I’ve been thinking about a truck gun for my Bronco.

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George Hill

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No… not an autoshucker. Something potent, light and fast. I’m thinking about a levergun.
Specifically I am thinking about the Marlin 336Y. The Y means “Youth†but there is nothing kiddie about a 16.5 inch barreled .30-30. However it does have a shorter 12.5 inch stock, and I tried it out at my local shop... and that’s just too short for me to tuck into. What would be ideal, would be for Marlin to take the 336CC, and throw on the 16.5 inch barrel. Unfortunately Marlin just doesn’t do things like that. Dang it. I’d rather buy that than to buy the 336Y and then buy the CC furniture. The Y model is a full ½ pound lighter than the CC… but I am sure using the longer stock will add maybe 8 ounces to that… big deal. A butt cuff would also go on, giving me just a little bit longer pull and some recoil padding… Not that .30-30 is a heavy recoiling caliber, but that my shoulder is pretty much just completely messed up like my left knee and right ankle. Let’s put it this way… if something is coming after me I would be better off stopping it in its tracks before it gets on me rather than try to run away from it. I didn’t used to be this way… It wasn’t too long ago that I was in a mile long foot chase wearing all my patrol gear and ran down a 19 year old crack pusher who was wearing Addidas and basketball shorts. You bet I got him! I did the 2 mile run in 10 minutes 30 seconds too… but those says are LONG GONE. And when I mean long, I mean you couldn’t hit it with a Tomahawk, long gone.
Where was I? Oh… the rifle… yes… It’s the overall length that is the desired outcome here… the barrel on the Y is 4 inches shorter than on the CC. This would make breaking it out of the Bronco much easier. I’m thinking of racking it either along the roof over the top of side window – or police style horizontally. The vogue around here is to mount it actually in the window… because well… that’s the easiest place to put it. But I don’t exactly want to advertise that “Hey, there is a rifle in here!†I’ve seen two smash and grabs in Virginia and I don’t want that to happen to my gun or truck… and this rifle would be riding most of the time. Well, I do live out in the boonies so why not? We got puma, wolves, coyotes and black bears up in here because the Uintah Mountains are my back yard. I had ELK in my backyard and last week not too far away was a MOOSE. Because of that I was thinking about the 336 in .35 Remington… but that kinda ammo is just impossible to find out here and two .30-30 hits would do just fine. The 336Y gives you 5 shots, and that’s is ample. There are several ammo makers that make some very effective loads for .30-30… so I’m confident. No problem. This is the gun I should have had a long time ago.
I was initially thinking about just going with the regular 336 Walnut… but the colors in the CC version’s stock really go with the Bronco. This is about the extent of my fashion sense… call this Ogre Eye For the Queer Guy. Matching your Gun to your Truck. Let’s see if the cable channels picks this up for the next season… I’m open to offers. Have your producers talk to my people.
Optics? If I do put any optics on it, it would be something small like an Optima maybe. Nothing fancy… Small, light and compact in keeping with the theme. Something that would allow me to grab a fast sight picture in the dark. Anyways… that’s the rifle I’m thinking about.
What do you guys think?
 
A Marlin .30-30 is a good rifle. I gave one to a friend of mine who lives in Utah, as a matter of fact.

However, the old .30-30 round loses a LOT out of a short 16" barrel, to the point where .44 Magnum is almost as efficient. Take a look at the Winchester and Marlin short leverguns in .44 Mag, too. Same length, same power (abouts), higher capacity.

For the same price, you might be able to pick up a Saiga, too, if you were to change your mind and get an Autochucker. I think a .308 Saiga, 16", with a few 8-rd mags (converted to 10 rounds, by modifying the follower) and maybe a Russian scope/dot sight would be pretty "Ogrish".

You know, especially if you painted the synthetic furniture to match the Green Monster. :cool:

(You could get a synthetic stocked levergun and do the same, BTW.)
 
Whats wrong with a Mini-14 or Mini-30 for your intended use? Nothing against the lever action, just wondering why no autos.
 
