how many of you actually have just a pistol grip(no stock)

[Fred Fuller]

I do...



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[rromeo]

You can keep the pistolgrips on the pistols. They are next to worthless on a shotgun.

Pistol grip only, I agree. However, I recently got a shotgun with a stock and pistol grip, and I think that is a nice combination.

 

[bannockburn]

Tried one (Maverick 88); didn't like it. Found a regular stock at a gun show and put it on and it's been good to go for home defense ever since.

 

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I have an ithica 37 12ga. with a pistol grip, do not hold it at eye level. Shotguns have a lot of recoil and can hit you in the face. Don't ask me how I know.

I disagree I own a pistol grip Pardner pump and can shoot it one handed with .00 it will not hit you in the face unless you let it. Just grip it firmly for gods sake. I love the ease which I can wind thru my house and it is damn dealt when. Leading a room. Bad guys do not like shotguns being pointed t them.

 

[Wigon]

Has anyone had any luck with the Blackhawk Knoxx pistol grips that have that spring-recoil reducing device in it? I would like to keep my stock on my Mav88, however my problem is that my house has very narrow doorways and very narrow hallways so much that even with with an 18.5" barrel it hangs up in the walls when cutting the pie around corners. As such I keep a back up pistol on the nightstand and another on my body armor. I was thinking of ordering one of these Knoxx grips but got turned off by a NutNFancy video where the spring broke. But I'm not sure if that was a rare occurrence or whether these grips are indeed just junk novelty items. The other option I'm looking at is instead getting a telescopic stock that allows me to shorten the stock to a very short size.

 

[Averageman]

I would agree that although it might appear handy, it would be questionable in the accuracy and recoil management.
I've looked at this idea a bit and have read that a "Birdshead Grip" is much more managable. I haven't tried one yet, but it is a project sitting on a shelf at the moment.
I'm not sure that going the SBS route might be much more practical.

 

[Candyman87]

My buddy has that on a Mossberg 500 with 18" barrel. I put one round of buckshot through it and handed it back to him. The things a wrist breaker and miserable to shoot.

Ironically, six months later he's shopping for a new stock for it.

 

[akarguy]

Sounds like consensus is pistol grip on a standard pump shotgun is not a good combo. What about AK/AR platform shotguns? How are they to shoot? Are the recoil systems in those sufficient to manage the blowback and make the pistol grip worthwhile? Anyone with a VEPR 12 care to weigh in?

 

[200Apples]

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and, kudos to the fellow who has posted pictures of the man in the t-shirt holding a short shotgun in an awkward stance... it may seem to work for him.

I am of the opinion that no-shoulder-stock shotguns are ridiculous. To be truly fast-pointing (and therefore accurate), a shotgun needs to come to your eye in an instant, same time every time. This is where a shoulder stock is necessary...

Now, if one simply wants a very-short shotgun, may I suggest a "coach gun". Although their barrels remain the legal, 18" length, the gun itself is considerably shorter in overall length due to the single-shot break action-style receiver. I've always appreciated the intimidating look of a coach gun. One day, I may have one (meanwhile, this shooter has levergun fever! Hee!)

 

[Sam1911]

What about AK/AR platform shotguns? How are they to shoot? Are the recoil systems in those sufficient to manage the blowback and make the pistol grip worthwhile? Anyone with a VEPR 12 care to weigh in?

Not sure exactly what you're asking here. Recoil is NOT the problem with a PGO shotgun. The poor handling does. When I had a pistol-only grip on my Mossberg 12ga, I used to fire 3" slugs and buckshot. One handed even. Shot clay birds out of the sky, too. But it is completely comparable with any full-stocked gun for actual useful accuracy. As 200Apples says, you've got to have the butt anchored to your shoulder and your eye in a repeatable position behind the receiver to work effectively with the gun.

Having said all that, sure the Saiga/Vepr shotguns are kind of cool. Some are even reliable, at least with work done. But keep a stock on them for serious uses.

 

[Sam1911]

Also worth reviewing: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=44465

The single greatest treatise on Pistol-Grip-Only shotguns and "hip shooting" from someone of great worth who actually knew what he was talking about.

 

[Master Blaster]

I like shoulder stocks on my shotguns and pistol grips on my pistols. I have shot a pistol grip shotgun when I was younger and less knowledgeable about what works for me.

Self defense house clearing is either done with an HK USP or Glock 30 but a 12 gauge with a 20" barrel and a regular stock would work as well, my shotguns shoot where I look and I learned with a shoulder stock. Someone trying to take it away would get a full load of buckshot at point blank range.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Shot clay birds out of the sky, too.

From the 27 line?

Has anyone had any luck with the Blackhawk Knoxx pistol grips that have that spring-recoil reducing device in it?

I had a factory one a Remington 870. The adjustment was nice and it did help with recoil, but the comb was far too low for my taste. I was going to get the higher cheekpiece in the following link, but ultimately sold the shotgun to raise funds for something else.

http://blackhawk.com/Products/Stock...sories/Cheekpads/Knoxx®-PowerPak-System™.aspx

 

[BigBore45]

I do...



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I'm left handed, no thanks.

 

[Sam1911]

From the 27 line?

LOL. From wherever we happened to be standing in an empty field. Shoot enough shells, eventually you hit one...

 

[Walkalong]

For me, a normal stocked shotgun is easier to shoot well from down low than a pistol grip is from just about anywhere.

The PG only SG is easier to conceal and move around with, and that is where any advantage ends.

