(Howard Dean) Trying to play the Jesus card

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Trying to play the Jesus card
By Wesley Pruden
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2005/04/18/Commentary/Trying.To.Play.The.Jesus.Card-928543.shtml

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Howard Dean, the chief screamer and chairman of the Democratic National Committee, thinks he has the formula for a Democratic revival:

Jesus, guns and balanced budgets.

He told Arkansas newspaper columnist John Brummett on the eve of a meeting of state chairmen in Little Rock that he wants Democrats to speak up for "values."

"We need to talk about Christian values and how they're Democratic values," he said. "Jesus taught to help the least among us. He spent his life reaching out to the disenfranchised. The Democratic Party is the party of that value, not the Republican Party."

His proposition was once at least arguable, and he found a ripe target for one needling remark: "I was a governor who balanced eight budgets in a row, which is eight more than the Republicans, and I was a governor who was endorsed every year by the National Rifle Association."

But he's also the governor who, trying to sound like a tent-revival Democrat, boasted that his favorite New Testament book was the Book of Job, which would have amused Job himself, being a nice Jewish boy whose manifold afflictions were set out in the Old Testament. Little Howard was not the attentive Sunday school boy he should have been.

Nevertheless, we take heart when and where we can, and the Lord loves a cheerfully serious penitent. If Howard Dean can point the Democrats to a sawdust trail that leads to the old-time religion, well, huzzah and hallelujah. But he must take his lunch to the task, because it's likely to be an all-day job.

A remarkable three-part series by Julia Duin in The Washington Times sets out the furious secular campaign against the very idea of religious values, mocking in particular the faith of Christians. It's the staunchest of Democratic Party allies who are leading the attack. Many Christians, and many Americans of other persuasions or of no faith at all, see the threat to cut the national culture loose from its Judeo-Christian roots as aggressive, virulent and growing.

Leading the assault are the American Civil Liberties Union, which has never met a sordid cause it couldn't embrace, and advocacy groups called Americans United for Separation of Church and State and People for the American Way. Their stated goal is a naked public square, devoid of all evidence of the nation's identification with the worship of God, and ultimately a nation remade in the image of man. Their complaints against the faithful descend into the petty and spiteful; one group of litigious atheists even sued to prevent the football team at the University of Wisconsin from pre-game prayer in their locker room, well out of sight of atheists and others whose delicate psyches may have been vulnerable in the stands.

The skeptics have adopted Thomas Jefferson as their patron saint, citing him, correctly, as the author of the idea of a wall between church and state. The phrase, "separation of church and state," does not appear in the Constitution, but was taken from Jefferson's famous letter to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut, in which he told them that he contemplated "with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and state."

Jefferson actually wrote to the Baptists, for whom separation of church and state has always been an article of strongly held conviction, to persuade them that a state-established church -- such as the Congregational or the Anglican in several states -- would not harm their own beliefs. On another occasion, Jefferson said that "it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

But merely to speak of God, and particularly to speak of Jesus Christ, sets atheist hair, where there is any, afire. Mocking faith, and particularly the faith of Christians, has become the sport of secularists. Writes Los Angeles Times columnist Burt Prelutsky, who takes pains to identify himself as a Jew: "Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society -- it's been replaced by a rampant anti-Christianity."

The bad news for Howard Dean and the Democrats is that the anti-Christian soldiers are nearly all Democrats. If he wants to teach Democrats to sing hymns to red-state "values," he'll have to tell some of his allies to stifle themselves, and learn the words himself before he strikes up the band.
 
The new democratic strategy - lie more than usual, in fact, lie like there's no tomorrow!
 
He is a typical Democrat with no beliefs and no values whatsoever. He simply tries to tell everybody what they want to hear at the moment. Next day, 100 miles down the road, he'll have a totally different speech if it suits his fancy and he thinks it will garner his party a few votes.

Well, that's not entirely true. One core belief they have is that they want total control over every facet of your life, especially your money to pass out to their pals and to buy more votes.
 
What do you mean lie?
I mean that the leaders of the democratic party are anti-religous, anti-gun zealots who are cynically trying to paint themselves as something their not to get votes.
 
I mean that the leaders of the democratic party are anti-religous, anti-gun zealots who are cynically trying to paint themselves as something their not to get votes.

Uhm. Dean is the chair of the DNC last I recalled. If I remember correctly, he was endorsed by the NRA. I don't remember his entire track record off the top of my head, but I remember Kerry 'slammed' Dean a couple times for not supporting gun control (enough?). While Dean might not want to scrap all gun laws, he's not bad for a major Democrat. I'd say he's no worse than Bush Jr on gun issues. ;) I can't remember Dean being especially anti-religion either.

So, how is the guy lying?
 
So, how is the guy lying?
First, Vermont had a very strong pro-RKBA court ruling, so Dean couldn't have done anything anti-gun, like I'm sure he wanted to.

