HUNTING ISSUES, opinions needed

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I am having a little problem on the farm my father and I hunt. We have been hunting there for the last 8 years, and its the only place we have to go. Recently a friend of mine and his father got permission to hunt the farm. Well I thought he was my friend, he has moved my treestands where he thought they should be. He has put two stands within 100yds of the only two stands my father hunts out of. I have known the guy my whole life, I know that I would never do this, being "new" to the farm and especially to your "friend". I wanna rip his head off:fire:, to me its very disrespectful. How would you guys handle it? Its a 325 acre farm, is it necessary for him to be crowding my stands? Hell, there are plenty of places to put a stand shouldnt he be able to scout and find a place that isnt on top of me and my father?? Lets hear you opinions, am I going off the deep end or should I go burn his stands up with a couple boxes of 000buck? Thanks for your input, Lee.
 
I'd simply tell him to replace your stands in a serious way... and possibly with an "I ain't jokin'" look on my face... If he responds favorably it's a win win ...... if he responds other than respectfully... let the land owner know and let HIM tell him where "the bear sh_ts in the buckwheat".
 
If you've been hunting there for 8 years, you are "established" and he should not have moved the stands.

He should be told to put them back where they were. And go scout his own stand sites.

You may sweeten the conversation by saying that you've been meaning to put a stand at such and such location because they always seem to come from there, or go to there.

Make sure it's a long way off from where you are, however. :D
 
obxflea said:
I am having a little problem on the farm my father and I hunt. We have been hunting there for the last 8 years, and its the only place we have to go. Recently a friend of mine and his father got permission to hunt the farm. Well I thought he was my friend
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Sounds like there's more to this story.....why is this the only place you have to go? Have you tried other places? Seems odd the owner would give others permission if he was happy with your arrangement. In the last 8 years, what did you do for the farmer in exchange for the hunting privilege? What is your friend offering in exchange that you are not?

Call me cold, but if you want permanent hunting rights you'll have to pay for it.....either in the form of a lease or buy your own land. I've seen far to many hunters that get permission once or twice and think the land is theirs to hunt forever.
 
First not right for him to move your stands I'd talk to him and if he does not move it back talk to the farmer. Second I give mine a role of Salami I make or some roast and share my game makes him happy and I'm the only hunter he allows course the last guys he let in wrecked his roads he said so its me and only me I can bring guys with me as long as I do the driving and im cool with that.
 
Seems odd the owner would give others permission if he was happy with your arrangement. In the last 8 years, what did you do for the farmer in exchange for the hunting privilege? What is your friend offering in exchange that you are not?

I grew up with BOTH of these guys, I thought they were both my friends... I am seeing ones true colors now.. I have permission because I grew up with the land owners son. My other "friend" and his father now have permisson because his father does construction and did a little work on the house. By no means does anyone have permanent hunting rights. The land owner wants all the deer gone at the beginning of the season, lots of vehicle traffic in the fields makes it look like a highway as he calls it, and no more hunting it is until he gets over it.

My "friend" and his father have also been trespassing onto the next farm picking corn that they plant for the deer, along with hunting the property line. I know that hunting the property line is legal, but for me I like to give a good buffer. I dont want to have to track my deer onto the next property. The guys on the neighboring farm are serious hunters and if they see this it is game over. The farm on the other side is 600 acres and no hunting allowed. My "friend" said no one will notice if they go over there, again if they get caught it game over for everyone. I have tried to tell them and they said its "all good" nothing will happen. The land owner expects us to hunt legally and ethically. Any taddling on other hunters will result in NO hunting period.....
 
If you both have equal permission to hunt there, your friend has no right to move your treestands without your permission, they are your personal property. That said, he has every right to put up his own stands anywhere he wants to just like you. Who stands where and when is something you two need to work out. I agree your friend should have shown more respect, but I too wonder how good of friend he is. But then, some folk are just users. Especially when it comes to huntin'. We call 'em slob hunters around here. The no respect for fellow hunters is generally accompanied by no respect of the quarry or the land. With them comes their litter, garbage, trees butchered for stands and shooting lanes, wounded animals and the occasional argument over "who's deer it really is".


Hopefully this ain't the case and you two can work something out.........
 
From what your saying, little has been done to cultivate a better relationship with the farmer other than rely on a past friendship with his son. Easy to understand how someone else got permission, they gave the farmer something tangible he could use....repairs on his house.

