "injury" in order to carry my stick.
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[I can't pull it off. Everything works too well on me still, and I'm in pretty obvious good condition from working out and Yoga.]
Please, don't have this attitude. It's giving in to the polictical correctness, and besides, you're not doing anything that you have to 'pull off'. There's no law in the land against carrying a cane. None. It may be excentric at worst, and none of anyones business at best. And who's to say who may have an injury or disability unless they are a doctor with x-rays and MRI scans at the ready.
Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, 'they' are not allowed to ask or pry into your medical background. Period. Nada. You do not have to pull off anything. In fact, if someone does indeed inquire as to why you have a cane, you can tell them 'because I can."
When I was discharged from the army after 10 years of service, because of injuries received on active duty, I was just past my 30th birthday. The Doc's at Walter Reed did a really good job on me, and when they got done with my rehab, I hardly had a limp. On a good day, with a little white pill, I didn't even limp sometimes. Add to that, because of vanity I wouldn't carry an old fogy cane, I was toting a knarly Irish Blackthorn stick given to me by an uncle. So it was inevitable that once in a while some nosy person would ask why I was carrying a cane, or ask "what's with the stick?" I had different answers for different people. If it was a complete stranger, I'd politely but bluntly tell them it was none of their business. Or if I was in a better mood, I'd tell them "because I can." and leave it at that. If it was somebody who knew me from a long way back, I'd tell them its an old service injury and leave it at that. Most people really don't pry. But most of all, you don't have to explain why. Just start carrying it and people will soon accept it as part of your persona.
Carl.
[I can't pull it off. Everything works too well on me still, and I'm in pretty obvious good condition from working out and Yoga.]
Please, don't have this attitude. It's giving in to the polictical correctness, and besides, you're not doing anything that you have to 'pull off'. There's no law in the land against carrying a cane. None. It may be excentric at worst, and none of anyones business at best. And who's to say who may have an injury or disability unless they are a doctor with x-rays and MRI scans at the ready.
Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, 'they' are not allowed to ask or pry into your medical background. Period. Nada. You do not have to pull off anything. In fact, if someone does indeed inquire as to why you have a cane, you can tell them 'because I can."
When I was discharged from the army after 10 years of service, because of injuries received on active duty, I was just past my 30th birthday. The Doc's at Walter Reed did a really good job on me, and when they got done with my rehab, I hardly had a limp. On a good day, with a little white pill, I didn't even limp sometimes. Add to that, because of vanity I wouldn't carry an old fogy cane, I was toting a knarly Irish Blackthorn stick given to me by an uncle. So it was inevitable that once in a while some nosy person would ask why I was carrying a cane, or ask "what's with the stick?" I had different answers for different people. If it was a complete stranger, I'd politely but bluntly tell them it was none of their business. Or if I was in a better mood, I'd tell them "because I can." and leave it at that. If it was somebody who knew me from a long way back, I'd tell them its an old service injury and leave it at that. Most people really don't pry. But most of all, you don't have to explain why. Just start carrying it and people will soon accept it as part of your persona.
Carl.
Deltaboy1984
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Great Post Carl. The ADA slams the door shut on TSA or any Police asking about it.
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I think practically everyone in law enforcement has had a to take a course on the ADA. The departments are all trying to avoid law suits. The cool thing is that a 3' stick is generally a far superior weapon to any concealable knife because of the reach.
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If it was just about the A.D.A. I wouldn't get as uptight as I do. It's more about the fact that there's no law about a cane/walking stick, and it used to be a fashion to carry a walking stick, but modern society has made us feel that we're doing something wrong, and we have to fake a limp or something to "pull it off" as I've heard it called. Why do we have to justify something that is so totally legal?
It's like having to justify the carry of a two AA mini Maglite that doubles as a kuboton. I carry one in a nylon sheath right on my right hip, where I can grab it in a second. My only comment to people who ask is, "It's gotten dark every night I've been alive." Mostly they leave it at that. Family and friends don't ask, because I'm the one that has a flashlight when they can't find something dropped on the floor of the theater, or like situation. But when we are made to feel like we have to justify something that we are doing, that there is no law against, and is not harming or causing an inconveinience to anyone, something is wrong.
Last I heard, America was still a semi-free country, and we should not have to justify a cane by walking with a limp we don't have. We don't try to justify a can of pepper spray. It's pretty above board that it's a self defense item. In 38 out of the 50 states it's legal to carry a firearm to defend oneself. So why can't we just say to someone who asks about our cane that "Hey, it's mean streets out there, and I may have to defend myself from some low life."
