I’m deciding a new rifle caliber… any thoughts?

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Main thing is to figure out the action length.

The main thing to figure out is the performance demand of the application. THAT decision will dictate action length needed to achieve the goal. We can try to shoehorn performance into short actions if we want, but it always comes with concessions which are typically contraindicated for performance.

800yrd shooting on elk is the application, even as an experienced long range shooter and hunter, there’s not a chance I’m planning to spend my future doing that without a magnum cartridge, and I’m making my life easy with long action 30’s.

My personal answer to the 800yrd elk and Bruin question is 300wm and 300PRC. My wife has a 7rm for the same task, 3lbs lighter than my rifle, but her range capacity is also shorter.
 
Absolutely agree. The Tikka is a very nice gun. I’m still considering one. I do like the Bergara for a couple of its features. I’m also planning a Leupold(probably a 4x12,definitely CDS) scope.
I love the Tikka. Great gun for the money but nothing wrong with a Bergara.
I will modify my response that any chambering will work if you're seriously considering taking shots on elk past 500 yards. That basically mandates a magnum of some flavor to maintain at least 1,500 ft. lbs.
 
I've had 7mm Rem mag, 300WM, 300WSM, 30-06, 280 and several others. Sold 'em all except for one 30-06 with too much history to sell and use 308 and 6.5CM now for everything. The 6.5CM lives up to the hype, but my go-to rifles are all in 308. Not because I think the round is any better, I just like the rifles I have in 308 better.

Either of those 2, will kill deer or elk past 500 yards. As will many other rounds such as 7-08, 270, 7X57. It is really more personal preference than anything else. The long action cartridges like 30-06, 270, and 280 offer only marginal gains over similar short action rounds like 6.5CM, 260, 7-08 or 308.

Your 308 is cheaper to shoot, ammo will cost less and if you handload you'll be able to use less powder. I use 58-62 gr of powder for every 30-06 cartridge I load. 40-46 gr of powder for every 6.5CM or 308 round I load. I get less recoil and better accuracy. And in the real world no animal will know the difference between any of them.

If you're going to move up to something bigger one of the 26, 28, or 30 caliber magnums is really the next step. I'd skip right over the 30-06 class of cartridges. At under 500 yards no animal will notice. The magnums only offer an advantage at 600+ yards.

Once again it is personal preference. The 7 mag is probably the smallest step up in performance, but the most commonly available. Recoil isn't that bad. Virtually the same as 30-06. As is performance. The 30-06 and 7 mag shoot the same bullet weights to the same speed. The only advantage 7 mag has over 30-06 is better aerodynamics of bullets in the same weight. I'd go to one of the 300's if I were moving up over 308.

But...most of the 30 caliber magnums will give roughly double the recoil of your 308 depending on the exact load. And use almost twice as much powder if you handload. Be honest with yourself. The rifle you have is good for at least 500 yards on anything you'll hunt, and will work for targets to around 1000 yards. Can you really shoot well enough to hit game farther away. And how many opportunities will you have to do it.

Consider what is actually on stores shelves right now. The rifle does you no good if you can't find ammo or components. Or if you can't afford them. Some of those cartridges are selling for $100-$150 for a box of 20 rounds.

That's what I did when I settled on 308. I have several rifles set up for different purposes. One has a short 18" barrel and a low powered scope for woods hunting. One is a heavy barreled rifle with a more powerful scope for long range use and a couple of others somewhere in the middle for general purpose hunting.
 
What is the advantage of the 300PRC over the 300WM? Look like similar velocities and charge weights. Is it the short neck on 300WM or some other case design consideration?

The PRC is what the WM always should have been. Longer neck, case capacity commensurate with its major diameter, easier tuning, higher velocity (and the PRC does easily outrun the WM), longer standard throats, no consideration for belt vs. shoulder position…

When we’re employing a magnum cartridge to do killing of true big game at long range, we benefit from using commensurately heavy bullets with sufficient aerodynamics to retain high impact velocity and cut through wind and distance.

The 300wm is a close second place, but with the exception of market availability, there’s never an aspect of the race for which the 300wm exceeds the PRC.
 
