HUNTERS: If the Brady Campaign doesn't stop you from hunting...

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...maybe a myocardial infarction will :neener:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070817/hl_nm/deer_risk_dc

Deer hunting may put men's hearts at risk

Fri Aug 17, 2:27 PM ET

Deer hunting could be a dangerous endeavor for men with heart disease or risk factors for it, research findings suggest.

In a study of 25 middle-aged male deer hunters, researchers found that the activities inherent to hunting -- like walking over rough terrain, shooting an animal and dragging its carcass -- sent the men's heart rates up significantly.

In some cases, this led to potentially dangerous heart-rhythm disturbances, or diminished oxygen supply to the heart.

Of the 25 hunters, 17 had established coronary heart disease, while the rest had risk factors such as being overweight, smoking or having high blood pressure or cholesterol.

The findings suggest that for men like these, hunting could boost the risk of heart attack or cardiac arrest.

Susan Haapaniemi and colleagues at William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oaks, Michigan, report the findings in the American Journal of Cardiology.

For the study, the researchers outfitted each man with a portable monitor that continuously recorded his heart's electrical activity during a day of deer hunting. For comparison, the men also had their hearts monitored as they exercised on a treadmill on a separate day.

In general, the researchers found, deer hunting put the men's hearts under more strain than the treadmill did. Ten men exceeded the maximum heart rate they logged on the treadmill, and several showed potentially dangerous heart responses to hunting that they did not show during the treadmill test.

Three men had signs of impeded blood flow to the heart during hunting, but not on the treadmill. Similarly, three of the men with heart disease had heart-rhythm abnormalities while hunting that did not show up on the treadmill test.

The combination of physical exertion, adrenaline rush and the stress of rough terrain and cold weather may explain the "excessive cardiac demands" seen with hunting, according to Haapaniemi's team.

What's more, they point out, most of the men in the study were taking part in an exercise program to treat their heart disease, or were regularly physically active. Hunting could be an even greater strain on the heart in men who are usually sedentary, the researchers note.

SOURCE: American Journal of Cardiology, July 15, 2007.
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So basically if you are fat and out of shape, you shouldn't play (high stakes)poker, argue with your significant other, or drive during rush hour traffic? Because all of these things raise my heart rate WAY more than hunting and killing an animal...But then again I'm not fat and (totally)out of shape.:rolleyes:
 
This article is ridiculous. It doesn't take a genius to know that strenuous activities can be a problem for people with heart disease. And using hunting as the ONLY example shows that the purpose of this article has little to do with its purported purpose. IMO, its a thinly vealed anti-hunting peace, which is trying to show hunting as being more dangerous than it really is. The article's title is a dead giveaway (i.e. "Deer hunting may put men's hearts at risk" rather than a more accurate "Deer hunting may pose danger to men with heart disease").

There is also no mention of other activities - lawn work, construction, etc - which could also pose a threat to men with heart disease.
 
If you are in shape as bad as they use in their example, then going to the fridge for a cold one would put you at risk too. I'd rather die hunting.
 
I read this article on earlier on yahoo news. It seems to me like the whole premise is that hunting is bad because it involves more effort than walking on a treadmill :scrutiny: Funny, by this rational construction workers and other physically active people should be dropping like flies :banghead: :banghead:

Amazingly, not a single one of the people who is (or was at one point) on our deer lease has died of a heart attack :rolleyes:
 
This article is ridiculous. It doesn't take a genius to know that strenuous activities can be a problem for people with heart disease. And using hunting as the ONLY example shows that the purpose of this article has little to do with its purported purpose. IMO, its a thinly vealed anti-hunting peace, which is trying to show hunting as being more dangerous than it really is. The article's title is a dead giveaway (i.e. "Deer hunting may put men's hearts at risk" rather than a more accurate "Deer hunting may pose danger to men with heart disease").
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Here here.

Unbiased and objective inquiry my rear.

Who funds these things?
 
