How to get into the industry?

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I would like to thank everybody for all the comments! I was expecting to have three or four. You guys killed it! So questions that were asked to me is what im going to college for and that is cyber defense.

Things I have taken from every post I have been able to read.
1) stay away from the ar market.
2) find niche
3) old guns and guns with less modifications and replacement parts are something to consider.
4) to remember it is a hobby dont ruin your passion for the sport.
5)get an idea of item margins
6)understand business.

This is what I was able to pick up so far. Again thank you for everyone with the constructive responses! I will do my best trying to reply to every post once I am infront of a computer and not my phone. Thanks everyone looking forward to hearing more!
 
These days, getting into the industry could mean as much as starting a Youtube channel or blog, all the way up to making your own custom firearms. As noted, you need to find an opening in a pretty crowded and competitive market. This is not meant to discourage you. Quite the opposite. I think we all recognize that getting intelligent, articulate, and responsible young men and women from your generation into the shooting industry is critical to the long term support of the Second Amendment. But running a small business, as I am sure you are aware, is not easy. You're going to have to have a vision that you believe in and can make other people believe in.

Finding openings in this regard is going to require you to be involved in the industry. You're going to have to work from the bottom up. Whether a writer for a gun magazine or a manufacturer of custom AR-15 components or whatever else, people in this industry respect experience. Joining the military then using your GI Bill to get a degree in small business management might be the place to start. Compete in 3-Gun or IDPA. Whatever it takes. The point is that you probably aren't going to find your "in" by sitting on the sidelines. You're going to have to compete in or train into it.

But your small business experience and your experience with CNC machining is a good place to start. Don't be discouraged, but understand it is going to require hard work and ingenuity, because it is a crowded marketplace.
 
I would like to thank everybody for all the comments! I was expecting to have three or four. You guys killed it! So questions that were asked to me is what im going to college for and that is cyber defense.

Things I have taken from every post I have been able to read.
1) stay away from the ar market.
2) find niche
3) old guns and guns with less modifications and replacement parts are something to consider.
4) to remember it is a hobby dont ruin your passion for the sport.
5)get an idea of item margins
6)understand business.

This is what I was able to pick up so far. Again thank you for everyone with the constructive responses! I will do my best trying to reply to every post once I am infront of a computer and not my phone. Thanks everyone looking forward to hearing more!

Cyber Defense may well be a great choice for getting a job after college but think about ways that might tie into the firearms industry if that is really where to think you want to end up. But I can tell you for a fact that I did not ever earn any money or work a single day in any of the careers I planned when I was in High School; Thank God!.
 
The best way to ruin your love for something is to turn it into a job.

+1 to that. I started building guitar amps about 14 years ago. After I had built a couple, I started building them for friends. That lasted about 4 years. And it exploded from there. After building about 30 amps (all different) over a year and a half, I was completely burned out and I haven't really touched them since. I still play and repair the ones I have and do some small things for friends, but I got so fried that it took all the joy out of it. Be very careful taking that first step. I have friends that do amps commercially and are doing well, but I had to step away from it. I've thought about getting into the gun/gunsmithing business in some way, but the amp experience has kept me from doing it.

As others have said, the easiest way in is to find an unfilled small niche and fill it. You'll probably never get rich, but it may lead to larger things.

Matt
 
Taking a hobby you do for fun and then turning it into something you NEED to do to feed your family just sucks the joy right out of it.

If you still truly want to get into this, think about what aspect - there are SO many areas (like fishing, hiking, woodworking) where you have a ton of avenues to go down and some are not related to each other and some can crossover into other avenues down the road - as in sales/marketing, or production, design, supply chain, retail, etc. Determine what you like and are good at and then go from there.
 
Learn as much as you can. You need to know the difference between patina, wear, and abuse. You need to know what parts are worth. Buying old junk and reselling valuable original vintage parts can be a viable plan, but you need to know enough to price your inventory. If you choose a niche, you need to know a lot about it.
 
I know two graduates of Trinidad JC gunsmithing program who are now heavy equipment mechanics.

If you are a good gunsmith you can make a lot of money......in a different career field. I know that money is not everything but it is something to consider when making a career choice.
 
Besides the business side of it,you're going to have to be purty durn proficient "at".....

Machining,to include fixture design.

Welding,Tig and gas(OA) mainly.

Metal forming processes and tooling design.

