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How are the new laws in some places going to affect us as reloaders and owners of older ammunition?
Most of the laws I have read about make it illegal to possess ammunition that isn't serialized after a certain time.
What about reloading?
What are the manufacturers doing about this trend? Surely this will affect the bullet manufacturers.
I haven't seen much on this topic but these laws are being proposed and passed, so what will we do, and what is being done?
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Well at the moment it's just California, so most ammo manufacturers will simply ignore that state.

Eventually, if it keeps spreading, it will get to a point where ammo makers will have to decide whether to play along or simply rework their business model to make them only a LE and Military supplier, effectively killing the civilian ammo market.

And that of course is the real purpose of these laws, not to "solve crime".
 
Well at the moment it's just California, so most ammo manufacturers will simply ignore that state.

Eventually, if it keeps spreading, it will get to a point where ammo makers will have to decide whether to play along or simply rework their business model to make them only a LE and Military supplier, effectively killing the civilian ammo market.

And that of course is the real purpose of these laws, not to "solve crime".
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Isn't the Kali law different than the ones that popped up simultaneously in several states? Ross is the 'inventors' name I think.
 
One big effect I see is that it would effectively shut down ammunition production for the U.S. civilian market worldwide, at a time when ammunition manufacturers already are struggling to meet demand, in order for their production lines to be rearranged to make ammunition trackable on a which-bullet-in-which-box way instead of in huge lots. And it's an open question as to whether foreign manufacturers like Wolf would be able to jump through the appropriate hoops.

I'm picturing $50-a-box plinking ammo, for years to come...and that's not even factoring in panic buying/hoarding that would inevitably result.

Make no mistake, the objective of this has little to do with fighting crime, and everything to do with pricing ammunition out of the reach of working-class peons.
 
Isn't the Kali law different than the ones that popped up simultaneously in several states?
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Yeah you are right, my bad.

There's a ton of different versions; bullet coding, brass coding, firing pin coding, they all end up at the same place.

Technically yeah I guess the California one is for guns not ammo, but the destination is the same,
 
Some wag recently commented that the 1st Amendment protects free speech, although verbs may still be prohibited.

Same idea.
 
Yeah you are right, my bad.

There's a ton of different versions; bullet coding, brass coding, firing pin coding, they all end up at the same place.

Technically yeah I guess the California one is for guns not ammo, but the destination is the same,
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Yeah, I thought the DPRK one was for brass used in semi-auto pistols.

The 'Blitzkrieg' of bills in multiple states was via ammunitionaccountability.org IIRC, and they called for coding the actual bullet. This one seemd to me more of an attempted money grab by the whiz kid that came up with it than anything, though it would be highly effective for the purposes of the hardcore anti.

You are right though, the destination is exactly the same. Price 99% of people right out of shooting. Voila, the sheep are almost disarmed.
 
It isn't just Cali-Hawaii just voted down a bullet serialization measure that came before the legislature according to the NRA-ILA
 
if the process is as cheap as the inventor says it is (only a few cents per 50 rounds), then it wont hurt the market in the long run, although requiring that ammo companies purchase the machines will probably break their wallet a fair bit. If so, then this is just another backdoor attempt at gun registration

if it is as expensive as originally thought, then ammo prices will pretty much double. This wont keep us from guns, but it will pretty much make it too expensive to practice at the range. If it is too expensive, then the civilian ammo market will cease to be, something the rich-boy politicians and the like would surely love.

However, most of these bills have been killed pretty badly. California is the only one that passed, and there was a bunch of bogus politics behind it. The next threat is the bill for NY, and one for Hawaii
 
It is just one more attempt at forcing gun owners to give up shooting.

It won't affect criminals; they will simply scratch off the serial number before murdering someone.
 
CT is Next

if the process is as cheap as the inventor says it is (only a few cents per 50 rounds), then it wont hurt the market in the long run, although requiring that ammo companies purchase the machines will probably break their wallet a fair bit. If so, then this is just another backdoor attempt at gun registration

if it is as expensive as originally thought, then ammo prices will pretty much double. This wont keep us from guns, but it will pretty much make it too expensive to practice at the range. If it is too expensive, then the civilian ammo market will cease to be, something the rich-boy politicians and the like would surely love.

