Hunters shooting my dogs

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I live up the mountain from you somewhere and I feel ya. As the kid up the road told me, Dad might not kill your dog if he bothers him hunting because he is your dog, but he might. So I make sure not to let my dog run during hunting season unless it's raining. And yes my dog does roam a lot, I get calls from neighbors from a couple of miles in either direction, insisting he isn't bothering them, he just wont leave when they are done playing with him, and even have people stopping on the road i don't know saying how they haven't seen him for a while and was wondering if he was ok.

Bottom line if he gets shot it's my fault, unless he is on my porch.
 
Here's the method I used up here when I lived in the sticks. Post the property with signs--no trespassing, no hunting, etc. If possible run twine around on the boundaries and hang signs on it as a cheap fence. If you find people on the property hunting, eject them. Have a rifle with you, but do not point it at them. If they raise iron on you, drop and prepare to shoot them. If possible have someone else with you running a video camera.

The position I took re. the dogs is simple. If they get shot on someone else's property after wandering off, bad on me. If someone comes onto MY PROPERTY and starts shooting them, I will assume he's coming to kill me and aim COM with a round of 54R, no warning no debate. The dogs are in fact there to take the first rounds of an assault (or the first swipes from a bear) and give you warning. That was the policy of most people there. But the Mat-Su isn't exactly like some of the more "civilized" parts of the US where people are allowed to trespass all over private lands with rifles and blast away at anything that moves. Where I come from you DO NOT DO THAT! In fact you don't even knock on a cabin door. You stand at the entrance to the driveway and call out "Hello the cabin!" I like it that way myself. It's the old way.
 
In many states, you can post your property with paint blazes -- both Virginia and Arkansas have such laws, I know. You buy a special color paint, and paint blazes on trees, rocks, and fence posts. No special signs are needed, and the paint is legal evidence the property is posted.

Also, in many states, simply putting up a fence automatically posts the property.
 
VERN HUMPHREY - "In many states, you can post your property with paint blazes -- both Virginia and Arkansas have such laws, I know. You buy a special color paint, and paint blazes on trees, rocks, and fence posts. No special signs are needed, and the paint is legal evidence the property is posted."


Same here in Idaho, Vern. Put up a "posted" sign and then paint a 12" blaze orange or bright red mark on fence posts about 100' (??) apart, around property.

L.W.
 
Vern there are plenty of dogs that are very capable of passing through pasture land without ever bother livestock, I have known many dogs like this. Its is indecent to shoot something that does not understand the concepts of "property lines" for walking around. Your not even talking about shooting dogs that are being a harzard now, your talking about murdering pets that have wandered off. There is also the possibility that the dog you shot for being in your field was stolen out of someone's yards and dumped which sadly is a very common prank. I'm not saying there are not times when a person may have to shoot a dog to protect livestock, I'm saying that all to many people are not willing to take the time to do something more kind hearted. After all, it is easyer to see a dog walking through a field and shoot him from the truck than it is walk up and see if he is a lost dog or even to just get closer to yell and run him off.
 
I grew up around folks who believed that if an owner cared about the dog, the dog had a collar, and the owner had the responsibility to maintain control. That ol' debbil word, "responsibility".

Dogs do get out and roam. It is the owner's responsibility to see that it's an uncommon event. Even a housepet dog can get into a neighbor's chickens or turkeys--and it's the owner's responsibility to pay $$$ for the damages and take steps to avoid a future recurrence.

When I was twelve years old, living with no fenced yard around our very-rural home, my pet dog became habituated to killing a neighbor's turkeys. We tried all the known remedies. I still remember taking the responsibility of killing my dog--and that was sixty-one years ago.

So I have little sympathy for those who get all exercised about taking responsibility for control over their dogs. Folks who want to play in the grownup world oughta act like grownups. Responsibility.

Art
 
Vern there are plenty of dogs that are very capable of passing through pasture land without ever bother livestock, I have known many dogs like this.
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And those dogs are painted purple, with strobe lights on their collars, right?

How many sheep, cattle, horses and donkeys do I have to lose at night before I decide to shoot the dog?

Sorry, but rather than risk my livestock, I'd deal with the dog -- and if the owner doesn't want his dog shot, let him keep his dog at home.
 
There has been more than one occasion in which people’s livestock have escaped their fences. When this happens it is not uncommon for these cattle to get into crops on adjoining property where they eat and trample other people’s property. When this has happen to us we went out and ran the offending cows back home. Under your logic I would have been justified in shooting the cattle, who just wandered off through a broken fence being cattle, rather being nice about it and running them home.

Since you seem to consider the economic value of livestock over the emotional value of pets think about the economic cost you would suffer if someone applied your beliefs of shooting animals to protect property instead of trying to run them off. How many head of cattle do you think would be lost to a man with a soybean field and an M1A protecting his property in the way you advocate.
 