Your friend wanted to hunt the ground and offered something in exchange for that privilege. Your friendship with the farmer wasn't strong enough to keep exclusive hunting rights.

You both have permission, just have to work it out. I think your friend was wrong for moving your stand, it's between the two of you now.


You didn't answer the first part of my previous question.......Why is this the only place you have to go? Have you tried other places?
 
Since you asked for advice:

If you inform the farmer that you and the new guys are throwing barnyard confetti and can't work it out like adults, he may very well ask neither of you to return.

However, if you have a good relationship with the farmer, it may be a good idea to inform him of the other hunter's ethics. I'd frame it in the context of "I heard a story about these guys", etc.
 
You didn't answer the first part of my previous question.......Why is this the only place you have to go? Have you tried other places?

The other place we had is my fathers ex boss, he is getting very old and doesnt remember much or recoginze anyone anymore.... It was a beautiful place in the mountains, tons of big deer, bears and turkeys. We were the only ones that hunted there.

As far as giving the "farmer" something, they are members at the local country club, the fanciest in town. They have tons of money, and the work done on the house was paid for, not a trade. As for me and my father having permission, we have known the family forever. No real obligation to "give" something. From time to time when my father fires up his smoker to cook pork butts, he throws on a few racks of ribs and takes it to them.. AND we leave our 4-wheeler on their farm for them to use as they wish and we dont have to transport it. Their son has a 4-wheeler and a dirt bike, but likes ours better. With the big rack on the back it makes it nice for him and his girlfriend to go for rides and getting picnic accessories to the top of the mountain.
 
I would spray coyote pee all around his stand :) might help to drive them to your new stand location. This is of course after trying to politely ask him what heck was he thinking moving your stands.
 
Thanks for the replies, like I said I have known this guy all my life he IS a "friend" of mine. BUT when it comes to my woman, my fishing stuff, and my hunting stuff you run the risk of really pi$$ing me off if you mess with it. I am really laid back, easy to get along with etc. but stuff like this really makes me steam. I guess I will try to talk to him without getting :fire:. I know we both have equal permission but when you are third in line you get the leftovers.... Thats how I see it. Thanks again, Lee.
 
Just how a big a feller is your friend. I would confront him.

Make sure you are good with the land owner before making a stink to him. The last thing he wants to here is trouble. If that happens he might tell one or both of you to go home.
 
he is a 6'2" 230# marine, can rip your head off.... Cant really think of anyone short of Chuck Lidell or Rampage Jackson that would want to confront him, but that is not the point.
 
If it were me, I'd be blunt about his moving my stands. You can be friendly about it, but serious.

As far as his slob behavior putting his stands near your father's, well, that's just bad manners. But, I'd mention it as well. Let him know, plainly, that those are the only 2 stand that he uses.
 
I don't get it, you say he is your friend but he acts like this? You better
review why you say he is your friend, I have friends who share the same values and ethics or they are not my friends.
Good luck....
 
Thats why I am writing "friend", because it is very questionable at this point.
 
climber and ladder stands. Not allowed to build fixed stands on the farm.


Water-man, my "friend" knows Im not a wuss.... I just didnt get 3 DUI's in one month to point me in the direction of the millitary.:) He may think he is helping me out, and it also may be the way they do it on the other properties they have permission to hunt on. Will find out tomorrow....
 
As far as giving the "farmer" something, they are members at the local country club, the fanciest in town. They have tons of money, and the work done on the house was paid for, not a trade. As for me and my father having permission, we have known the family forever. No real obligation to "give" something.
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It ain't about obligation. And the amount of money they may have is irrelevant.

Anytime I have permission to hunt on a man's land, I try to fix any fences that need patching if I can (if I can't, I let him know), get a dumbass goat's head out of the fence he stuck himself in (done that twice), pick up any trash I might see, etc.

Landowner's have been burned many a time by hunters, and these days it's good to go out of your way to show you're not one of 'those guys.'
 
It is possible that the guy is doing this with good intentions. Clearly its not right, but he may be trying to be a nice guy. If you've always thought of him as a friend, he's probably not trying to be an a$$ but his "help" is misguided. I think you need to say something to him, but keep an open mind about why he did it. No reason to ruin a friendship over this. Of course, if he turns out to be a jerk about it, there are lots of options to ensure the deer don't go anywhere near his stands.
 
"Any "friend" wouldn't move somebody else's stands without permission.

PERIOD."


Nail on head.
 
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