How many of you keep your 10/22s stock?

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I got curious to see if I had it right so I went and found the target. My memory was close.

There are two groups, the first (on left) was 3 shots that I measured at .217". A bit low, I adjusted the scope and fired a 5 shot group that I read at exactly .250". I think I found the 5 shot group more impressive so I tend to forget the first, smaller one.

Unfortunately, I had this hanging in the garage for a couple years and one day I splattered black paint on it explaining the spots. But the paint splatter doesn't resemble the bullet holes so they are not confusing.

On the back (above the 1st group) in pencil (badly faded after 23 years) I wrote:

8/27/87
95 (degrees)
Fresno Rifle and Pistol (Club)
50 yds
Rapid Fire (underlined for emphasis)

I didn't think to have a witness sign it because it never occurred to me that anyone would call me a liar. People who meet me know better than to do that to my face and in 1987 I had yet to even hear of a thing called the Internet.

Targets from the front:

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Back of targets with notation in upper right quadrant:

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Detail of notation:

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Nice shooting with a 10/22 or any 22 rifle. Did you record the ammo choice? For me in 1987, it most likely would have been Remington Golden Bullets. (Yes, I still have them stored from then.) Need to shoot mine again as it dates from that exact time. I haven't shot it in years.

It is good to see a good shooting stock 10/22 exists.

My one and only 10/22 is pure stock except for the 4x scope. I bought it so that I could park my Weatherby Mark XXII (semi) from general plinking use.
 
No need to get personal. I didn't call you a liar. Only stated that what you posted was (and is) HIGHLY unlikely. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and know what it takes to build an accurate 10/22 and what kind of rifle it takes to shoot quarter inch groups at 50yds. Which you propose to do with a $200 plinker, with what is usually a creepy 7-8lb trigger, that is notorious for shooting no better than an inch at that range. That said, two groups on one day doesn't mean much. It surely doesn't qualify one for what anybody would consider a "half-MOA rifle".

At what range is your Redfield 4x set parallax free? Probably 100yds. Parallax issues would surely creep into a 1/4" group. Enough to so to turn a quarter inch gun into a half inch gun easily.

So I'm sorry if I have a hard time believing that a stock Ruger carbine will do what it usually takes a heavily modified 10/22, Anschutz or Cooper to do.


Perhaps the sun and the moon and the stars all aligned that day for me.
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I'll go along with that.
 
"Hate to call anybody out but if true..."

That strikes me as somewhat personal.

You have seen the rifle and the targets. If you still don't believe that's your choice. I said this was unusual. But there it is.

22-R, I do not recall for certain what ammo I was using but I have always shot a lot of Remingtons. It was not match ammo as I never buy that.
 
At that time, I wouldn't have considered buying match 22 ammo. Pay 3x the price for what end? The Remington gb's were still pretty good during those days.

Craig, you know you can get groups like that with Savage Mark II's and the CZ's as well as the Remington 541-S or -T (vs Coopers and Anshutz's). But you also know you won't shoot like that every time. If you did, you'd win all the matches or most of them.

SaxonPig, I think we both need to warm up our stock 10/22's and see how they do after being semi-retired. I mostly shot mine at 25 yds as 50 yds was a little uncomfortable with a 4x (Bushnell Banner which was a step up for me at the time) at 50 yds. Seems I never upgrade a scope after I mount one; just buy another rifle. I bought the 10/22 Deluxe for plinking or small game hunting. There were no forums then and until I started reading the foums, I never knew the 10/22 was a poor performer on the target range. I never thought the 10/22 Deluxe was "cheap" at the time, but I understand the comment these days as I have much higher grade stuff now.
 
A few random 1/2 moa groups is possible, even a blind pig finds an acorn occasionally. A consistent 1/2 moa from a unmodified 10/22 would be a very rare rifle. Most have to work very hard to get 1 moa from a modified 10/22.
 