I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but, to deal with the trespassing, I would be placing trailcams throughout the property. One on the edge of the driveway facing the highway. Possibly one on each end of the property. Just go out and look for any high traffic areas. Between those and just making a presence during different times of the day would probably warn off potential trespassers. One thing we used to do was go out with four-wheelers around 4 in the morning to daybreak. One thing to remember, is do it at different times. People will notice trends, no matter how dumb they really are. Sorry about the dogs. Wish I could put in some advice in that other than maybe investing into "inside" dogs.
 
A few post saids that trespassing with a firearm is a felony in their state. Doesn't that seem a bit harsh. I would imagine its fairly common that hunters miss posted signs or accidentally went too far before noticing they were off their property.


Just seems a bit odd you could loose all your gun rights for trespassing. I think loosing your hunting license for 1-2 years and a big hefty fee would be more appropriate (maybe 5 years if you kill on the land).
 
*now depositing 2 pennies*

The only legal reason anyone would have to shoot your dog would be to defend thier livestock/dog/family/themselves.

On the order of trespassing, get you a ghillie suit and a compact rifle and go sit on opening day with the sherrif's number on speed dial. You can make a citizens arrest for trespassing, just hop out when they are clearly on your property and tell 'em to reach for the sky. That or tell a deputy that you're gonna shoot the next mf'er (wether you plan on it or not) that trespasses and they'll be a little bit more intent on watching the area.
 
Idaho law or a tiny part of.

Any person, on finding any dog, not on the premises of its owner or possessor, worrying, wounding, or killing any livestock or poultry which are raised and kept in captivity for domestic or commercial purposes, may, at the time of so finding said dog, kill the same, and the owners thereof can sustain no action for damages against any person so killing such dog.
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"Worrying" is a pretty broad word there my friend.
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On the order of trespassing, get you a ghillie suit and a compact rifle and go sit on opening day with the sherrif's number on speed dial. You can make a citizens arrest for trespassing, just hop out when they are clearly on your property and tell 'em to reach for the sky.
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That is not very smart advice at all, and is in fact a good way to get into situation you wish you were not in real fast, and has the potential of life changing events no one wants or needs for simple trespass.
Call the authorities, get license numbers etc. but jumping out of the bushes and pointing guns at folks especially armed one's, ain't smart to say the least.
 
Yeah yeah, was tounge in cheek :neener:. Kinda like suggesting a sling shot in a tree stand. Besides, I put my disclaimer at the top :D. You are right about the liscense plates and all that, I was trying to think of a good use for a ghille. The Compromise: Put on a ghille or ninja underwear and hide by thier trucks to ID them, har, I win!!
 
The best solution is be a responsible pet owner and keep your dogs on your property. If someone trespasses tell the athhourities to "deal with it or you will"
they will deal with it.
I own 250 acres and have dealt with the trespassing issue in the past. A strong relationship with the neibors and local athorities gos along way.
Do not do anything that you could not live with for the rest of your life.
 
If I watched someone shoot my dog for the fun of it or some other reason besides self defense I can't really say what I would do in the heat of the moment. I've got no tolerance for those who abuse animals, domesticated or not and I love my dog.

I guess if I saw someone shoot my dog for no good reason I would react much the same as if someone shot a friend of mine.
 
In many states, you can post your property with paint blazes -- both Virginia and Arkansas have such laws
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If it matters to anyone here in VA it is a strip of silver paint on a tree roughly 2 inches wide and 6 inches long at about head height...
 
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In many states, you can post your property with paint blazes -- both Virginia and Arkansas have such laws

If it matters to anyone here in VA it is a strip of silver paint on a tree roughly 2 inches wide and 6 inches long at about head height...


I don't live in either of them states, but I would seem to think a majority of the population would look at that and not know what it is for. Personally, I would think they are cutting some select trees down or something. On the other hand, I don't trespass either.
 
I feel for you, but it is ultimately YOUR decision where you dogs should roam. I have been in hunting clubs that stated that Dogs wearing a collar will be given one pass, and then will be shot. stray hunting dogs are not good for hunting camps, as they chase game, and ruin many hunters hunts. We pay $500 per year lease, plus 3 work days, plus liscences, for a dog to run deer around on the property? I think not.
 
If I watched someone shoot my dog for the fun of it or some other reason besides self defense I can't really say what I would do in the heat of the moment."
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If your dog is a neusance at any deer camp in the U.S. it will be brought down, and discarded, period. If you have no control over your own dogs, then you should not be surprised to lose it. If you are willing to get physical over a dog that you aren't even taking care of, you shouldn't be surprised, if you get a good "talking" to about your poor pet ownership skills.
 
heck, i kile YOUR dogs better than most people! the blaze orange vest idea sounds like a good one to me. also, a good idea is (i hate doing this, and you should not have to) tying them up for the 2 weeks or so that firearm deer season is in progress. it's hard on the people, and the dogs, but not nearly as hard as a 30-06 to the chest! my personal opinion would be to lay low for the low life doing this and give him a taste of his own medicine! on second thought, i like a rabid dog better than most people!
 
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