oneshooter
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The MN has recoil? Just when did this start!
Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
How to prevent "Mosin Shoulder"
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Use the old Russian technique:
1. Take off your shirt.
2. Apply lots of cosmoline to your shoulder.
When you shoot, the cosmoline reduces friction and allows the butt to slide off your shoulder. Therefore, no pain!
This is why all the Russian guns have cosmoline in them. The cosmoline also protects your body from wind, rain, and cold. A win-win situation!
1. Take off your shirt.
2. Apply lots of cosmoline to your shoulder.
When you shoot, the cosmoline reduces friction and allows the butt to slide off your shoulder. Therefore, no pain!
This is why all the Russian guns have cosmoline in them. The cosmoline also protects your body from wind, rain, and cold. A win-win situation!
sarduy
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well i'm 6'' tall and i weight 225lb and i dont think the mosin kick a whole lot...but my 130lb girl think different.. i would recommend that you get a buttpad, i use one so my girl can have fun with the 91/30 and the m44, the only different that i can find is not recoil, but a bigger blast from the m44. any way i hope this help you.
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SpeedAKL
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Best solution: stop shooting the Mosin, fire a .458 Lott, and then go back to shooting the Mosin. Recoil won't be bad at all!
FieroCDSP
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I once was bench shooting my M44, and despite the jabbing pain in my shoulder, I continued to fire. By the time I hit 40 rounds, I was having a hard time convincing myself I wanted to work the trigger and had a nasty flinch. I shifted the gun up a bit more in my shoulder and it was fine from then on. Had a bruise for a week.
The info on this thread is great, so other than my story of shock-therapy, I can't really add anything. Except maybe "Love your Mosin"
The info on this thread is great, so other than my story of shock-therapy, I can't really add anything. Except maybe "Love your Mosin"
We make a muzzlebrake for the M44 that tames the recoil. As an added bonus it also keeps annoying people from sitting next to you at the range We'll be doing a step-by-step M44 overhaul this next week and will have some good pics and video footage of what ways there are to make the M44 easier to shoot.
We'll be doing a step-by-step M44 overhaul this next week and will have some good pics and video footage of what ways there are to make the M44 easier to shoot.crazed_ss
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I must be a wuss.. I took my 1891/30 and M1 Garand to the range last week. I brought 40 rounds for the Mosin. I fired 10 rounds out of it and I was ready to quit on that thing. After 20 rounds, I was wincing in pain. I gave up. Shooting the gun was a chore. On top of the pain, it was not very accurate at all.. like 9" groups at 50yds
I dont know what the deal with the Mosin Nagant is, but the rifle is punishing. The coolest thing about it is the noise.Conversely, I fired 12 clips out of M1 and I felt like I could have kept shooting it indefinitely. I wish I had brought more ammo. The M1 was also a more rewarding experience since the rounds were actually impacting where I was aiming.
OMGWTFBBQ
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Well, the auto loading mechanism takes out some of the recoil, it is .7lbs heavier, and the stock design is more ergonomic(to me, atleast, the Mosin seems awkward).
Another thing to consider about the Mosin's kick is that it was designed to be fired by someone wearing something a little more substantial than a t shirt.
I love to shoot my Mosin's!
Except the first time I brought out the 91/30. Got the target in sight and I moved head just a little bit and pulled the trigger.
The butt of the rifle flew up and socked me right in the jaw. Ouch. A good cheek weld from now on. LOL.
Gotta love the fireball out of the M44 or the M38.
Except the first time I brought out the 91/30. Got the target in sight and I moved head just a little bit and pulled the trigger.
The butt of the rifle flew up and socked me right in the jaw. Ouch. A good cheek weld from now on. LOL.
Gotta love the fireball out of the M44 or the M38.
lvcat2004
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I like the recoil....it makes my several thousand round stash from dwindling down too much.
I just bought myself a 91/30 las week and I'd have to see how it compares to the m44 I have, which I think is not that bad.
I just bought myself a 91/30 las week and I'd have to see how it compares to the m44 I have, which I think is not that bad.
jrfoxx
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I put a cheap $5-10 slip on recoil pad on mine, and could shoot it all day with no issues now, and I'm pretty small, skinny, and have boney shoulder, so they really can work wonders for dirt cheap. Neat part is, I can switch it to any other gun I want in like 30 seconds if I want to use it on my 30-06 or similar harder recoiling gun. Only adds like 1", MAYBE 2" to the LOP, so not really biggie unless you are already pretyy borderline in that department.