I wanted something a little more tactical so I put the folding ATI stock on the cheapest version i could find. Total $300 Already had a fore grip and red dot I put on it.
 
Craig, you know you can get groups like that with Savage Mark II's and the CZ's as well as the Remington 541-S or -T (vs Coopers and Anshutz's). But you also know you won't shoot like that every time. If you did, you'd win all the matches or most of them.
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Not with any kind of consistency. At least not with my 541-T or Savage MKII and certainly not without match ammo, tuning, bedding and trigger work. Not with my first Clark-barrelled 10/22 either. Though my new mid-weight 10/22 ($900 without scope!) I believe will do it. Once it cools down I will do more testing with Wolf MT, ME, Federal UltraMatch and some RWS I picked up a while back. I sure as hell won't come close to it with bulk ammo. Except, of course, for the occasional fluke.

Flukes don't count, SaxonPig.
 
Flukes don't count, SaxonPig.
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Funny thing is he has two flukes, and on the same piece of paper. :rolleyes: Therefore the only plausible explanations are it happened as stated or the target was produced at much lesser distance (which would constitute you calling him a liar).

I kept my 10/22 stock for years before modifying it (even had it chambered for a different cartridge for a while). They are good rifles but honestly I believe there are better options for someone that doesn't want to customize (most notably the Marlin M-60). OTOH they have proven themselves to be one of the best platforms for customization, and often outshoot the competition with the addition of aftermarket parts and when modifications are performed (but at much greater expense).

:)
 
A poll would be interesting.

Mine is 99% stock. I added an extended magazine release, that's it. Still iron sights, wood stock, stock trigger, etc. I wish the factory sights were better and/or the scope mount was easier to attach rigidly.
 
I replaced the extractor on mine with an aftermarket extractor due to ejection problems. I also installed a buffer while I had everything apart. Otherwise, the gun is the same as it left the factory. My wife loves it and shoots it, mostly.
 
Funny thing is he has two flukes, and on the same piece of paper.
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Big deal, it's still only eight shots! Show me five consecutive five-shot groups in the quarter inch range from a recent range visit and I'll gladly eat my hat with mustard. Until then, I'll continue using my knowledge, common sense and integrated BS detector.
 
Stock here, no money to dress her up. It does have a red dot scope unmagnified on it, but I still view this as stock.
 
Right now mine is stock, over the winter I plan on changing it a bit.

I want to put on a better barrel and trigger group, and change the stock.
 
Mine was stock when I sold it; probably still is unless the buyer wanted to hit anything with it...
 
Flukes don't count, SaxonPig.
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Of course they count. They show what the rifle can do like it or not. But consistancy is important too. It's just two targets that were saved because they were exceptional at the time. I save good ones too, but I can't shoot like that all the time nor do I expect to. Match ammo that does well in a particular rifle helps. Those older Remington gb's always shot okay for me at the time. Now..... well, 0.5" groups at 50 yds on a very good day, but more typically 0.5" > 0.75" groups edge to edge which still is not so shabby.
 
I just inherited my dad's old hammered one, and I might replace some of the guts with new premium ones, and get some hi-viz sights. Other than that I don't think I'll mess with it, it's mostly a training tool for my kids, I don't need to spoil them from the beginning.
 
CraigC said:
Big deal, it's still only eight shots! Show me five consecutive five-shot groups in the quarter inch range from a recent range visit and I'll gladly eat my hat with mustard. Until then, I'll continue using my knowledge, common sense and integrated BS detector.
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I don't want to stir the pot here but I have to agree. Five shoot groups and on the same piece of paper, preferably five different groups. Then you have something. For those that haven't tried a series of five shot groups, give it a try, it's very difficult not to have one or two fliers out of twenty five rounds. It
 
I have a stock unit--picked up from Cabelas this year--it came with a cheap scope but it gets the job done.
The only thing I don't like is the lacquer or whatever coating on the stock.
It chips off very easily.
This gun is very accurate.
500 rds with no FTF or FTE--that won't last..........................:)
 
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