What is the advantage of the 300PRC over the 300WM? Look like similar velocities and charge weights. Is it the short neck on 300WM or some other case design consideration?
If you have access to podcasts, the Hornady podcast just put out an episode where they talk about just this question. Or they talk about the 300 PRC anyway.
 
I've had 7mm Rem mag, 300WM, 300WSM, 30-06, 280 and several others. Sold 'em all except for one 30-06 with too much history to sell and use 308 and 6.5CM now for everything. The 6.5CM lives up to the hype, but my go-to rifles are all in 308. Not because I think the round is any better, I just like the rifles I have in 308 better.

Either of those 2, will kill deer or elk past 500 yards. As will many other rounds such as 7-08, 270, 7X57. It is really more personal preference than anything else. The long action cartridges like 30-06, 270, and 280 offer only marginal gains over similar short action rounds like 6.5CM, 260, 7-08 or 308.

Your 308 is cheaper to shoot, ammo will cost less and if you handload you'll be able to use less powder. I use 58-62 gr of powder for every 30-06 cartridge I load. 40-46 gr of powder for every 6.5CM or 308 round I load. I get less recoil and better accuracy. And in the real world no animal will know the difference between any of them.

If you're going to move up to something bigger one of the 26, 28, or 30 caliber magnums is really the next step. I'd skip right over the 30-06 class of cartridges. At under 500 yards no animal will notice. The magnums only offer an advantage at 600+ yards.

Once again it is personal preference. The 7 mag is probably the smallest step up in performance, but the most commonly available. Recoil isn't that bad. Virtually the same as 30-06. As is performance. The 30-06 and 7 mag shoot the same bullet weights to the same speed. The only advantage 7 mag has over 30-06 is better aerodynamics of bullets in the same weight. I'd go to one of the 300's if I were moving up over 308.

But...most of the 30 caliber magnums will give roughly double the recoil of your 308 depending on the exact load. And use almost twice as much powder if you handload. Be honest with yourself. The rifle you have is good for at least 500 yards on anything you'll hunt, and will work for targets to around 1000 yards. Can you really shoot well enough to hit game farther away. And how many opportunities will you have to do it.

Consider what is actually on stores shelves right now. The rifle does you no good if you can't find ammo or components. Or if you can't afford them. Some of those cartridges are selling for $100-$150 for a box of 20 rounds.

That's what I did when I settled on 308. I have several rifles set up for different purposes. One has a short 18" barrel and a low powered scope for woods hunting. One is a heavy barreled rifle with a more powerful scope for long range use and a couple of others somewhere in the middle for general purpose hunting.
I’ve definitely knocked over my share of critters with a 308. I’m just kind of after something that is a little bit bigger. I’m really starting to lean towards a seven MM, just because of the availability of brass etc.
 
If I've got, or knew for sure I could quickly secure the brass and reloading components, I'd go 300prc. Otherwise, the availability of 300wm and 7mm puts them in favor. Personally I'd choose 300wm over 7mm if I know I'm taking 800yd shots. A .308 hole in the critter vs a .276 hole doesn't sound like much difference, but it may make a difference in a blood trail.
 
If I've got, or knew for sure I could quickly secure the brass and reloading components, I'd go 300prc. Otherwise, the availability of 300wm and 7mm puts them in favor. Personally I'd choose 300wm over 7mm if I know I'm taking 800yd shots. A .308 hole in the critter vs a .276 hole doesn't sound like much difference, but it may make a difference in a blood trail.
It’s .284. Lol. But I know what you mean.
 
Nobody has any business shooting 800 yards at a game animal, even from a bench rest.

As was noted above, a given weight of bullet going a given speed will do the same job, no matter what cartridge propelled it.

So I would not go with any chambering for which ammunition or cases are not very likely to be available 10 years from now. I have never had an animal refuse to die quickly after being touched by a bullet from my 7x57 or .30-06. For that matter, there have been a lot of woodchucks and crows that gave up the ghost after attention from my .222. Not one of them insisted I should have used a .223 or 25-06.
 