Franco2shoot
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Not right
Crazed SS,
If you can only manage 9 inch groups @ 50 yards with your 91/30 something's not right. The bore would have to be totally wasted, or the Tang screw and maybe the magazine screw are loose. (tighten both and use thread lock - the blue kind)
Mine keeps getting better and better with minor improvements like cork bedding up under the front most barrel ring, and the latest which is the Electrolysis barrel cleaner. (See Mosin User Thread).
As for recoil, remember those peasants were probably wearing fairly heavy clothing. I fire mine from both bench as well as other positions but always have worn a heavy jacket and can tell you that from my experience my .308 has greater recoil.
KKKKFL
Crazed SS,
If you can only manage 9 inch groups @ 50 yards with your 91/30 something's not right. The bore would have to be totally wasted, or the Tang screw and maybe the magazine screw are loose. (tighten both and use thread lock - the blue kind)
Mine keeps getting better and better with minor improvements like cork bedding up under the front most barrel ring, and the latest which is the Electrolysis barrel cleaner. (See Mosin User Thread).
As for recoil, remember those peasants were probably wearing fairly heavy clothing. I fire mine from both bench as well as other positions but always have worn a heavy jacket and can tell you that from my experience my .308 has greater recoil.
KKKKFL
Buy a 1022 just kidding. My first rifle was a M38 my soninlaw and i would take a 300 round can of ammo and a can opener to the range and shoot the whole thing. Talk about a black and blue arm the next day. We were shooting four cans a month. After a while we learned to hold the rifle with a firm grasp with both hands and and pull the rifle tight into your shoulder doing this along developing a good cheek weld our bodies would roll with the recoil instead of the rifle slapping our shoulders. These days i use a slip-on pad not for the recoil i like the added length to the stock. You can buy a Lee anniversary kit and start reloading most starting loads have about half the recoil of surplus ammo and are more accurate. I also have practice load of 10gr Unique or 13gr Red Dot with a 150gr bullet that has almost no recoil. As mentioned getting off the bench and shooting with a sling in prone, offhand, and kneeling positions can help and is a lot of fun to do.
Mike
Mike
aka108
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Get a PAST recoil pad that you wear on you sholder as mentioned earlier. Midway has them. You can shoot anything all day long and be comfortable and it can be worn under your shirt in the event you think your shooting buddies might think your a wuss. Love mine and had it for 20 yrs.
SimpleIsGood229
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Comrade, Moseen recoil eese nahthing! Eese nahthing for skeeny, Soviet peasant, so mahst be nahthing for lahrge Amereecahn, no? Seempley square body to targeet (preferably Fasceests), mount Moseen to shoulder een proper manner*, sqeese treeger, keel Fasceest. Eese seemple, comrade! Moseen bulleet make Fasceest, gude Fasceest! 
*Correctly mounting a Mosin is paramount to preserving your shoulder ligaments. Tuck the buttplate below your collar bone, on the ''meat.'' Your actual shoulder, as such, has nothing to do with this. Lean forward in an aggressive stance, somewhat square to the target. If done properly, you can shoot a Mosin all day long this way.
*Correctly mounting a Mosin is paramount to preserving your shoulder ligaments. Tuck the buttplate below your collar bone, on the ''meat.'' Your actual shoulder, as such, has nothing to do with this. Lean forward in an aggressive stance, somewhat square to the target. If done properly, you can shoot a Mosin all day long this way.
K3
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Compared to the .375H&H, the Mosin is a puttytat.
Weak, decadent imperialist swine.
Part of the Mosin's problem is the ssurface area of the buttplate. It is smaller than your average remchester, thus the punch from the recoil is distributed over a smaller area.
Weak, decadent imperialist swine.
Part of the Mosin's problem is the ssurface area of the buttplate. It is smaller than your average remchester, thus the punch from the recoil is distributed over a smaller area.
kBob
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I suspect that compared to the 14.5mm Anti Tank Rifles of WWII the SOviets used the Mosin has little recoil.
My first round from a Mosin, an M44, was fired from a good solid kneeling position. I thought the recoil was "brisk." Then I felt something tapping the back of my shoulder.