They're studying something obvious with a preselected group of men (with existing heart disease,) to come up with an obvious conclusion. It might be more illustrative to do an epidemiological study... how many people actually die from heart disease while deer hunting? Woops... that might not come up with the right conclusion...
Marty
 
how many people actually die from heart disease while deer hunting? Woops... that might not come up with the right conclusion...
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Seems to me IIRC that the last big midwestern blizzard they mentioned how many people died from heart attacks while shoveling snow. This past week they've attributed a number of deaths to the excessive heat. It's funny that they hold the weather responsible rather than the fat, out of shape people who don't know the limitations of their own bodies. Guess they've decided to try and hang the same thing on deer hunting. :rolleyes:
 
ahhh geez not this crap again...just about everything we do in life can kill us. I'd rather go out in the middle of the mountains somewhere than slumped over dead in my cubicle.

News flash: Life kills, deadly toilet spores that will eat your cat...all this and more at 11!
 
I suffered a Sudden Cardiac Death on July 18, 2006.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-12-10-body-cooling-cover_x.htm

I recovered, went through cardiac rehab, changed my life style (smoking, eating, exercise, ets.) and was up in the North Cascades hunting that Fall.

I suppose working in an office is just as taxing. :neener:

If my wife reads that article (from original post), I'll probably have to sneak out to hunt.

dean
 
Calling all you fat slobs - Stop dear hunting or you might die

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070817/hl_nm/deer_risk_dc

Deer hunting may put men's hearts at risk

Fri Aug 17, 2:27 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Deer hunting could be a dangerous endeavor for men with heart disease or risk factors for it, research findings suggest.
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In a study of 25 middle-aged male deer hunters, researchers found that the activities inherent to hunting -- like walking over rough terrain, shooting an animal and dragging its carcass -- sent the men's heart rates up significantly.

In some cases, this led to potentially dangerous heart-rhythm disturbances, or diminished oxygen supply to the heart.

Of the 25 hunters, 17 had established coronary heart disease, while the rest had risk factors such as being overweight, smoking or having high blood pressure or cholesterol.

The findings suggest that for men like these, hunting could boost the risk of heart attack or cardiac arrest.

Susan Haapaniemi and colleagues at William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oaks, Michigan, report the findings in the American Journal of Cardiology.

For the study, the researchers outfitted each man with a portable monitor that continuously recorded his heart's electrical activity during a day of deer hunting. For comparison, the men also had their hearts monitored as they exercised on a treadmill on a separate day.

In general, the researchers found, deer hunting put the men's hearts under more strain than the treadmill did. Ten men exceeded the maximum heart rate they logged on the treadmill, and several showed potentially dangerous heart responses to hunting that they did not show during the treadmill test.

Three men had signs of impeded blood flow to the heart during hunting, but not on the treadmill. Similarly, three of the men with heart disease had heart-rhythm abnormalities while hunting that did not show up on the treadmill test.

The combination of physical exertion, adrenaline rush and the stress of rough terrain and cold weather may explain the "excessive cardiac demands" seen with hunting, according to Haapaniemi's team.

What's more, they point out, most of the men in the study were taking part in an exercise program to treat their heart disease, or were regularly physically active. Hunting could be an even greater strain on the heart in men who are usually sedentary, the researchers note.

SOURCE: American Journal of Cardiology, July 15, 2007.
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Why single out dear hunting?:banghead:

Doesn't the same thing apply to any physical activity that gets your heart rate up? Next thing you know they will recommend passing law against urinals so all of us with potential heart problems will be forced to sit down and relax while taking a whiz.
 
I just read that article. Extremely pointless, I hope taxpayer didn't fund that sh*t.
 
Doesn't the same thing apply to any physical activity that gets your heart rate up?
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No, it doesn't and it even says that in the article:
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In general, the researchers found, deer hunting put the men's hearts under more strain than the treadmill did. Ten men exceeded the maximum heart rate they logged on the treadmill, and several showed potentially dangerous heart responses to hunting that they did not show during the treadmill test.