Yes, the A.D.A. gives us a fall back, but in a free society it shouldn't be needed.
Carl.
It's like having to justify the carry of a two AA mini Maglite that doubles as a kuboton. I carry one in a nylon sheath right on my right hip, where I can grab it in a second. My only comment to people who ask is, "It's gotten dark every night I've been alive." Mostly they leave it at that. Family and friends don't ask, because I'm the one that has a flashlight when they can't find something dropped on the floor of the theater, or like situation. But when we are made to feel like we have to justify something that we are doing, that there is no law against, and is not harming or causing an inconveinience to anyone, something is wrong.
Last I heard, America was still a semi-free country, and we should not have to justify a cane by walking with a limp we don't have. We don't try to justify a can of pepper spray. It's pretty above board that it's a self defense item. In 38 out of the 50 states it's legal to carry a firearm to defend oneself. So why can't we just say to someone who asks about our cane that "Hey, it's mean streets out there, and I may have to defend myself from some low life."
Yes, the A.D.A. gives us a fall back, but in a free society it shouldn't be needed.
Carl.
Deltaboy1984
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Your correct Carl. Another great post!
Tom609
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Yes, thank you Carl!
Honestly I have never had anyone even ask why I had mine (and I'm a younger guy). Yeah people stare, but nobody ever tried to challenge me. I think most people these days simply feel it's rude to ask and assume I'm either a wounded vet (common in this area) or that I have ataxia (which has no effect on the legs). The most that ever happens is they want to know where I got it or how it was made.
Harley Quinn
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I voted sometimes...
I have them around the house and in my vehicles If needed they are close, but if not carried like a ccw when the shtf, will have to worry about that if it happens, at the time...
Sort of a Virgil Cole attitude Robert B Parker character in a few books about the old west
http://www.thrillingdetective.com/eyes/cole_and_hitch.html
Why I train H2H, and lift weights, even at my old age
Cane and firearms also
I have them around the house and in my vehicles
If needed they are close, but if not carried like a ccw when the shtf, will have to worry about that if it happens, at the time...Sort of a Virgil Cole attitude
Robert B Parker character in a few books about the old west http://www.thrillingdetective.com/eyes/cole_and_hitch.html
Why I train H2H, and lift weights, even at my old age
Cane and firearms also
Gordon
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I just HAVE to post now with all you old service coots who I'd like to raise a horn with.
I know I can't tear heads off the monsters anymore at 65, nor outrun them, so when going to drinking establishments the last couple years my antique blackthorn goes with me. I carry a gun the rest of the time generally but always have a stock cane in my vehicles for lesser work!
Have a good day mates!
I know I can't tear heads off the monsters anymore at 65, nor outrun them, so when going to drinking establishments the last couple years my antique blackthorn goes with me. I carry a gun the rest of the time generally but always have a stock cane in my vehicles for lesser work!
Have a good day mates!
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Gadget Man!
Where I work, I'm known as "the gadget guy," the one who always has pliers or screwdriver or a knife. People who would normally flinch at a "big-ish" knife now find it more "amusing" than anything else when I first look at the job, then decide which knife to deploy. The admin secretary was my first person to de-sensitize and make accustomed to the presence of excessive cutlery.
Now, when something needs a little "tool" help, she'll send them to me: ask Arfin; he's the gadget guy. And generally, somewhere in my array of hardware, there's something that will do the job.
The side benefit is that nobody gives it a second thought when I whip out a full-sized folder to make a salad in the kitchen. Hey, it's just another one of his gadgets.
I have no problem being the eccentric in the crowd, as long as it gives me the freedom to lug around random sharps.
Now all I have to figure out is how a cane can be added to the gadget family without getting the Spock eyebrow.
Where I work, I'm known as "the gadget guy," the one who always has pliers or screwdriver or a knife. People who would normally flinch at a "big-ish" knife now find it more "amusing" than anything else when I first look at the job, then decide which knife to deploy. The admin secretary was my first person to de-sensitize and make accustomed to the presence of excessive cutlery.
Now, when something needs a little "tool" help, she'll send them to me: ask Arfin; he's the gadget guy. And generally, somewhere in my array of hardware, there's something that will do the job.
The side benefit is that nobody gives it a second thought when I whip out a full-sized folder to make a salad in the kitchen. Hey, it's just another one of his gadgets.
I have no problem being the eccentric in the crowd, as long as it gives me the freedom to lug around random sharps.
Now all I have to figure out is how a cane can be added to the gadget family without getting the Spock eyebrow.
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