However, most of these bills have been killed pretty badly. California is the only one that passed, and there was a bunch of bogus politics behind it. The next threat is the bill for NY, and one for Hawaii
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The patent holder (Russ Ford) of the ammo encoding technology is the one who has been travelling around trying to get this legislation passed. He admitted in an interview with Cam dwards that he "has no idea of the financial parameters", as was born out when the ammo reps testified here in Maryland as to the actual costs of trying to implement this legislation. is cost estimates are way off and are not based on actual production scenarios.

Federal testified in Maryland that they spend about $4M in capital costs annually, and the cost just to TRY to start complying with this legislation would be about $10M in capital expenses; so 2.5 years of capital expenditure, just to see if they could do it. A little different than Ford's myopic and uninformed view, wouldn't you agree?

This legislation has been killed in Hawaii, Washington, and here in Maryland - guess CT bill is up next week. Cmon all you guys and gals in Connecticut, get on your reps about this piece of crap bill.
 
Been discussed extensively already on the board.

Basically this is a way for a single company to get a lot of legislators to act as an unpaid sales force for an unproven, untested, non-budgeted inherently insecure technology.

Oh and don't forget that the company expects a royalty PER round as well as sales for the equipment.......

Ain't capitalism great.....:cool:
 
Basically this is a way for a single company to get a lot of legislators to act as an unpaid sales force for an unproven, untested, non-budgeted inherently insecure technology.
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If it ever works, it would be an incredible business model. Unethical, but probably extremely profitable.
 
wouldn't you agree?
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yes I do. Quite sad after he said "it would only cost about a single cent to encode about a dozen bullets." That led me to believe that he would charge a ridiculous amount for the machines along with a ball-breaking royalty per box instead of the round (since per box would be easier). Either way, he's a greedy prick. And either way, it will only cost an average-IQ crook about five bucks for a filer while it costs us our hobby and our rights.

However, with guns being so much more popular nowadays, I'm hoping that we wont have to ever worry about it.

also, lets be honest: ethics and politics...they dont go together
 
It's not going to affect me because I refuse to play on this one.

I've got a substantial amount of ammo stockpiled and if any of this bs passes I'll stock up on casting equipment as well.
 
It's not going to affect me because I refuse to play on this one.

I've got a substantial amount of ammo stockpiled and if any of this bs passes I'll stock up on casting equipment as well.
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Then according to all these bills you would be a felon going to jail for a long time if you got caught. The master copy of all these bills specifies to turn in all existing ammo uncompensated and reloads illegal. No grandfathering just out and out property seizure.
 
Perhaps we should also consider the effect such a law might have on the legislators that passed it if a substantial number of voters in their districts discovered that they could no longer purchase ammunition for their handguns, or that which they could purchase have become too expensive.

Relatively few gun owners have firearms classified as “assault weapons” by the Democrats. But when then president Bill Clinton decided to push for restrictions and bans back in 1994 the party lost control of both the House and Senate – which they had held for decades. Clinton later admitted in a book that the war over gun rights and not proven to be productive for the Democrats, as it had contributed toward the loss of a number of elections, including two for president.

Of course the most radical members of the party never learn, even though it has cost them plenty. Given the number of handgun owners in this country their latest efforts may likely boomerang.

California of course is an exception to all rules. But if the law they passed does go into effect in 2010, and ammunition or gun shipments to that state are suspended, certain politicians that thought up the idea may wish they hadn’t, if they are still in office. :evil: :scrutiny:
 
Hopefully this get nipped in the bud.

An argument (flawed actually) I saw on NRA-ILA was that the owner of the ammo would have no assurance that the numbered bullets in his box match the label on his box which is entered in big brother's database. The real threat is that someone else's box contains bullets that mistakenly match the label on his box. And that someone may be a multi-platinum hip-hop artist.

And law enforcement needs training ammo; would they want to shoulder the added manufacturing costs, all for BS reasons, when their budgets are strained enough right now?
 
Here's the fly in the ointment - the marks are inside the case. There is no way to check if ammunition is lawful without destroying it. So, anytime there is a question, LE simply destroys all your ammo "checking" it... na matter if you are innocent or not.
This bill is DOA in AZ.
 
As has been stated before, it amounts to domestic disarmament on the not-so-sly.

Direct threats to individual liberty require determination, courage, and decisive action.
 
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