Three men had signs of impeded blood flow to the heart during hunting, but not on the treadmill. Similarly, three of the men with heart disease had heart-rhythm abnormalities while hunting that did not show up on the treadmill test.
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That was kind of the point of the article is that for whatever reason, the activity of deer hunting resulted in greater heart stress than the traditional treadmill tests that determine heart health and could result in dangerous conditions that has been previously missed.

Then again, with "deer" spelled wrong twice in the post that even has an article to help with the correct spelling, I'm not surprised that nuances of the research were overlooked.
 
As long as a person is physically-fit,well-fed and generally healthy,then hunting and carrying game,isn't much of a health hazard,at all.After all,it was once a normal way of life,for nearly everyone in the world-in the past.

People only get problems with the heart,if they are unfit,seriously-overweight due to over-eating,poor diets and regular amounts of chain-smoking-particulary Malboro 'reds' Camel,Dunhill and Rothman's cigarettes.Believe me,cigarettes particulary those brands that I mentioned,don't help a persons fitness and ability to hunt-although some of the old timers,who have smoked for donkeys years,are still active and the effects of the cigarettes,haven't impaired their general ability at all.

When engaging in shooting sports in general,whether it's on the range or out on the plains or even in the bush,it's a good idea to enroll at a gym and do some physical training and lift some weights,to improve your general fitness and also to increase muscle mass too.That's the advice I've read in British gun mags,written by target shooters,pest-controllers and game hunters.
 
It doesn't take a genius to know that strenuous activities can be a problem for people with heart disease.
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The point of the article, as I mentioned in the other thread about this, was the combination of factors hunting result in greater heart stress than the traditional treadmill test which is the standard strenous activity for testing heart conditions.

If anything, it points out that current screening methodology may be insufficient to identify those with heart conditions and perhaps should be reviewed. I can't see how that would be of benefit to anyone.:rolleyes:
 
As a guy with a bad heart, this study is no surprise. I don't take it as anti-hunting, but rather a "heads-up" for hunters with potential for heart probs. While I exercise (fast walk for 45-60 min daily) I know that I get mild angina with adrenalin surges even when not exercising. Though I have no probs with my walk or usual carrying of boxes of books at work. I think that, as the study showed, hunting has the ability to put extra demands on the heart since you are hiking with a load, dealing with adrenalin surges, dressing out and hauling out and, depending where the hunt takes place, may be in a thinner-air or cooler environment than you're aclimated to. I know this would be a lot more heart stress than I encounter even on my busiest day.

There are other reasons I think that studying heart risk of hunters, as different from other strenuous physical activity is relevant. Playing a sport, whether a team or intense individual activity is usually in a controlled environment with opportunties to rest when needed, a set time period for the activity and relatively close emergency support if needed. Hunters, even when hunting with others, are often off in solitary situations. The duration of the hunt and the intensity of physical activity is not predicable, and emergency services are far off.

That is not to say that a hunter with heart disease, or the potential for it, shouldn't hunt, they just need to be aware of the risks and their own limitations and plan as best they can to hunt within those limits.

For me, I hadn't been hunting for years before the attack, but I have thought about going again, just to prove to myself that I can do it, but my buddies would need to do the dressing and hauling-out work. (I also joke that if I shoot somebody in self defense I wont have to worry about the legal hassels as the heart attack afterwards will probably kill me. ;-)
James
 
A good a way to die as any. F*** it.

I am going to do what I like to do. I have a history of heart disease on my dads side. I have three Uncles who died of heart attacks bowling. I am 50 years old and play baseball in an 18 & over league.

May I die on the ballfield, hunting or shooting.

Dying in the peace and quite of the woods alone with my maker would be an excellent way to go. :)
 
+1 to walkalong. To qoute Braveheart, "Every man dies. Not every man lives." Better to die doing something you love, then be 80 years old stuck in a nursing home slowly wasting away.
 
Great story, Dean! Would that we could all be as fortunate to have willing, prepared, and trained family/friends/co-workers in similar circumstances.

Sounds like you're making the most of your "second chance".
 
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