Hunting poll

[CannibalCrowley]

werewolf

BUT!Killing animals just for the sake of killing and to take home a reminder is a totally incorrect thing to do. It is against nature. It is an aberation. It is sick!

Animals sometimes kill for enjoyment, are you saying that they're "against nature"?

Ya wanna hunt because yur a sick bastard that enjoys killing then do it with the same odds of winning that your average predator has.

Wow, name calling already, very high road of you.

An animal predator will use every advantage possible, humans are restricted by both laws and self imposed limits. In that way, humans are already hunting at "lower odds".

Killing it then becomes a no brainer with a gun.

Are you saying that no one has ever missed a shot at an animal, or that only those without brains have missed?

 

[cracked butt]

The only challenge in that is finding the animal. Killing it then becomes a no brainer with a gun.

Try taking one with a bow sometime, then come back and tell me how superior you really think you are.

 

[Werewolf]

Animals sometimes kill for enjoyment,

I keep seeing this posted. Prove it. I've never seen or heard of it. I've observed house cats playing with mice or birds they catch but invariably they end up eating them or presenting them to their masters for dinner. Mother cats often capture and deliver to their kittens live prey as training aids to teach their offspring the art of the kill. Those not familiar with typical cat behavior might easily imagine that the cat killed for the pleasure of it or even tortured its prey. They'd be wrong but then there isn't any law against being uninformed or worse stupid so those people can imagine what ever they want. Equating the actions of a house cat that acts out of instinct with the rational mind of a human like some of you want to do is a pretty far stretch.

Some claim dogs kill for pleasure. Having lived with mankind for the better part of 30,000 years or so I can see how some might have been corrupted. There are some instances where one might interpret a dog killing for pleasure when it is actually being territorial.

quote:Ya wanna hunt because yur a sick bastard that enjoys killing then do it with the same odds of winning that your average predator has.

Wow, name calling already, very high road of you.

That wasn't directed at any individual here and you know it. But I stand by the statement anyway. If one hunts just for the pure joy of the kill with no other purpose than that then that person is sick. If they do it to a human they go to jail or are commited - do it to an animal and they get a free pass.

An animal predator will use every advantage possible,

And they kill for a purpose. If a human must kill for a purpose then using every advantage possible is no different than a predator doing the same. What was your point again.... I didn't quite get it.

Killing with purpose = OK.
Killing without purpose=Not OK.

See. Isn't that easy to understand?

If there is even one moral person here who believes that killing with no purpose is OK then I'll apologize to the thread and drop the subject. Just one - a moral person - anyone? Raise your hands! Stand up for what you believe and tell all of us that senseless, purposeless killing is moral and therefore OK.

 

[Snaps]

I only bow hunt.. as far as rifles I'm just a shooter.

Anyway, I hunt mostly for fun/sport

HOwever I do like to eat deer.

I'll call it 98% for fun and 2% for food because I know if I ever wanted deer my dad would have plenty in the freezer. I'd just have to go get it

 

[Bridger]

I hunt to learn an ancient skill, something that is missing from the majority of the population these days.

I love the whole experience, even when I come home empty handed. (hey I'm still learning! )

 

[Ryder]

A subsistence hunter would not pass up a shot at a trophy and would take just as much pride in it as anyone. A trophy hunter passes up many shots and doesn't eat their kill but I figure it is their license to do with as they please. They give the meat to others. I don't have a problem with that.

I never saw the two as mutually exclusive and have always figured there is room for everybody who hunts.

What there isn't room for is one who doesn't participate telling others they can't either.

Fun is a reason for doing things. Killing is fun.

 

[auschip]

I keep seeing this posted. Prove it. I've never seen or heard of it. I've observed house cats playing with mice or birds they catch but invariably they end up eating them or presenting them to their masters for dinner. Mother cats often capture and deliver to their kittens live prey as training aids to teach their offspring the art of the kill. Those not familiar with typical cat behavior might easily imagine that the cat killed for the pleasure of it or even tortured its prey. They'd be wrong but then there isn't any law against being uninformed or worse stupid so those people can imagine what ever they want. Equating the actions of a house cat that acts out of instinct with the rational mind of a human like some of you want to do is a pretty far stretch.

http://www.wildbirds.com/protect_cats.htm

From the above page:

"Well-fed Cats Do Kill Birds: Well-fed cats kill birds and other wildlife because the hunting instinct is independent of the urge to eat. In one study, six cats were presented with a live small rat while eating their preferred food. All six cats stopped eating the food, killed the rat, and then resumed eating the food. "

I tried to find video of the elephant setting the trap for the duck but unfortunately couldn't locate it. In essence, the elephant lays peanuts out for the duck in a row, then when the duck gets close attempts to step on it.