IMHO of course.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

on your home defense shotgun? how well do you shoot buckshot up to 25 yards? do you use low recoil/tactical or full power?

i feel like getting this one:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/74...g-500-12-gauge-synthetic-black?cm_vc=wishList

Only ever used them with standard GI 00Buck.

Hated them!

Hated all of them!

 

[Rusty59]

Two of my friends have pistol grip shotguns, with practice you can hit what your aiming for.
It might make a good HD gun if you spend enough time with it just don't shoot it to close to your face!

 

[lemaymiami]

Thank you Sam for posting that old Dave McCracken response about PGO poppers... I have trouble speaking about any such foolishness.... Here are some actual practical things to consider about pistol grips (or those terrible Remington metal folding stocks that someone posted a picture of on one response.....). Metal folders first.. if you ever see someone bringing one to the range, find out where the band-aids are since he/she will be needing them after just one or two shots... I've seen officers on my own outfit that needed them for a variety of minor wounds. Most usually will never use one more than once...

Yes, super short "entry weapons" can have a place on a well trained team - but on my Department they discontinued using them since once entry is made -they're pretty much useless (and you can't set it down anywhere as you reach for that sidearm....) so the guy armed with one is pretty much out of any fight -if fight is required.

The only thing a pistol gripped shotgun is really useful for is someone on the other side of the law -as a close range intimidator, and that guy had better pray he never has to engage someone that does know what they're doing... that actually brought a useful weapon to the fight.

 

[Jaymo]

I'd like to have a Serbu Super Shorty. It's about as useless as teats on a mule (for me), much like my AK pistol.
It would be a range toy only.
I wonder how much that short barrel affects powder burn and MV?

For HD, it's a 12 gauge pump with a Speedfeed stock.

 

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I have a .12 gauge pistol grip shotgun. I love it and take this from aformer army ranger who has put a lot of rounds down range. Took it to the range and shot it at eye level and no I didn't hit myself in the face and matter of fact I shot it at the same targets as a full stock .12 guage and hit the target just as good. If you can't fire a pistol grip from eye level and on target then maybe some morning p.t. Might be what you need. He'll even my wife fires it from eye level and destroys the target at 25 yards. My living room is only 5 yards across. And I can bring it to bear way quicker in my hallway then A full stocked .12. So for all you pistol grip haters out there I don't know maybe more push-ups in the morning hell maybe just one push-up if you can do it. Stop hating on pistol grips

 

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Once again into the breach. I taught my wife to fire from the prone position from our bedroom doorway. We have a small house and between the bed the wall and the door opening there is no way to bring a full size shotgun to bear in that space. The pistol grip works awesome. So instead of having to shoot a .9 mil or a tiny M4 which she would probably miss with she can without a doubt clear the kitchen and living room with our pistol grip .12 guage and to me brother that's all that matters.

 

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How many civilians do you now using pgs to clear rooms with???? The only one I know is me or my wife clearing the living room of home invaders. So in that aspect it works damn great. I mean is your average homeowner going out to clear a drug den? So yes in your tactical realm it may not be the correct weapon to use but don't disregard the usefulness of. Pgs in clearing the front door of some very bad home invaders. You may live in a nice neighborhood but I have the hood 1/2 block from my house and a 9 mil just don't cut it. Oh and never once in hundreds of rounds have either my wife or I had to grab a band-aid. Cmon man!!! By the way we consider ourselves as former veterans. Workers and taxpayers to be on the right side of the law..

 

[Capstick1]

I don't like pistol grips on any shotgun with or without a buttstock. They're uncomfortable and can make your hand sore especially if your shooting 300 rds or more at the trap range like I like to do. A buttstock does a lot to control a shotgun which comes in handy when your shooting OO buck or 1oz slugs. Most people who shoot shotguns with pistol gripped shotguns with no buttstock are gangsta's, mall ninja's and people who've seen "Terminator" too many times. These shotguns are totally impractical that look kool in the action movies but like so many other things we see in the movies don't make too much sense in real world use.

 

[Ranger Roberts]

I love it and take this from aformer army ranger who has put a lot of rounds down range.

If you can't fire a pistol grip from eye level and on target then maybe some morning p.t. Might be what you need.

So let me get this straight "former Army Ranger" (generally we capitalize Army Ranger but I'm sure you knew that and it was just a minor error on your part), if my 16 year old niece can't hold a 12 ga pistol grip at eye level and hit everything she aims at, your solution is PT?

So instead of having to shoot a .9 mil or a tiny M4 which she would probably miss with she can without a doubt clear the kitchen and living room with our pistol grip .12 guage and to me brother that's all that matters

Funny thing about those "tiny" M4's and 9mm's (remember back to your time in the service, that's how we referred to them, not a .9 mil) anyway, they are our standard issue weapons. I don't remember getting to Afghanistan and saying "gee guys, these M4's are really neat, but do you think I can have a pistol grip shotgun instead?"

By the way we consider ourselves as former veterans. Workers and taxpayers to be on the right side of the law..

I think I can speak for myself and every veteran I know, we aren't FORMER veterans.

You're on a public forum telling people to hold a 12 ga pistol grip shotgun at eye level and if they can't take the recoil then they need to do some push ups. That is the furthest thing from responsible gun ownership I have heard all day.

To all the adults on the forum, I'm sorry for the rant. To answer the OP's question. I bought a mossberg 500 that had a pistol grip. It was pretty abusive but it was fun at the range for a little bit. I have since changed to a full stock. If you buy that shotgun and don't like it, just change out the pistol grip for a stock!