How to deal with a forcible rape?

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How to deal with a forcible rape you come across, in the street/ park/ etc?

This is not a poll question, or a clever person trying to look good!

I have been involved in stopping people attacking other people physically, and also being the legal aggressor (Ex Bouncer from Liverpool UK) now at 72 YOA, not able to intervene with a positive outcome predicted (Will win!) in a pull/kick/punch situation.

It appears the law allows a deadly force option to this situation? Does it?
 
It does where I'm at. Even statutory rape.

If I came home and my 17 year old daughter was having sex with her 19 year old (ed:th) boyfriend on the couch, accoring to the letter of the law I could shoot him. That said, I doubt I'd be able to get out from under that one in the real world no matter how good it made me feel.

My daughter wouldn't do that anyway, nor does she have a 19 year old boyfriend. :)


-T.
 
Yep, but you better be damn sure. There have been incidents of good citizens intervening in what they thought was a forcible rape, but it was really two people consensually role-playing in a park. :eek:
 
Law or no law, i think intervening is the course of action. (A simple "I'm calling the police you bastard!" while keeping him under your sights, would probably defuse the situation. And if he at that point advanced toward you, it's self defense on your part).

Besides, how are you going to shoot a guy in the act without possibly shooting the victim? (usually rapes are pretty close quarters IMO)
 
If I came home and my 17 year old daughter was having sex with her 19 boyfriend on the couch, accoring to the letter of the law I could shoot him. That said, I doubt I'd be able to get out from under that one in the real world no matter how good it made me feel.


Is that her 19 year old boyfriend or her 19 boyfriends. If the latter, you need an extra mag?

BTW, if I shot BF on the couch and got boyfriend blood and brains on the couch, my life span would be limited to the reaction time of my wife.

To be serious, an immediate shot in the scenario is foolish. You may have an ambiguous situation (that really depends) and you have two people in close proximity. Rather a loud challenge and calling the cops. Then see how it goes.
 
Is that her 19 year old boyfriend or her 19 boyfriends. If the latter, you need an extra mag?

BTW, if I shot BF on the couch and got boyfriend blood and brains on the couch, my life span would be limited to the reaction time of my wife.
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Heh heh. Funny. ;)

Problem corrected.


-T.
 
Forcible rape is a life or death situation and I cannot possibly see a jurisdiction in any state in this Union prosecuting a citizen for using deadly force to stop the assault.
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The problem stems from determining exactly what I might be witnessing. Perhaps I've just happened on a pair of exhibitionists who really get into the rough stuff.

I certainly agree with you inasmuch as deadly force is appropriate to stop a rape in progress, but I would advocate a healthy dose of prudence before going this route. And, as always, one should be familiar with deadly force laws in their particular jurisdiction.
 
Old Guy - The best thing to do is to read up on your state's penal code for the acceptable affirmative defenses for homicide.

Ascertaining the situation is always a good thing. Even if they both say that all is well, if something doesn't seem right, feel free to let the police sort things out - one of the parties might feel coerced, etc.

I'm gonna shut up now 'cause you probably know more of this situational awareness / assessment thing than I, having been a bouncer and all.
 
Brigham's plan of action seems to be the most prudent, and if I may take a short little soap-box for a moment, I heartily thank him for spelling "defuse" correctly. Defuse means just that: to take the fuse out of a potentially volatile situation. "Diffuse" means "that which is spread out" or "that which is of a low concentration."

-Sans Authoritas
 
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to the question of role players...most have the sense to stop and go hey man just playin if some stranger points a gun at them and yells stop or something to that effect.
 
Forcible rape is a life or death situation and I cannot possibly see a jurisdiction in any state in this Union prosecuting a citizen for using deadly force to stop the assault.
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Just FYI check your own codes. There's some variation in the level of sexual assault covered.

AS 11.81.335: (a) Except as provided in (b) of this section, a person may use deadly force upon another person when and to the extent
(1) the use of nondeadly force is justified under AS 11.81.330 ; and
(2) the person reasonably believes the use of deadly force is necessary for self defense against death, serious physical injury, kidnapping, sexual assault in the first degree, sexual assault in the second degree, or robbery in any degree.
 
I don't care how old and unable I am, I would stop it however I could... If that means dead me, maybe that will earn me a steak dinner in the hereafter.
 
i know its off the point but some states have a range of 3 years also meaning 19 and 17 is ok 21 and 17 isnt
 
Mek42...

I'm gonna shut up now 'cause you probably know more of this situational awareness / assessment thing than I, having been a bouncer and all.
Working on the door of a club in Liverpool in the 60s, "situational awareness/assessment? yes true, you pick that up (hope you are being serious) but the real thing you pick up...is not thinking, no time to think... thinking is too slow!

For instance, someone who is upset because you say no, he is not getting in, no not, no way! because he is p+++++ his hand movements are quick, and jerky, so handkerchief comes out of pants pocket in a snatch... he just wants to blow his nose, he is punched, and kicked, whack/whack, just like that! If you stop to think, you are stabbed. So what do you say after? to this chap sitting in the gutter? What can you say?

This is very violent? Yes it is.

The way you get hurt in this dreamt up scenario, screaming girl, violent rutting male? is getting hold of an arm, hair, whatever, of the assailant, use boots or shoes, violent massive kick to the temple (we are talking broken nosed girl, bleeding profusely) if you are CCW holder, contact shot, side of head, think of shoot through.
 
Having encountered those types of situations a few times over the last several years on business, I've found that if you have any doubt about what's going on, just ask the woman involved if she's all right. Either way, she'll let you know loud and clear.

If you've read the situation wrong and she doesn't need help all you get is embarrassed. If she and her boyfriend cop an attitude, that's too bad. They should learn to play in private. Unfortunately, in my experience when the situation is the real deal it'll be ugly enough that you won't have doubts.

Respectfully,

DarkSoldier
 
i know its off the point but some states have a range of 3 years also meaning 19 and 17 is ok 21 and 17 isnt
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That's a common misconception. The "3 year rule" is a defense in court, and not always a successful one. There isn't a law anywhere that says 3 years. In an 18 consent state, 17 and 19 is illegal. 17 and 18 is illegal.

Simple as that.


-T.
 
I've decided it would take a HECK of a lot for me to defend someone else's life. I mean imminent, obvious threat to life. Lawyers are just too darn prevalent.
 
Make sure you won't have any penetration problems into the victim, and start yanking... A sideways shot with the muzzle contacting the ear, for instance.

Or if the induhvidual is involved enough to really not notice you, pop a few shots into his inner thigh...
 
Cosmoline said:
...the person reasonably believes...
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It is worth noting that if there is any question, the task of determining if the shooter's belief was "reasonable" falls to the jury.
Thernlund said:
There isn't a law anywhere that says 3 years.
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Anywhere is pretty big. Is Colorado included in anywhere? I ask because I find this:
(1) Any actor who knowingly subjects another not his or her spouse to any sexual contact commits sexual assault on a child if the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim.
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in the Colorado Revised Statutes.
I believe that some states allow closeness in age to be used as a defense in court, and some have an actual exemption written into the law.
 
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