How to choose a lawyer... or get one when you need one

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Another thread got me thinking. The most common advice is "call a lawyer immediately" if you should ever been unfortunate enough to be involved in a CCW shooting.

Well, what if you get into a shooting but have never had any use for a lawyer and don't know any? Is this something you should think about before carrying? If so, how do you go about choosing one - just through the normal routes (asking around, looking up history and reputations, etc)? I would assume it would be a lot easier if you carried a lawyer's card in your wallet and/or had his/her number programmed in your cell phone.
 
I went out of my way to consult one of the top attorneys in the state about carry and defense in the event of a death. He has written books about interpreting our gun laws. I didn't give him a retainer, and he told me that the best way to cover his fees is to carry umbrellay liability insurance to at least pay the bulk of it. We agreed that this was good enough for now, and we would get more specific if the need arises. I carry his card and have one on my refrigerator in case it's my wife that's doing the calling.
 
not sure about ut law but as a trial attorney an insurance policy generally will not pay your attorney in the event of an sd event. insurance policies cover negligent events. an sd would be charatererized as an intentional act and the insurance company will try to deny coverage on that basis. if the insurance company accepts the case they will use their own attorney,but do not count on it. if you feel that this is an a concern save your money to pay for what is suer to be very expensive litigation
 
i am well aware of the meaning of umbrella coverage. it does not give carte blance coverage to the actions of a persons behavior. it only covers negligant acts. the insurance company will deny coverage in the event of an sd as an intended act. further the insurance company will not pay for your attoney of choice,(they hve their own either in house or on retainer) if you have undue concerns about this issue i suggest that you have sufficient funds to finance protracted litigation.however this is only 20 years of trial experiance talking. i will not advise or comment on this subject any furthur.
 
If you know any cops, judges, prosecutors, court clerks or others who have actually witnessed the sort of advocacy that any given lawyer brings to the table, then ask them who the would hire if their butt was on the line.

If not, it can be a crap shoot. And unfortunately many lawyers are better at playing the role of great attorney that they are at actually being great attorneys.
 
Read your policy, whatever it happens to be called. If you have a question ask your broker. I'm always surprised folks don't realize an insurance policy is a contract and can be negotiated, esp. when you're talking about somewhat unusual coverage such as liability for self defense shooting.

As far as selecting your attorney, ask other attorneys in the area.
 
Here's something I've written before on the subject of finding a lawyer.

I'm a lawyer, and 100% of my practice right now is in the criminal defense arena.

I don’t know a single criminal defense lawyer who operates on a “retainer” basis. I know hundreds of criminal defense lawyers, and all (that are private) seem to operate on a fee-per-case basis. Certainly, you want to have a GOOD one that you can call if you get into trouble. But it’s silly to pay a “retainer” to have the guy show up and agree to handle your case. Criminal defense attorneys leap into action AFTER there’s a problem – I would be extremely distrustful of any criminal defense attorney who demanded payment in advance to handle a case that hopefully will never happen.

Here's what I'd do to find a good criminal defense lawyer in an area. If you know any cops, ask them who they'd want to defend their wives if their wives were to be prosecuted for a self-defense shooting. If you know any attorneys (never mind that they're not criminal defense attorneys - folks know who's good in specialties different from their own, or can find out), ask them the same thing.

Referrals like this are a good thing – folks who know the difference between a good professional and a hack generally want to help other folks get the right person for the job, and they’re very happy to make these sorts of recommendations. Often, passing on the name of the person who recommended you will get you treated somewhat better because the attorney 1) has a personal relationship with that individual and wants to please them, and 2) knows that someone is keeping an eye on his handling of your case. I generally try to give folks three names of good people in a given specialty – that way they can pick one that they feel more comfortable with.

If you don't know any police or other-specialty lawyers, I'd advise you to start watching the news and papers more carefully. You'll start to notice the same several lawyers defending high-profile cases. Write down the names of three to five of them, and then talk to a cop (go in to a station and ask for five minutes of the captain's time, or go up to a couple of street officers in a doughnut shop) and ask them the question about defending their wives. Get them to rank the names and to tell you if any should just be ruled out.

This should get you three names or so. Many defense attorneys are gun guys - you could call them up and ask if this is the sort of work they do, and if you could swing by to get some of their cards for you and your friends to keep in your wallets. In doing this, you should be able to tell if each one is the kind of guy you'd want to have representing you. No reputable defense lawyer that I know would charge you for this sort of brief chat, and most will be glad to have their cards out in the world.

I've seen a lot of people advised to contact the Bar for referrals, and I would not recommend this. The Bar is staffed by nonlawyers and their referrals are generally to people who have no other qualification than they are in good standing and they have stated that they are willing to accept referrals in a given area of practice. Such recommendations do not carry the weight of genuine referrals from experienced individuals who know the reputation and abilities of the person they're referring.

The Martindale-Hubble registry is also supposed to be a good way of finding lawyers. I have not found that to be the case with regard to the criminal defense bar. Many (if not most) good criminal defense lawyers don't bother to jump through the hoops that M-H requires (M-H is really a better guide to big firms - use M-H if you need to find someone to defend an insurance company). There are certainly good (and expen$ive!) criminal defense people in M-H, but you're missing the majority of the field if you limit your search to this registry.

Again, typically, criminal defense lawyers do not work with the “retainer” system: generally they work on a flat fee basis to handle a case. You’ll want to talk to the lawyer you decide to go with, but it would be most unusual for a criminal defense lawyer to ask you to put a retainer into his trust account against future representation. Probably he’ll just tell you to call him when/if you need him. Essentially what you’re doing at this point is just finding a person who would be competent to defend you in the (admittedly highly unlikely) event that something would ever come up.

Good luck to you with it.
 
I'm always surprised folks don't realize an insurance policy is a contract and can be negotiated, esp. when you're talking about somewhat unusual coverage such as liability for self defense shooting.

Liability yes. Criminal defense no. Umbrella policies indemnify you against losses due to civil liabilities (e.g. wrongful death suits, etc.) They do not typically cover expenses due to criminal charges.
 
The SAF has a legal referral service, NRA probably does too. These are likely to be attorneys who have self-listed with those organizations for self defense or gun rights cases.
 
That's one of the first things I did after getting my CHL. I picked a local attorney who knows both criminal law and CCW law. He's been around Central OH for quite awhile and is not affiliated with any gun organizations. He also knows the judges and prosecutors, for me that's probably the most important. He wasn't cheap but he was dead honest when I had my first meeting. I hope I never need him but if I do he's one call away, 24 hrs a day.
Forgot to mention, my first meeting lasted over 2 hrs. He repeated "keep your mouth shut until you call me" at least 7 times. I got the point.
 
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