how NOT to debate an anti

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Steel Horse Rider said:
I'm not sure why this was allowed to be posted. I have seen many other posts similar to this locked before there were two or three responses. If this place is the High Road I would hope the membership would not be this stupid so I did not understand the comment "Guys... come on" so why would a moderator make such a comment?

As I have stated before, this road is evidently not too high...... :banghead:
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Why do you say that?

The answer is not to pretend there are not idiots out there who do this sort of thing. Covering our ears, shutting our eyes, and screaming "La La La La La!" will not change the events, nor prevent it in the future. Pointing out how idiotic it is to pull a firearm out when it is not necessary is. Talking about it and teaching new firearm enthusiasts is. Reminding old timers not to be laxed just because they feel comfortable is. Policing ourselves and calling out a fellow shooter is.

Police ourselves and call each other out when we're messing up will help prevent further Government intrusion and giving the Antis more ammo.
 
We'd all be better off if people thought a little more about the rules of gun safety.

When you draw your gun in public, there's rarely a safe direction which means that it's virtually always a violation of the muzzle control rule.

Do NOT draw your carry gun unless you must.
 
Everyone makes bad decisions, hopefully he takes this opportunity to learn how to safely handle firearms and learns how to take responsibility for his actions.
 
Not that this guy is not a complete idiot, but I could not help but notice the first 'story' just had to throw the line:

According to the employee, they two were discussing the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees the right to bear arms, at least in the context of a “well-regulated militia.”
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:rolleyes:
 
I am reminded of a line from the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer: (I admit it, I liked it.)
"Xander, I beg you not to help me."
 
AlexanderA said:
It used to be that when the press used the terms "spirited discussion," "spirited debate," etc., it was code for the parties being drunk. Maybe that was the case here?
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or maybe, just maybe... the "gunman" was an anti himself involved in a bit of "street theater." I seem to recall an anti with a blog how easy it was to get a CCW a while back. She carried a weapon and advertised the fact then blogged her experiences.
 
Officers'Wife said:
or maybe, just maybe... the "gunman" was an anti himself involved in a bit of "street theater." I seem to recall an anti with a blog how easy it was to get a CCW a while back. She carried a weapon and advertised the fact then blogged her experiences.
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Unlikely. Did the person you remember brandish and then discharge a weapon, destroying private property in the process, risking incarceration?

No, IMO, this was an "unsafe at any speed, with any implement" gun owner who most likely was not captain of his high school debate team.
 
"... his gun went off..."

Guns don't "go off".

So many common sense and legal rules violated here, but the biggest is "finger off the trigger".
 
The gun accidentally discharged
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or maybe, just maybe... the "gunman" was an anti himself involved in a bit of "street theater."
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Yes, no gunowner could possibly be a dumb loudmouth jerk :rolleyes:. I would posit that this man's dumb loudmouthed jerkitude is the real problem, not his access to guns, and that he will be a dumb loudmouthed menace no matter what situation he finds himself in or what means he is allowed to be a jerk with.

+1 for at least the guy with the gun being drunk in this encounter. The refrain about guns in town being like the wild west always fails to mention that rampant alcoholism/substance abuse was a huge factor in the violent and unhinged behavior that characterized that era, and that sober individuals were among the most polite and civilized humanity has ever seen --if they weren't they got invited to duels :eek:

TCB
 
The Bill of Rights was written for all Americans, even the really stupid ones.
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Except this really stupid one has nothing to do with the BOR. He violated safety rules any responsible gun owner lives by and then broke the law by negligently discharging the firearm and fleeing the scene.

He is not one of us.
 
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Except this really stupid one has nothing to do with the BOR. He violated safety rules any responsible gun owner lives by and then broke the law by negligently discharging the firearm and fleeing the scene.

He is not one of us.
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I agree... he's a wannabe. Then again, don't we all wannabe part of the 2A rights movement? It's just too bad this guy hasn't educated and trained himself. My guess is he knows what a F/U he was in that particular situation and is deeply regretting his own stupidity. With some time, maybe he'll improve. And if he reads this thread... maybe he'll see that THR cannot tolerate ignorance and carelessness... and promotes learning.
 
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Just because we share this one point of agreement doesn't mean that he's someone we should defend or embrace.

He's a reckless idiot that endangered someone else and endangers 2A advocacy with his stupidity.
 
Hey, over the years I've come across at least my fair share of examples of people that ought not to own firearms, let alone carry them in public. At some point their inability to exercise common sense and the ability to conform to simple laws of conduct in a civilized free society may subject them to some restraint in their conduct.

This isn't a perfect world, is it?
 
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debating antis? why waste my time?.. its always going to be some self righteous, arrogant little prick whos been conditioned into some socialist idealistic mindset who believes i in some way owe him some kind of an explanation as to why i own guns, of which i owe no such thing
 
and kernel, lately ive been noticing a lot of "news" articles showing up with no evidence, no whitness, nothing to back up the story, with a clear agenda towards painting a bad picture of gun owners, veterens, or really anyone who has any kind of a problem with this current transition towards UN mandated socialism our "leaders" are all on board with.. and i use that term VERY loosely in an attempt to not insult real leaders in this country
 
At no point in any 2A argument/discussion I've had did it ever occur to me to pull out my gun to prove a point. I've either never been beaten that badly or never been trained in the finer arts of debate that involve props and uncontrolled projectiles. Maybe that's why I don't understand how it ever could have reached that point.

And good job reinforcing his beliefs, genius. I'm sure you won some other store employees over to his side, too.

With "friends" like these...
 
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