One of the on lookers had come up to ask if I was OK. Seems the combination of the sweat flying out of my hair like in one of those boxing knock out shots, the dust popping out of my shirt, and the fireball and blast of the Mosin made the guy think the gun had exploded!
Anyhow my suggestion, though I have yet to try it, is to reload your own ammo and go for "midrange" loads of less velocity and pressure. This may allow you to develope better shooting skill with the rifle without beating yourself to death or going deaf and allow you in the future to better handle full house loads.
Just a thought.
-Bob Hollingsworth
My first round from a Mosin, an M44, was fired from a good solid kneeling position. I thought the recoil was "brisk." Then I felt something tapping the back of my shoulder.
One of the on lookers had come up to ask if I was OK. Seems the combination of the sweat flying out of my hair like in one of those boxing knock out shots, the dust popping out of my shirt, and the fireball and blast of the Mosin made the guy think the gun had exploded!
Anyhow my suggestion, though I have yet to try it, is to reload your own ammo and go for "midrange" loads of less velocity and pressure. This may allow you to develope better shooting skill with the rifle without beating yourself to death or going deaf and allow you in the future to better handle full house loads.
Just a thought.
-Bob Hollingsworth
ColinthePilot
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I didn't read the whole thread, cuz i've figured out my own technique that works flawlessly.
1. don't shoot from the bench. I always shoot from the standing position.
2. Shoot light ball.
3. Get a proper Mosin Nagant sling, rig it up for you as a shooting sling. I have mine set up perfectly so that the rifle is held tightly into my chest (not really the shoulder) by my left hand pulling back on the stock, and left arm pulling left with the sling. right arm is almost totally relaxed so pulling the trigger is unaffected by trying to pull the rifle in.
Before I figured this out, I had a nasty bruise on my shoulder for a week after 20 rds. Now I'll go through 100+ in one day at the range, and not even feel it. The flinch went away when it stopped hurting, too.
but the car alarms are still startled every time i fire.
1. don't shoot from the bench. I always shoot from the standing position.
2. Shoot light ball.
3. Get a proper Mosin Nagant sling, rig it up for you as a shooting sling. I have mine set up perfectly so that the rifle is held tightly into my chest (not really the shoulder) by my left hand pulling back on the stock, and left arm pulling left with the sling. right arm is almost totally relaxed so pulling the trigger is unaffected by trying to pull the rifle in.
Before I figured this out, I had a nasty bruise on my shoulder for a week after 20 rds. Now I'll go through 100+ in one day at the range, and not even feel it. The flinch went away when it stopped hurting, too.
but the car alarms are still startled every time i fire.
Colinthepilot, Have tried using your mosin sling like a GI web sling taking the sling off the rear dog collar and looping on your arm works great. http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm
Mike
Mike
I put an inexpensive (<$10) slip-on pad on my M-44, looks very much like the one in sarduy's post.
Another method...have a Shootin' Budd blast away while you watch...
Somehow, I think that is how the Soviet cooks tenderized meat for the troops...put a slab between Mosin buttplate & shoulder...BLAM!
Another method...have a Shootin' Budd blast away while you watch...
Somehow, I think that is how the Soviet cooks tenderized meat for the troops...put a slab between Mosin buttplate & shoulder...BLAM!
researchdoc
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I had the same to happen to me with my M38.
I lift weights and @ 5'10" tall have a size 50 coat. So I have enough between the butt and the bone.. needless to say... after about 50 rounds, I was worried about blood clotting! It was black and blue for weeks there. I put on a Pachmeyer butt pad and now shoot standing.. no more bench resting without a butt pad and a PAST shoulder pad. Haven't had a bruise or sore shoulder since.. even after shooting 100 rounds per session.
Anyone saying that the recoil is only perceived .. must not be bench resting.
Man... I love the Mosin........
I lift weights and @ 5'10" tall have a size 50 coat. So I have enough between the butt and the bone.. needless to say... after about 50 rounds, I was worried about blood clotting! It was black and blue for weeks there. I put on a Pachmeyer butt pad and now shoot standing.. no more bench resting without a butt pad and a PAST shoulder pad. Haven't had a bruise or sore shoulder since.. even after shooting 100 rounds per session.
Anyone saying that the recoil is only perceived .. must not be bench resting.
Man... I love the Mosin........
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