Sean Smith
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How reluctantly will you vote for Bush?
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SAG0282
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For those who say Bush turned his back on gun owners, who brought CCW to TX? Who installed an AG who defends private gun ownership without exception or compromise? Bush. Sure, you may not agree with him 100%, but he isn't an ENEMY of gun ownership, not in the least.
Moparmike
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On a national level, he certainly doesnt parade around in his "Friend of Gun Owners" suit and scream how friendly he is to us at the top of his lungs.
At best, I would call him a luke-warm supporter. Drop in a few "Ice Cubes of voter dissent" and he ceases to be our friend. Real easy to do when you want votes, and your votes dont look like a sure thing.
At best, I would call him a luke-warm supporter. Drop in a few "Ice Cubes of voter dissent" and he ceases to be our friend. Real easy to do when you want votes, and your votes dont look like a sure thing.
jamz
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100% reservation for me. It would make me almost physically ill to vote for either Bush or Kerry. Thank God I'm not in a swing state.
I am voting libertarian because it would be close to my real choice, and I live in Massachusetts, who'se electoral college results are pretty much a foregone conclusion, especially this election.
-James
I am voting libertarian because it would be close to my real choice, and I live in Massachusetts, who'se electoral college results are pretty much a foregone conclusion, especially this election.
-James
Chris Rhines
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It's looking less and less likely that I'll debase myself by voting at all. Really, what does voting get me? I don't support either major candidate at all, even to the extent of prefering one over the other.
I'll probably do something productive on election day, like going to work. Or the range.
- Chris
I'll probably do something productive on election day, like going to work. Or the range.
- Chris
This is going to be a bad election. Some people have choose between
the 2nd amendment or a job to put food on the table. Bush has destroyed
the job market for the last 2 1/2 to 3 years and it is not going to get any better soon. The Dems are usualy better in that area. Like I said, it's
going to be a hard decsision for a lot of people!
the 2nd amendment or a job to put food on the table. Bush has destroyed
the job market for the last 2 1/2 to 3 years and it is not going to get any better soon. The Dems are usualy better in that area. Like I said, it's
going to be a hard decsision for a lot of people!
seeker_two
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Third-party voter here.....
Bush has been a man of his word. He's kept his promises. And I trust & believe Bush when he says that he wants to cut taxes, punish the terrorists, sign the AWB, solidify the powers of the Patriot Acts, and give illegal aliens a pass to take jobs from US citizens.
I can't compromise on my beliefs and positions in order to lose my freedoms more slowly than under a Democrat administration. Bush is the wrong man for the job, and I don't want to give him four lame-duck years to put his "compassionate conservative" (i.e. moderate liberal) domestic policies in place. If the Republicans have forgotten that their voters prefer conservatism, then losing this election will be a pointed reminder.
As for Kerry winning--at least we all agree that he is the enemy to our freedoms. We can unify & fight him. Not everyone is seeing how much danger the Bush administration has been to our freedoms.
I may consider him as a write-in vote....
Bush has been a man of his word. He's kept his promises. And I trust & believe Bush when he says that he wants to cut taxes, punish the terrorists, sign the AWB, solidify the powers of the Patriot Acts, and give illegal aliens a pass to take jobs from US citizens.
I can't compromise on my beliefs and positions in order to lose my freedoms more slowly than under a Democrat administration. Bush is the wrong man for the job, and I don't want to give him four lame-duck years to put his "compassionate conservative" (i.e. moderate liberal) domestic policies in place. If the Republicans have forgotten that their voters prefer conservatism, then losing this election will be a pointed reminder.
As for Kerry winning--at least we all agree that he is the enemy to our freedoms. We can unify & fight him. Not everyone is seeing how much danger the Bush administration has been to our freedoms.
I may consider him as a write-in vote....
TamThompson
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Either way, we're getting a Yalie Skull and Bonesman. Sure would be nice to have a real choice. At the risk of sounding tin-foil-hattish, it sure smells like a ruling elite conspiracy to keep their men in power.