Next, he is the DNC chair, and he's talking for the organization as a whole. An organization which is radically anti-religous and anti-gun, and is well known to be such.
 
Rebar,

Dean is moderate on guns, much like GWB. He is encouraging other Democrats to be moderate on guns, and not push for new gun control measures. He is doing this because he has realized that gun control is a losing issue for the Democrats politically.

This is exactly what we as members of the pro-gun community should want.
 
The Dems don't have the "Jesus card" in their hand to play.

He is encouraging other Democrats to be moderate on guns
No, he's encouraging them to be silent about their anti-gun rights and anti-religious values beliefs until such time as they may be back in the majority.
 
No, he's encouraging them to be silent about their anti-gun rights and anti-religious values beliefs until such time as they may be back in the majority.
Bingo.
 
Although Dean is a liberal in some ways, he has always been very independent. He is pro law enforcement, for example. I think if you check Dean's actual record, you'll find he has traditional personal values on religion, gun control, and law enforcement, and he's held those beliefs for a long time. Last year he took alot of heat for saying the Democratic party needs to appeal to Nascar fans with confederate flags on their cars (paraphrase).
The thing is, he was basically saying the same thing Zell Miller said in 1991.
 
For sheer absurdity, Dean’s transparent attempt to pander to southern Christians rivals the efforts of Michael Dukakis to ingratiate himself to patriotic Americans by riding around in an M-1 tank. Despite his profuse platitudes Dean, a Congregationalist (when he does attend church at all), hardly qualifies to be keynote speaker at the next Southern Baptist general convention. Christians in the South (as well as throughout America) have come a long way since the days when Jimmy Carter could appeal to them on the basis that he was a devout Christian and Baptist, only to embrace every liberal, anti-Christian cause (along with virtually every atheistic dictator in the world), once in office. Likewise Bill Clinton, when he wasn't carrying around a Koran for photo-op purposes, claimed to be a good Baptist as well. Somehow, that shoe didn’t fit. Perhaps Dean should do a photo session complete with a Bible and a bowl of grits (Confederate flags haven’t worked too well for him in the past), in case some are slow to get the message.
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=2066
 
Wasn't it Dean who in a speech during the campaign in the South said, "We can't be so fixated on God, Guns, and Gays!"

For those who are defending him, he is playing you like a fiddle. :scrutiny:
 
Right...Dean, this devout Christian who has said his favorite *New Testament* book is Job...

Dean..the devout Christian who quit his church in a dispute over...a bike path...

:rolleyes:

You can just hear some Democatic party strategist saying through clenched teeth: "If we could only find the right combination of words to say...just the right combination of sound bites...we'd be back..."

It's as if the Democrats looking for a magic incantation at this point.
 
"We need to talk about Christian values and how they're Democratic values," he said. "Jesus taught to help the least among us. He spent his life reaching out to the disenfranchised. The Democratic Party is the party of that value, not the Republican Party."



WRONG! Jesus said, "Remember the Ten Commandments, and keep them holy." One of those commandments is "thou shalt not steal." Period. No weasel words. No "Thou shalt not steal, unless thou art a government employee." No "Thou shalt not steal, unless thy be a majority, and can get the government to do thy stealing for you." No "Thou shalt not steal, unless thy takes less than 50%, in which case it shalt be called "taxation" and "economic redistribution"". That one commandment puts the entire Taxocrat liberal socialist agenda squarely at odds with the words of the Christ. If you want to help the poor, USE YOUR OWN MONEY - (Lord knows, Ted Kennedy has enough bootlegging and mafia movie money left in the trust fund...) - DON'T STEAL SOMEONE ELSES TO DO IT, (even if it's done under the authority of the gubbamint!)
 
He's a politician and his lips are moving; therefore there's a good chance he's lying.

Bwahaha! Yep. I suppose that's true for almost all politicians since the Roman Empire.


Wasn't it Dean who in a speech during the campaign in the South said, "We can't be so fixated on God, Guns, and Gays!"

For those who are defending him, he is playing you like a fiddle

So, uhm, we shouldn't promote 2nd Amendment amoung Democrats? :confused:

The Republican Party has nearly a monopoly on all branches of government. WH, Congress and soon all the courts. Kindly explain to me why current gun control laws aren't being gutted like a fish?

Plenty of Democrats are Christians. I'd say probably the majority are Christians. Just because the Democratic Party generally doesn't want the government to support coercive religion does not make them anti-religion. Are there some anti-religious loonies in the Democratic Party? Sure. But they are not the majority.
 
Are there some anti-religious loonies in the Democratic Party? Sure. But they are not the majority.
Perhaps not, but they are in control of the party.
 
RichYoung beat me to it.

The Democrats like to liken themselves as Jesus helping the poor, yet they don't understand that Jesus didn't steal from others to give to the poor. The concept of free will to make self sacrifices to help others completely escapes people like Dean. Jesus didn't force people to help others, he asked them to.
 
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