How many rounds for self defense?

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NRA MYTH #8: ASSAULT WEAPONS, AND HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES THAT WERE BANNED AT THE SAME TIME, ARE NEEDED FOR SELF-DEFENSE

Response: False. As explained above, assault weapons utilize military features useful in combat, but which have no civilian purpose. Assault weapons are exceedingly dangerous if used in self defense, because the bullets many of the weapons fire are designed to pass through humans and will pass through structures, and therefore pose a heightened risk of hitting innocent bystanders. As Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police has explained: “An AK-47 fires a military round. In a conventional home with dry-wall walls, I wouldn’t be surprised if it went through six of them.†No one would want a bullet fired in self defense to penetrate a home’s walls, where it could strike bystanders in neighboring homes.

High capacity magazines containing more than 10 rounds, which were also banned as part of the Federal Assault Weapons Act, are also not useful for self defense, as law enforcement expert Leonard J. Supenski has testified:

“The typical self-defense scenario in a home does not require more ammunition than is available in a standard 6-shot revolver or 6-10 round semiautomatic pistol. In fact, because of potential harm to others in the household, passersby, and bystanders, too much firepower is a hazard. Indeed, in most self-defense scenarios, the tendency is for defenders to keep firing until all bullets have been expended.â€

Assault weapons were designed for military use. They have no legitimate use as self defense weapons.


SOURCE: Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence
 
I use a 30 round magazine in my "Select Fire Home Defense Rifle". The more the merrier. I'd have a C-Mag in it if I could spare the cash.
 
They're right about rifle rounds penetrating through multiple layers of drywall. But who's to say that 6-10 rounds is enough? How many cops only carry one full magazine? Will you even hit them in 10? Are they on PCP or in such a mental state that 6-10 rounds won't stop them?

So, all pistols should have no restrictions regarding capacity. Also, weapons like the Glock 18, MP5, and Uzi's should have no restrictions at all. After all these weapons are less likely to over penetrate.

They can take away my AK if they replace it with a un-neutered MP5.
 
What is self defense, if not combat? Wouldnt the most logical choice of self defense weapon be the weapon best suited to killing your attackers?

Also, police are barred from using deadly force in almost every case except self defense and "emminent danger" type situations, so by the same token they shouldnt need more than 6 shots. Actually, police should get one shot each since there are so many of them.

btw- brady is full of BS and will continue to be irrelevant as long as pro-gunners keep winning elections

To answer the original question: I need to find some 8 rounders for my saiga.
 
The only reason they even support having one round for self defense is because a huge majority of the public supports gun ownership for self defense and they would easily be tagged as being out of step w/ the sheeple.

Besides 10 round magazines are less reliable than standard cap magazines in most cases if the gun was designed for more than 10.
 
There's this little issue of not having what you need when you need it, be it the 1st, 2nd, 11th, or 31st round.
 
They originally wanted a six round mag limit, got stuck with 10 at the Federal level and now have to justify it.

"10 is plenty, heck more than enough."

Edited to add when the NYC PD switched over to Glock 9mms the high brass had their magazines blocked to 10 rounds to cut down on spray and pray shootings.
 
There is one small grain of truth in the anti-gun rantings of the Brady bunch. For an urban self defense weapon, a rifle (be it an assault Ak47, M-16 or a garden variety Rem 742 bolt action using Full jacketed bullets ) will most certainly not be stopped by a sheet of drywall or 5 or 6 . All this really means is that if you use a rifle you had best know what is available for a backstop since responsibility for each round fired is yours from start to finish. If a rifle is all you have for self defense,by all means use it,. IMO there are far better choices for most close encounters in the form of almost any handgun loaded with teacup sized hollowpoints, or even a shotgun loaded with #4 buck.

With respect to the idea that no more than standard capacity pistols or 6 shot revolvers is necessary for self defense, B.S. In a perfect world, all of us would be able to stop a BG with 1 or 2 rounds placed CM at 21 feet, and a 6 shot revolver would be more than enough to get the job done.

Now, throw in the stress induced by the situation ( BG starts shooting back, wife starts screaming etc. and the odds of that 1 or 2 shot stop goes out the window. Read my lips "YOU CAN'T HAVE TOO MANY UNINTERRUPTED SHOTS AVAILABLE IN A GUNFIGHT"

My personal favorite loading is to have the first round up the spout be a Glaser or mag safe, followed by as many Silvertips as the gun will hold.
 
As Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police has explained: “An AK-47 fires a military round. In a conventional home with dry-wall walls, I wouldn’t be surprised if it went through six of them.â€

But but but...FOP supported HR218!
 
Having the Brady Campaign deciding a maximum clip size is like having PETA decide how much beef I can eat.
 
I wonder what the Brady campaign's opinion is about having a fixed bayonet just in case that magazine runs dry?

Ahhh what am I thinking, their opinion doesn't matter to me anyhow :evil:
 
how many for self-defense?

As many as I can carry. Better to not need and have than to need and not have.

That being said, my main carry piece sports a 14rd magazine full of .40S&W.
 
I am employed as a security officer, and I am certified by the state of Ohio Peace Officer Training Commission in revolver, semi-auto pistol, and shotgun for private security. I remember last August when I was in the shotgun class that the instructor, who is a police officer telling us that the more rounds the better. I am trained to have as much ammunition as possible by the same organization that certifies the police and security officers in the state and then I hear a political statement like this. I think a police officer like that should be sent to a totalitarian country where they belong. :barf:
 
"I agree and will sign the AWB or support it, if it is placed on my desk. After all, we just need O/U shotguns to hunt birdies"

This statement was agreed to by

a. GWB
b. John Kerry
c. The New Attorney General
d. All of the above

Stop the presses, we have folks on this board who would ban the evil 50 BMG!
 
PMDW... I gotta ask... you've got a class III rifle and can't come up with a Beta C? You've got that much in the tax stamp, man!!

You spend $5,400, and then try to find another $200. It's winter, my normal job is seasonal, and what little money I make from being an arms dealer goes towards car payments (just blew another $3,200 on that). I is teh p00r. :)

Edit: Another thing thing - I can't shoot my $5,400 gun. Can't afford the ammo. Kinda funny, really.
 
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