I'm going third-party (didn't vote for Bush previously, won't vote for him now, but won't vote for Kerry, either.)
I'm going third-party (didn't vote for Bush previously, won't vote for him now, but won't vote for Kerry, either.)
"yote"-
"yote" wrote:
I'm generally not inclined to have anything good to say about GWB, but in what way has he destroyed the job market? If there's anything that comes out of his mouth that I can believe, its "we inherited this recession." Can you elaborate?
316SS
"yote" wrote:
I'm generally not inclined to have anything good to say about GWB, but in what way has he destroyed the job market? If there's anything that comes out of his mouth that I can believe, its "we inherited this recession." Can you elaborate?
316SS
If you vote 3rd party you will split the vote and you might as well just go ahead and vote for that gun-hatin' Kerry.
Kerry has HUGE momentum already, and you can bet that every anti out there will vote for him, then we will have a whole new movement in the very wrong direction. You think the AWB is bad.. just wait.
Kerry can not win, plain and simple.
Kerry has HUGE momentum already, and you can bet that every anti out there will vote for him, then we will have a whole new movement in the very wrong direction. You think the AWB is bad.. just wait.
Kerry can not win, plain and simple.
What 316SS said.
I think between a recession, the events of 09/11/01, the dot.com bust, the Enron type scandals, glut of illegal and cheap alien workers, outsourcing overseas, and manufacturing jobs moving overseas are the reasons for so much job loss. Bush had very little to do with it. He does not have that kind of juice.
You notice that we have an economy with a pretty robust growth, but new job growth is lagging way behind, and I think no one knows why except maybe for some of those factors I just mentioned above.
And if Kerry gets in the White House, it is strong bet he may be there for eight years. I don't know about you guys, but I do not think I can stand to look at his mug for eight years.
Hold your nose and vote Bush. Maybe we will get something positive out it. Kerry is poison. At least we will continue to have a vocal pro-RKBA Attorney General. Ashcroft's pro-RKBA stance is a sea change with regard to the Federal Governments attitude on firearms.
I think between a recession, the events of 09/11/01, the dot.com bust, the Enron type scandals, glut of illegal and cheap alien workers, outsourcing overseas, and manufacturing jobs moving overseas are the reasons for so much job loss. Bush had very little to do with it. He does not have that kind of juice.
You notice that we have an economy with a pretty robust growth, but new job growth is lagging way behind, and I think no one knows why except maybe for some of those factors I just mentioned above.
And if Kerry gets in the White House, it is strong bet he may be there for eight years. I don't know about you guys, but I do not think I can stand to look at his mug for eight years.
Hold your nose and vote Bush. Maybe we will get something positive out it. Kerry is poison. At least we will continue to have a vocal pro-RKBA Attorney General. Ashcroft's pro-RKBA stance is a sea change with regard to the Federal Governments attitude on firearms.
Even if you don't like (mistakenly) what Bush has done, look at the appointment to the Supreme Court and what that means to gun owners in the future. The next president will appoint at least 2 Supremes, who will have a lasting impact on all gun laws in the country. That, alone, is worth the price of admission.
Lone_Gunman
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I have little faith that Bush would appoint conservative judges.
moa, what has changed, in concrete real world terms, as a result of Ashcroft's opinion of the 2nd amendment?
moa, what has changed, in concrete real world terms, as a result of Ashcroft's opinion of the 2nd amendment?
Especially since conservative judges are the only real conservative position he seems to fight for publically, to the point of recess appointing them? Yeah, like I totally share that faith.
That people in general, and gun owners in particular, would even contemplate putting Senator Botox into the White House through voting Democrat or siphoning votes away from Bush via a Libertarian protest vote amazes me. Bush won Florida by less than a thousand votes with Nader picking up 97,000+. New Mexico was within one percent. Ohio, Oregon, and Wisconsin were all to the wire wins or losses by less than five percent.
