How many M16s does the US gov. buy?

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I'm sure many here are aware of the speculation regarding the M16 platform being replaced as the main service rifle of the US armed forces with an H&K.

That may happen some day but the question I have is related to the number of M16 the US government buys annually.

Given that our guys are putting their weapons to a significant amount of use in Iraq at present, one has to assume the miliatry will be or is in a buying mood.

I wonder just how many M16 .gov buys annually?
I wonder how much the US gov. pays for each rifle?

THX in advance

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I took a tour of the FNMI plant in late 2003...at that point I think they were delivering 3600 M-16A4s a month to DoD. Cost was something like $475 each for the rifles themselves, plus about another $225 for the rail system.
 
Thanks guys,
In my E-plundering I found a bid announcement indicating .gov will be buying the M4 model for the next several years in the 1000s/year.
That makes me think the AR/M16 will be here for some time in the future.
I wonder about the caliber switch too.

Seems like that wouldput us out of step with NATO.
$475 is an excellent price!
Best,
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Must be a lot. I live about a mile from the FN plant Langenator spoke of. You can hear the M-16's all day long being tested.
3 rd. bursts and occasionally what sounds like a 20 rd. mag being emptied.
Ahhhh... The sound of machinegun fire early in the morning.
 
I did forget to mention the FN takes a loss on the M-16s. Think it's about $25-35. They make up the money selling parts and machine guns (M249s and M240s).
 
I wonder about the caliber switch too.

Not gonna be any switch, and contrary to the internet commando's "rumors" we have not even entertained the idea, authorized any testing or funded any such development or study of same.

The M16's replacement WILL be using the 5.56 NATO ammunition.
 
Not gonna be any switch, and contrary to the internet commando's "rumors" we have not even entertained the idea, authorized any testing or funded any such development or study of same.
This is only sort of true. It's possible the military will switch to a different 5.56 ammo from the current standard issue. I know for a fact that work has been done looking into this. It is highly unlikely that they will completely switch calibers to 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc though.
 
MrAcheson

As we've discussed here and on other forums, the big misperception of the 'lethality studies' being conducted is that they will somehow change the CHAMBERING in use. The point that I tried to make on TFL and that you helped clarify, and that same point which Kaferhaus is making here, is that while the actual round (designation and componentry) may be altered, the chambering will remain the same.
 
The truth is that our government buys more M-4 and M-16 rifles than anybody will EVER know. Some are bought to replace rifles presently being used up in combat or lost. Some are bought to replace other rifles being used in reserve forces and/or national guard units. Some are being bought for federal and local police use within and outside of our nation by allied nations. We sell or give away thousands of .223/5.56 rifles every year to other nations that need them. We have rifles/carbines, magazines and ammo that is put aside in hidden depots for sudden emergencies of a national order, like an unexpected invasion. Various federal agencies build up stockpiles in different locations for security forces which will defend special services needed by the federal government to keep it running. State governments join, in some cases, with the federal government, like Homeland Security, to buy rifles in quantities for a reduced rate. When you have to supply 1,000 to 2,000+ state troopers or highway patrolmen in your area, every little bit to reduce costs helps. Then there is the civilian side of supplying .223/5.56 rifles with all the special requested items. When I was with Special Forces many years ago, I got the idea that our government was buying all sorts of rifles from all sorts of suppliers and deliberately spreading out its purchases so nobody would easily be able to track how many were bought, stored, sold or given away. Heck, 2,500 rifles from Colt with 3,000 rifles from Armalite with 2,700 rifles from Eagle Arms and so on can mount up to a very large number of rifles in a hurry. It makes a guy wonder....:uhoh:
 
I don't expect to see either a change in caliber, or in rifle any time soon. It is generall aknowledge in ordnance circles that the conventional rifle has reached it's peak. Development money is being spent on the next thing - which right now seems to be the small caliber, high explosive smart projectile. The XM29 SABR and XM307 are examples of that trend.
 
An M16A2 cost $252 or $254 each, but the Marine Corps has entered into switching this, I remember the price because one of the guys in the maintence area, cut his A2 barrel off, threaded the barrel, replaced the compensator and then a few days latter tried to cut the butstock, forgeting about the buffer... my SSgt at the time, over saw the armory as a collateral duty. The kids NJP had a fine of the cost of a new A2, which was slightly lower than my comrats at the time.

How many M16's, LOL! I think Rifleman 173 said it best. I've heard the cost of a new M4 is around $640, we have recieved a few thousand of them since April, just in my little unit, we've also recieved Aimpoint Comp M3's and Aimpoint Comp M4's at a cost of around $360, which is about half the retail price, because Aimpoint is just generally a good company. I can tell you that the Army has a 210,000 contract for Aimpoint Comp M4's at a cost of less than $300 each, less than 50% the retail cost. There's a message out to TO all Staff NCO's and Officers with M4's vs the M9's.

As far as caliber changes... there's nothing wrong with 5.56mm, it's short comeings have been replaced by better training, and the adition of other weapons systems, like the SR-25 as a DM rifle inside the squad level. There's no word to switch from M885 green tip anytime soon, we love that little SS109 penetrator round.

There aren't enough men who can handle the old .308 M14, have you seen the gear we are forced to wear, it's like a bomb suit, and you want us to carry what? Remember, this is the "Kinder, Gentler Military" we also have to train Women and skiny little boys on these weapons. 5.56 is a light round, light on recoil, easy follow up shots, light on logistics, heavy on capacity in a mag that's just right.

Drastic changes to the Marksmanship Program have come from the OEF/OIF wars, and I've been watching it advance over the past 6 years, into a mindset to shoot to kill, till the enemy is down... vs. the corny idea of "one shot one kill". Problem is, even the finest marksmanship of the Marine Corps, annually qualifys on a target that you shoot once and it goes down, so there's still a stipulation, that you shoot once and your target goes down... till your target is hopped up on opium & cocaine and keeps comeing at you do you realize that it will take 3-5 shots to take him down.

In addition, there will be no switch from the M9 to a .45 anytime soon either. If you have followed the Joint Pistol Program, it's dead. The powers that be bought 14 million Berreta M9 mags, they're litterally bulgeing from every armory around. The problem with the M9, was the asian mags, they sucked... there's nothing wrong with the M9 for 98% of the people that carry one, 90% of those people are Rear Echelon and don't kneed the .45acp, of those 90% only 10% of them could handle a .45acp properly.

Come on Gents, we have the best military in the world, but face it; we have weapons that are dummy proof and half way indestructable from operator error, it's a volunteer force, I had the same idiot load thier M9 mag backwards 2 different fyscal years, we have to have an overly complicated weapon for safety.

OK I'll get off my soap box. Happiness is a belt feed weapon!
 
Cost was something like $475 each for the rifles themselves.
And if I want one, it'll cost me $15,000+

grumble grumble stupid 922(o) grumble grumble
 
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