It’s .284. Lol. But I know what you mean.
Pardon my error, yep, 7mm rem mag is .284.
I wouldn't make this a recommendation cause it's more obscure than any others mentioned, but I've kinda got a hankering to try the 6.5-300 Weatherby. Not sure it would be good for Elk either, but I'm gonna try it on deer some day.:cool:
 
Nobody has any business shooting 800 yards at a game animal, even from a bench rest.

Don’t project your own limitations onto others.

I would not go with any chambering for which ammunition or cases are not very likely to be available 10 years from now.

When a guy can buy 25-20 brass online and have it drop shipped to their front door within two days, there’s no sense in pretending 300 or 6.5 PRC will present any problem for sourcing brass only 10 short years from now. Both have been incredibly successful in the market, no reason to pretend they’re niche options which can’t be sourced in the future.

And even if either DID evaporate in some future, $600 replaces a barrel to whatever other Magnum option makes more sense in this imaginary future market.
 
Being an unreasonable 7mm Rem Mag fan, and rarely shooting stuff over a couple hundred pounds....id do that.
I would opt for a 1-8twist, and a 26" barrel throated to take 180s way out.

Where the .300s excell is with bullets in the 200+gr range. Rarely do i need that kinda penetration.

My current/next hunting project is going to be a .264WM, as I am in the process of selling my last one, which is also a solid long range performer, and can be made easily from 7mm brass.
 
I’ve not had any experience with the .284. I’ve heard the tales of it liking to ear barrels for lunch, much like the tales of the weatherby mags. That said, I can’t remember the last time I saw any ammo or brass for one….
Plenty of brass available for the original .284 Win these days. Lapua even started making native .284 Win brass. That tells me the cartridge has finally arrived and getting the recognition it's due. When used in a long action, the .284 Win is very much like a "7mm Creedmoor" in shape and in function.

I'll choose the .284 Win over the 6.5 PRC for the same reasons I choose the 7mm-08 over the 6.5 CM
 
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Of those two definitely the 7 MM mag, Flat shooting more accurate in general and more power. The .270 would work many like it. I chose a Tikka in 7-08 and really like it.
 
Main thing is to figure out the action length. From there you weigh out the trade offs for a final decision. I tend to land 1 notch down from parent cartridge as I prefer speed and trajectory over weight. 270 rather than 06. 7-08 instead of 308. It’s easy to go too far down that road and end up with barrel burners. For deer I like 270 with 130gr. For elk I think I would go to a magnum action and as much as I hate the caliber due to eastern deer woods noise I think I would be on a 7 mag.
I chose a 7-08 but not for the flatter faster myth. In the same grain bullet there is little difference out to 400 yards. Look at a ballistics chart. I wanted less recoil than the 7 MM mag. I would have liked a 308 as well but the slightly less recoil of the 7-08 makes it perfect for me.
 
Shooting at an animal at 800 yards is NOT about the shooter or their limitations, it’s about ethical hunting and fair chase, in conjunction with all the things that can go wrong from muzzle to mammal.

I’m sure we’ll hear about all the folks who killed critters at long distances, but the reality is few who do really understand winds, ballistics, or actual drops and drifts since few actually shoot that far regularly.

And what about the animal taking a step between the time the trigger is pulled and the bullet arrives on target? A clean miss would be best case, a gut shot would be worse case. And at 800 yards, how long will it take the shooter to get to the animal?

Want to hear a good discussion on the topic, check out the discussion between Tom Grisham and Ryan Cleckner below:

https://guntalk.libsyn.com/long-range-shooting-gun-talk-radio-022722-hour-1
 
I edited the original version of the post… 800yds IF you wanna take it. If someone is capable and can shoot that well, fine. But if there is a string of wounded animals, or even one, don’t feel bad if I take the proverbial hickory switch to them(JK). No I’d probably call them some choice names and try to expel em from hunting somewhere I did. I’ve hunted with plenty that took animals at long distances with no issues. But they were very choosy when they took those shots.
 
My "deer and maybe elk" rifle is a Winchester model 70 Coyote in 270 WSM. Good bullet weight at a high velocity and flat shooting.

7x57 or 280 AI would be my second choices.
I’m a true believer in the 270 wsm , I want to say the son in law runs 58.6 gr of H4831 short cut behind a 140 Accubond at close to 3k fps , very accurate rifle
 
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