"But my vote doesn't count anyways. . . ." Oh really? With that prognostication ability, why aren't these people living large in Atlantic City or Vegas? You can guess, but you will never know if your vote might be one of the handful that because of the way it was cast, tips the balance pro or con from where you'd really rather be. I'd hate to be sitting on my couch and see that Bush lost my state by one vote because I didn't vote or because I indulged myself by voting for an irrelevant fringe candidate. This is politics, conscience doesn't serve well, and ideological rigidity and orthodox purity rarely succeeds in a general election.
All I know is the more I see of sKerry, the more entusiastic for Bush I get. And with the death of the AWB all but a certainty, I am using Bush 2's re-election as the wooden stake through the AWB's heart. Four years of the AWB resting in peace without a huge uptick in semi-automatic rifle deaths will cause the AWB to be a non-starter for the rest of time. Why chance any other outcome?
Being a Texan I would have expected better from Bush, afterall he did pass ccw in texas after that drunken b@*&% Ann Richards vetoed it. But the whole gun thing and the Patriot Act have been a huge disappointment. I will vote for him I don't want Kerry as President.
Tex
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Lone_Gunman
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The AWB is not as big of an issue to me as:
Campaign Finance Reform, which Bush said was probably unconstitutional, but signed anyway, thus limiting political speech. The oath he took when he became president was to defend the Constitution, not sign laws that he thought violated it.
and
Medicare Reform, which will drastically increase the tax burden of future generations.
Kerry is a worse alternative, I am sure, and I certainly would not vote for him.
I think Bush has pushed away the conservative core of Republican voters in an attempt to draw votes from the middle.
I voted for Reagan in 1984, and I realized a few months ago that was the only time I ever voted FOR any presidet. Since then I have always voted AGAINST someone. I am through voting for the lesser of two evils. I did it in 1988, 1992, 1996, and 2000, and I just can't do it this time around.
Campaign Finance Reform, which Bush said was probably unconstitutional, but signed anyway, thus limiting political speech. The oath he took when he became president was to defend the Constitution, not sign laws that he thought violated it.
and
Medicare Reform, which will drastically increase the tax burden of future generations.
Kerry is a worse alternative, I am sure, and I certainly would not vote for him.
I think Bush has pushed away the conservative core of Republican voters in an attempt to draw votes from the middle.
I voted for Reagan in 1984, and I realized a few months ago that was the only time I ever voted FOR any presidet. Since then I have always voted AGAINST someone. I am through voting for the lesser of two evils. I did it in 1988, 1992, 1996, and 2000, and I just can't do it this time around.
Lone-Gunman asks:
"moa, what has changed, in concrete real world terms, as a result of Ashcroft's opinion of the 2nd amendment?"
Well, for one thing, you do not see Ashcroft out clamoring for extending the AWB. Same for Bush. The Congress under the Republicans apparently wil let the AWB expire.
If Clinton and Reno were still in office, you can bet things would be lot different.
"moa, what has changed, in concrete real world terms, as a result of Ashcroft's opinion of the 2nd amendment?"
Well, for one thing, you do not see Ashcroft out clamoring for extending the AWB. Same for Bush. The Congress under the Republicans apparently wil let the AWB expire.
If Clinton and Reno were still in office, you can bet things would be lot different.
Sean Smith
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Seriously, the more I learn about Kerry the more revolting I find him. He has a 100% anti-RKBA voting record... not a little bit anti-RKBA, but 100%.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/scorecard.php?inds=42
His voting record on intelligence and defense is detestable, as is his record for reflexively voting for tax increases.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/scorecard.php?inds=42
His voting record on intelligence and defense is detestable, as is his record for reflexively voting for tax increases.
Lone_Gunman
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Well, thats only kinda sorta true.
I havent heard Ashcroft comment on the AWB, but Bush is on record saying he supports it.
I agree thoroughly though that Clinton, Reno, and Kerry would definitely be working harder to get it renewed.
Malone LaVeigh
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As a voter in a non-swing state I feel I have a moral obligation to vote 3rd party. Not sure if I would feel that way if my vote really counted, but this way I at least get to send a message.
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