How will bullet serialization affect us...

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If you look at the bright side, though, criminals won't use ammunition that has not been properly serialized because that would be a violation of the law.
 
Here in KY this was just proposed recently and then quickly withdrawn.
It was to take affect 1 Jan 09. Hoarding/stockpiling was anticipated & addressed in the proposal by making ALL ammunition without serialization illegal to own after 1 Jan 2011.
Additionally there was an increased tax componant to cover the enforcement of the program. This aspect makes ammo purchasers their own worst enemies.
 
In california the environmentalists would love this, as i believe the engraving method only works on copper althought ive not seen much on the technology.

the machines are expensive, and most of the small ammo companies would be put out of business over night. Say buffalo Bore should be ok to survive, but specialty rifle ammo like "the hunting shack" and probably Georgia Arms would be DOA.

The companies that could afford to get the machines would pretty much have to stop making non US GOV/LEO ammunition untill they could recoup the losses incured from getting the engraving equipment.
 
The effect on us, the shooters? How about virtually shutting down the shooting sports overnight?

In order for the bill to suceed at all in its premise, all un-encoded ammo must be taken out of circulation, and the means of making more un-encoded ammo must be removed as well.

Many of these bills include passages specifically saying that all reloading is prohibited and all unencoded ammo and components are to be made illegal contraband after a very short date. No milsurp. No hoarding. No reloading. Everybody got to pay and pay, and do you thin that prices will be kept LOW because we can't reload anymore? That's one of the reasons why there is WWB and UMC and Wolf ammo at all!

How would you like to sell your Dillon for scrap iron? Or you could let the police seize it and destroy it for you... Same with bullet casting.

In fact, if this is taken to the next logical progression, they could require you to buy only one box of ammo at a time and police up every shell and turn in 50 empties to be allowed to buy 50 new rounds of ammo.

The insidious thing is, even if it was legal to own those items before the bill passed, once they declare it illegal contraband they don't have to compensate ANYONE, period.

It's not about the GUN it's about the CONTROL. Remember that.
 
Have any of the new bills actually passed?

If they haven't, they won't affect you.

AFAIK, many have been shot down early on.
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It's good that so far, the idiocy has been pretty apparent.

However, I disgree that such laws (even in another state, even unpassed) don't affect those elsewhere.

Their mere existence will lead some people to believe that there is a "good reason" for "giving bullets fingerprints" (or whatever catchphrase becomes popular), and that "only those NRA goons are stopping this crime-fighting measure." (Again, fill in your own hypothetical quotation :)).

timothy
 
Then according to all these bills you would be a felon going to jail for a long time if you got caught. The master copy of all these bills specifies to turn in all existing ammo uncompensated and reloads illegal. No grandfathering just out and out property seizure.
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Then lets all be felons. They will run out of prison space and the law will be revoked.

Time for the people to take a stand IMO.
 
It's good that so far, the idiocy has been pretty apparent.

However, I disgree that such laws (even in another state, even unpassed) don't affect those elsewhere.

Their mere existence will lead some people to believe that there is a "good reason" for "giving bullets fingerprints" (or whatever catchphrase becomes popular), and that "only those NRA goons are stopping this crime-fighting measure." (Again, fill in your own hypothetical quotation ).

timothy
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Quit peein' on my Cheerios. I'm trying to stay positive. :)
 
The only way to check that everyone is compliant is to use a bullet puller on EVERY cartridge, so I would not be surprised when the cops pull everyone over at the gun range and pull bullets out in order to check for legal compliance. Then you get different legal repercussions happening.
 
Then according to all these bills you would be a felon going to jail for a long time if you got caught. The master copy of all these bills specifies to turn in all existing ammo uncompensated and reloads illegal. No grandfathering just out and out property seizure.
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I recall a thread here mentioning that the guy and his merry band of legislators and lobbyists are realizing that the disposal clause ain't gonna fly and that they are removing it. In fact, I think it was a reply from Ford to an inquiry by a THR member.

I wish I could find it, but my google-fu is weak.
 
Well, all of these bills put forth cost the drafters none of their own money, but cost a lot for the pro-gun and pro-ammo lobbys to suppress. Those fees are passed along to consumers.

Also, the practicality of stamping ammo and the paperwork involved would just be nightmarish. Consider how many individual bullets you shoot and then accounting for each one.

It's just an end around to stop gun ownership by making it too expensive or too much of a pain in the butt.

The irony is that it only hurts the law abiding citizens who like to do it for enjoyment or sport or self defense and like to practice to be safe.

Gang-bangers don't practice so it has little effect.
 
Quit peein' on my Cheerios. I'm trying to stay positive.
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Jes sayin' :)

I do hope you're right about such measures, anyhow. Just ... I find it hard to be other than worried that people who are well-intentioned (which I'll be positive and say is the same as "most people, most of the time") along with people who are greedy (people like the inventor of these sham schemes) and people who are some combination of stupid and mendacious (elected officials in state and local legislatures and executive branches) will end up passing laws that forbid or make prohibitively expensive all ammo.

What about shotgun pellets? I better start inventing a tyrannical pellet-marking device to make sure those pellets are all serialized ...

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timothy
 
So what's the correct way to file the serial off a bullet. Sounds dangerous ;) maybe now's a good time to learn to make ammo in "spare" time.

Hehe.
 
http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/02...nition-ban.html

So far 10 States have bills that want to enact ammo serialization.

It turns out that two Seattleites stand to make a hefty profit if the legislation goes through...

Ravensforge inventors of record are Mr Steve Mace of Seattle, Washington and Mr Russel H Ford also of Seattle.

As if by magic they have a patent pending for this magical system

(Ravensforge is connected to the microstamping technology that California bought into recently.)

It is very interesting to see that as part of their About Us mission statement they boldly state that the implementation requires legislation.

Interestingly enough they also intend to charge a licensing fee for EVERY bullet sold as well.....

Read the rest at Dustin's Gun Blog
 
Bullet check.

Several years ago an Illinois DRR cop required me to open every .410 shell I had on my person and in my vehicle because they were reloads and he stated that he was checking for illegal size shot....He was looking for "OO" buck,and I was shooting #4 shot,he did not accept the fact that those on my person were legal until he had me open those in my car....I complained to his supervisor and was reimbursed for my loss...It still p****d me off as he ruined a nice day for bushy tails.
 
benEzra said:

Make no mistake, the objective of this has little to do with fighting crime, and everything to do with pricing ammunition out of the reach of working-class peons.

George Orwell says (Author of 1984):

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.

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Somehow...I think the two of them have reached the same conclusion. I certainly know that I agree with both of them.

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the bad thing is that...most of the politicians supporting it probably see how stupid it is, but they know that the huge influx of money Ford will receive from a nationwide mandate of use of his technology would ensure that Ford's little helpers would get a huge sum of money for campaigns to come. That is really the problem here: planned bribery, even if its not technically true.

It's about money for Ford, and money for antis.
 
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