Why no autos? Good question. I've been jonesing for a good levergun so much that today I went to my local shop for the sole purpose of picking up a Marlin catalog. I like that the lever guns put the mag under the barrel and it doesn't stick out the bottom.
If I'm seen breaking out the rifle people around here (all cowboys mind you) wont worry. Unless your car has a light bar on the top, autorifles make them jittery. I have a supply of .30-30 I can tap into for a very small fee... SKS or Mini-30's hold no interest in me.
I WAS thinking about an M1 Carbine - but I do need more punch than that for the critters around here.
Thought about painting the stock too... and I might do that... but the CC's stock is just right.
Wish Marlin could just swap stocks like that... Springfield, you call them up and tell them what you want and they say "No Problem". Marlin? "We don't do that... call your gunsmith."
The .44 versions have the straight stock, and while those are fine, I'm more comfortable with the pistolgrip stock of the 336. I just shoot them better.
I hunted lots of whitetail with a .44 Marlin - so I know there are good... I just don't like the stock.
I'm not ready to throw down my Visa on this just yet - still in the thinking about it stage.
 
Get the Marlin 30/30.


My first rifle was almos the 35Rem until I found out how hard it was to find good ammo.


Pennsylvania Assault Rifle= Marlin 30/30


Everybody around here's got one.:D
 
I’ve been thinking about a truck gun for my Bronco

I've got a Winchester 30-30 for a combination canoe, camp, truck, ect. , plus I wacked three deer with is this year. I carry it any where I can openly carry a rifle instead of a hand gun where I need to be more discrete. It has a 3x9 Tasco scope, very accurate at 150 yds. I load 180g sps with imr 4198, is a clean no recoil no nonsense gun. And it didn't cost a whole damn lot.

rk
 
What model Bronco and where is the spare tire? The reason I ask is that I used to have a Bronco and I might have figured out your "where to place the rifle" problem.
 
I've already got an offer for a 94 Trapper in .45LC as a trade for a S&W 66.
The Trapper is a good looking gun and .45LC is a good cartridge. But I'm not sure if that's what I want. The Marlins are a lot stronger than the Winchesters... not as smooth though... so it's not what I was looking for. But it is such a good offer that I'm thinking about it.
 
Sounds like you figured it out.

Buy the 16", shop Ebay or Gunbroker for the furniture.


I'm curious on the vehicle too...is it the Full size Bronco that they quit in the 90's or the smaller, cooler Bronco they quit in the 70's? (When they built them to still go off road)

An NEF 45-70 makes a good truck gun for rotation with the 30-30.

So clue us in on the model Bronco and we'll move on to mounting.

:)

Smoke
 
Smoke, there are pictures of the Ogre Bronco on his website.

It's an O.J. Simpson model, albeit green instead of white. If I remember reading MadOgre.com correctly, he got that truck with the 460 engine for fuel economy as gas prices exceed $2.00/gallon this week. I'm assuming his spousal unit has resumed talking to him since he bought it. :D

Sorry, George, I'm sure it wasn't the first time you heard the O.J. Bronco thing, and probably won't be the last. Now if I see a low-speed highway chase involving a certain green Bronco in Utah... ;)
 
George, the Winchesters today are just as strong as the Marlins, when it comes to handling hot-loads.

But CHECK THE TRIGGER of that Trapper before you buy. I've owned TOW trappers, one in .357 and one in .44 magnum. Both had horrid, spring-loaded triggers with a long pull deliberately built into them. Why, I don't know.

The Marlins don't have this "feature".
 
I believe the 336Y has a proportionally shorter forearm as well. Any fitting issues to contend with there in a swap for CC stocks?
 
I just got a Marlin 336C for fun and picked up some yellow box 170 gr soft points for practice. I don't hunt - this is just a fun gun - but it strikes me that I should have a box of ammo for solving two-legged problems. What would be a good 30-30 bullet choice for such situations?
 
Hi George,

I don't know why you would ask, you're the expert. But it certainly sounds like you have the right idea.

I know Utah has some wide open areas, so maybe it is too short range as a weapon for your area, but I still like a good 12 gauge in the car. I don't know about Utah, but of course here you can't keep it loaded.

A 5 shot Mossy is hard to beat if you got slugs ready to load. And they tend to blend in if you lave the wood on the 18" models. And price is always a factor. Hard to beat $200 for pretty hefty short range firepower. And the locals probably wouldn't have TOO much to say about a shotgun.
 
The Bronco is the full sized rig. And yes indeed, it had a 460 up until yesterday. I traded the 460 for a much newer, fresher and much more fuel efficient 351.
The math was the reason: 4 mpg or 14 mpg? I'm having some other work done to it as well, and this is all getting done at the same time. I went by the shop this morning and it's coming along just peachy.
And yes, it's green. Grean body with a tan topper. This morning I saw a older Bronco - the smaller one, not the Ranger based Bronco II but the orginial Bronco. Same color scheme and everything and with some huge old meatball tires with locker rims and a full articulating suspension that look like if Dr Octopus had a 4X4, that would have been it. Very nice.