Wood management and manufacturing.

Spray finishes.

Take any one of the above and see how far you can take it as a money maker on an abstract level. Meaning,for instance welding...... with your machining background what would increased welding skills bring to the table? Can it be a job in itself? That sort of thinking..... gunsmithing has an extremely broad base of required skillsets.And am NOT referring to being an AR parts changer here. Heck,the wood management alone,from the list above is daunting enough..... folks usually don't have a clue of the nuisances. Just because you have a TS,and you used to watch Norm Abrams or the Woodwright don't amount to much when it comes to the complexity of wood used on firearms. Good luck.
 
I think there will always be a need for true "gunsmiths". One of the most respected gunsmiths in the country is a friend and he tells me that anytime he gets a new want to be employee that all they want to work on is Glocks and AR's. These guys are a dime a dozen. The old true smiths who can really restore a classic double barrel or make a part by hand when needed is a dying art. I might would look in that direction if I were a lot younger. Find a really good gunsmith and apprentice under him. The real restoration experts are backed up for months because there are so few out there doing real quality work. There is good money to be made. A good smith can almost name his price if his work is top notch. I pay a little more for the work I have done compared to some of the other shops around and sometimes have to wait longer as well, but I know that my gun will come back with the work done right. It is amazing to see a quality restoration when it is done by a real craftsman. Wood to metal fit, quality hand checkering and wood finishing is not something that any gunsmith is able to do. It takes years of experience and when you get to that level, the work will find you.
 
So questions that were asked to me is what im going to college for and that is cyber defense.

I know you wanted to keep this positive, but don't give up a career in cyber security for one in the gun industry. And definitely don't drop out of college to go to gunsmithig school. You will make a hell of a lot more money with a LOT less time and stress in tech than you will as a gunsmith. Money isn't everything, but it makes things a lot easier... like starting your own business.

On that note, look into a minor in business while you're in school, or an MBA when you finish up with undergrad. There's a lot more to running a business than just selecting and making a good product. And just a side note, the ATF licenses and paperwork isn't that difficult if you already run the business correctly.

You should decide what your ultimate goal of starting the business is. Do you want to be the only employee just working for yourself, do you want to have a small shop with a couple of employees, or do you want to grow the business as large as you can with multiple departments and layers of management?

If you only want to work by yourself, you need to be an expert at everything - you have to be great at designing/making whatever product you make, but you also have to be great at the business side too because your livelihood depends not only on how well you make the product, but how you control costs, logistics, suppliers, billing, marketing, customer service, and collections. The larger your business, the more you need to focus on management, costs, marketing, and logistics and the less you need to focus on the manual production side. You still need to know it obviously, but you don't have to be the best machinist because you can hire the best and let him do his thing while you run the company.

Before you put a bunch of time and money into something, put together a real business plan with a good breakdown of product costs (including depreciation on your machines, time/pay for yourself, utilities, etc) and a realistic view of competitors. Know what kind of capital you need, and don't cut it close. A lot of businesses fail because they were undercapitalized when they started. Also start working on your credit now. When banks make loans to small businesses, a large part of their decisioning process (approval/rejection and rate/terms) is based off of your personal (consumer) credit score, not just the company. It will be hard to get a loan as both a recent graduate (short credit history) and a new business, so do what you can to get the best terms possible.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that because you're the only person who makes X, you have no competition. Competitors are anything that might be used for the same purpose. For a gun related example, Sig has recently discontinued support for the p239 meaning that they don't make parts or mags anymore. If you decide to make p239 mags in 9mm, you would be the only one. But 9mm p225 A1 mags also work in the p239 (albeit with a slight gap at the baseplate unless you replace it with the p239 baseplate), so that would be one of your competitors even though no one else is making the same thing you are.

As an aside, look into making parts for the Sig p239... they're getting difficult to find. But as a recent purchaser of a p239, I'm a little biased :D

A business that might be less difficult from a startup point might be reselling gun accessories like mags, sights, parts, etc. the general buy in bulk when you can find a good deal and then sell individually at market value, making a profit. It's not as cool as designing and building your own part, or building a gun from scratch, but it is something that you can start while you're in college and scale as you have time, capital, and storage space. Most parts shouldn't be too large, but you'll want to have good organization. Make sure you also have the business correctly set up. This type of business also should require less insurance than a gun or part manufacturer.
 
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