 

[V-fib]

We have lots of deer in W. Michigan. Never hunted as a kid. My dad didn’t hunt but I took it up 25 yrs. ago when I moved to the country. Deer is my main quest. For $7 you can get a stand alone doe tag (All you care to buy) until they are gone. I usually average 2 does per rifle season. Last year I lucked out and got an 8pt. Didn’t think that bucks would taste as good as a doe but this one was excellent. As far as “gamey†deer, none of the deer I get are ever “gameyâ€. It’s all in the quick clean kill and quick care of the animal after the hunt that prevents the bad taste associated with some wild game. I’ve tried Turkeys but I’m losing interest do to the outdated “lottery†for tags and I just got too many other things to do in the spring. I never hunt or kill anything else since I only kill animals for the food value. An exception would be feral dogs, cats, mice and anything else doing damage to my property. Yeah you lawn moles, I’ve got your number! Basically as long as the raccoons, skunks and other critters keep where they belong in the woods I’m happy to leave them be.

 

[Feanaro]

Killing with purpose = OK.
Killing without purpose=Not OK.

See. Isn't that easy to understand?

This does not prohibit what you argue against. According to my dictionary a "purpose" is an aim, a desire or a goal. Something one strives for. Pleasure can be all of those. People who kill for pleasure have a purpose and it is to feel good.

 

[buttrap]

well if cat dont kill for the fun of it how do you explane cougers killing 30 sheep and only eating one? ohh its just lazy and thinks a feild is a refigerator....aint buying that one at all..and yes well feed house cats kill birds just for the sport and dont eat them all the time.

 

[Werewolf]

According to my dictionary a "purpose" is an aim, a desire or a goal. Something one strives for. Pleasure can be all of those. People who kill for pleasure have a purpose and it is to feel good

Touche'...

My poor communication skills and tendency towards the dramatic strike again. Perhaps I should have worded my thesis thusly:

Hunting is altogether right and proper when it's end result is utilitarian. Deriving pleasure from a hunt well done is an added benefit.

Antithesis:Hunting solely for the pleasure of the kill in the absence of other purpose is morally wrong.

 

[cracked butt]

If one hunts just for the pure joy of the kill with no other purpose than that then that person is sick.

Is this just your opinion, or is this 'sickness' actually something that is acknowledged by Psychologists?

If they do it to a human they go to jail or are commited - do it to an animal and they get a free pass

Yes because a boy=a rat= cockroach.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Deer & squirrel (and lotsa pigeons. )

 

[g21forme]

I have never hunted and I will never go hunting because I'm an animal lover and just don't feel any need to do it. With that said if you guys want to go hunting so you can have a nice 8 point trophy go for it! Just because I don't want to to it doesn't mean I think it's wrong it's just not for me. I used to work at an archery range and there were a lot of shooters that didn't hunt but we all have choices in life and we should all do what makes us happy.

 

[rugerman]

Other than a beef steak every now an then and some chicken the rest of the meat in my diet is something that I caught (fish, shrimp, crab) or killed (deer, dove, etc). Haven't bought burger in about 10 years and yes the deer sausage is really good, and the cube ain't bad either. rugerman

 

[stevelyn]

I'm a subsistence hunter. My first mission is to fill the freezer and smokehouse. If it has a nice rack that's okay, if not, that's okay too. I'm not going out for bragging rights. Regardless, I enjoy the totality of the experience. From preparation to having to butcher a moose the size of a draft horse.
I also hunt predators and furbearers for their fur and varmints just because I can.

 

[RocketMan]

Don't hunt now as I've never really been interested.
Hunted pheasant with my father when I was in jr. high school, and while fun, it just didn't spark much of an interest.
However, now I work with several people who hunt, deer and elk mostly, and some bird. Hearing them discuss the sport is starting to pique my interest. I'm giving it some thought and might give it a try.

 

[OtG]

I don't hunt, but I'd like to try. I don't have the time, money, need, or inclination. Plus I think my mother might disown me

-Owen