Expert? Who said I was an expert? I'm not an expert when it comes to shotguns, lever action rifles, and revolvers. I've used them and I'm decent with them... okay, well, not with the shotguns... Anyways.
So I'm weighing the Marlin over the Winchester... I'm leaning Malin as that's what I'm familiar with... but the Winchester has some heritage on it.
Actually, this wouldn't be the first Winchester... I have another in .30-30, but it never gets shot. Has the big hoop and everything. Heirloom piece, very old. This gun would be a working gun.
You know, the 336 in Stainless would be perfect... but really... can you have a stainless lever action out here in the western states and not get your butt kicked?
 
I recently put down the lever-action and made an Yugo SKS my truck, bumming-around-rifle. fairly accurate, very reliable. More rounds in the mag. Ammo is dirt cheap. 30-30 power for $80 shipped to my door. As much as I like lever-actions. The SKS seems like a better package for what I need in a truck gun.

This is my opinion. Your opinion may vary. Especially in this thread.

ZM
 
I too would go with a pistol-caliber rifle. But I havent had any experience with a lever action in 30-30 or a pistol caliber, so take the advice with a grain of salt about this <------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> big. ;)
 
... but really... can you have a stainless lever action out here in the western states and not get your butt kicked?
Dunno about Western states, Here in the South it's a hanging offense. :D

George, I'm a fuddy duddy and hard -headed to boot. I have enjoyed shooting Marlins , enjoyed shooting the pistol calibers...Imean how could one NOT like the Marlin in .357?

I like the 30-30 out of a Winchester...the older ones without all the stuff to protect me. Over the Visor rack in a old 70's Bronco...well it works...it just flat works...they both do. Don't see why it wouldn't in a .351 newer model...BTDT as well.

The Marlins were in the Mercedes and Lexus SUVs...they ain't from around these parts...:p Kidding - folks out of town let us rib them good about that.
 
Before you change out the short stock, shoot with it in the field - not off the bench. You may find that, while a longer stock feels good on the bench and in the store, a shorter stock is far more friendly in the field. For more details on this line of thought, see Jeff Cooper's "Art of the Rifle."

Before I took my 270 class, I prefered longer stocks. The class really illustrated the usefulness of the shorter stock.
 
This whole discussion reminds me...

I've wondered if anyone has ever mounted a short rifle or shotgun on their ceiling. This seems perfect, quick to grab, fairly low profile, especially in a sedan or coupe.
Probably wouldn't work so great in a Bronco with a 4" lift and swampers...


Also, is this considered a concealed firearm? I know certain places long guns aren't considered concealable, hence pistols are called "concealable firearms". So I'm sure results may vary.

Any takes from an experiential and/or legal standpoint?

P.S. I don't think anyone mentioned the Bushmaster M17. 16" barrel, bullpup system, .223. I don't know if it uses the standard AR system which you love so well George, but figured I'd mention it. Last I checked they can be found used for about $650.

I know, I know, .223 is kinda light especially shooting past 100 yards on a 16" barrel.
 
MolonLabe416 - You make a good point about the length.

A guess a .44 Mag would be cool - IF it had the stock swapped.

http://no-treason.com/laissezfirearm/bushm17s.htm
The BM M17?
No... no thanks. I'd be interested in an AR-10 configured as such... but .223 isn't what I am wanting for this gun.

BUT

I am in the worlds BEST Prairy Dog country... So a poodle shooter would be put to some good use out here... probably almost every day. I've run over 1 of them already this year. But I am thinking about a Ruger 10-22 type rifle in .17HMR for this with a nice big scope.

The legality of roof mounting... I'm not sure. It's still "plain sight" in my opinion.
I'm also going to build a riser in the rear cargo area to raise the floor and give me about a 6 inch lockable storage compartment there.
I am going to totally redo the interior of this rig, so such a box can be built to blend in and unless you were a Bronco guy, you wouldn't notice anything until you dropped the back gate.

Oh, and I looked at the .357 version Marlin... and that is a SWEET little rifle. Very handy and light. Would make a great rifle for this purpose... but I want more power.
 
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